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New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 4:05:15 PM
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danmirage
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First it is important to know that over 300 papers demonstrate a whole slew of benefits in creatine research.
The form of creatine used in research is bascially Creatine Monohydrate.
Pure Creatine Monohydrate would be preferable to ANY other form as it is effective and known to be safe.
CEE or Creatine Ethyl Ester has NO research to show its safety adn even some research that brings it's safety into question. The Ethyl Ester is an alcohol! There is prelminary evidence that CEE may become a toxin...
The general rule is if it may be unsafe..don't use it. Especially when there is something that WORKS and is proven SAFE. Even when looking at kidney, liver and other functions.
Creatine may soon be considered an essential nutrient instead of a supplement!
Endurance athletes use carbs for energy.
Strength athletes use creatine (the phosphate energy system)
Take creatine away and people lose function, put it back and function improves...looks essential.
Creatine is a nutrient.
New published research points out that taking Pure Creatine Mono 1-hour prior to resistance training may have additional benefits! It takes an hour to peak in the blood and the force of blood flowing to the muscles delivers it where it is most desired.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 4:26:30 PM
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Anytime a vitamin or supplement is esterfied it's always better for better delivery.
Here is an example....
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Use this?
 Or this? LOL It's a matter of are you willing to spend a little more for good products.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 5:11:46 PM
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danmirage
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Anytime a vitamin or supplement is esterfied it's always better for better delivery.
Sorry J..but there is NO proof..only some very expensive advertising.
Esterified Vitamin-C is created by having the Vit-C react with a mineral such as calcium, magnesium, potassium, or sodium...resulting in a non-acidic form.
Ethyl Esterified Creatine is using Ethyl Alcohol...research to test it's safety has brought up some troubling questions about its safety. Additionally these forms tend to deliver much lower doseages of Creatine than are found effective...
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 5:50:47 PM
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Xceed appears to be a nicely formulated supplement.
The CEE simply delivers the creatine in a different form, that is then seperated to liberate the Creatine.. I am uncertain about the amount of Creatine actually delivered from 3G of CEE HCl...and only one as yet unpublished peice of research has reached me about it.
It tested CEE delivering 5 grams of Creatine vs. 5 Grams of Monohydrate...the results (lean body mass, body fat, bone mass) for both were the same however there was some puzzling blood work in the CEE subjects, leading them to test for toxin metabolites...which has not yet been completed.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 6:37:57 PM
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Xceed appears to be a nicely formulated supplement.
The CEE simply delivers the creatine in a different form, that is then seperated to liberate the Creatine.. I am uncertain about the amount of Creatine actually delivered from 3G of CEE HCl...and only one as yet unpublished peice of research has reached me about it.
It tested CEE delivering 5 grams of Creatine vs. 5 Grams of Monohydrate...the results (lean body mass, body fat, bone mass) for both were the same however there was some puzzling blood work in the CEE subjects, leading them to test for toxin metabolites...which has not yet been completed.
Once CEE is de-esterfied, ~16% by MW is Ethyl Alcohol (saponification). I could be wrong on this.
Also, I believe John Berardi wrote and article on how CEE could be toxic in the body to organs. I'll try to dig it up later.
Once again, I'm only a rep so I'm sure R&D knows what they are doing.
I'd like to see the study dan...
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 6:41:15 PM
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i saw that article by john berardi on bodybuilding.com's forums
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 6:50:39 PM
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i saw that article by john berardi on bodybuilding.com's forums
Can you please link us?
I can't seem to find it.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 7:13:24 PM
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I wonder what the DS reps have to say about the topic? I'm sure they can bring some thing to the table here considering they're manufacturing the stuff.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 7:27:36 PM
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theyll bring a biased opinion since the only creatine they sell is cee
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 7:29:15 PM
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what about tri/di-creatine malates which have been bonded to malic acid. wouldnt this be better than esterified creatines due to the fact that malic acid plays a huge role in the krebs cycle?
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 7:36:17 PM
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MuZI
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theyll bring a biased opinion since the only creatine they sell is cee
There could be something we're missing.
DS knows their science.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 7:43:09 PM
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theyll bring a biased opinion since the only creatine they sell is cee
Everything's biased in the supplement industry. They still have a right to defend their point of view on the subject.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 8:34:39 PM
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Companies are adding EE to everthing BCAA-EE, Arginine-EE,Ornithine Ethyl Ester.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/8/2006 9:10:36 PM
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Avaric3
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i couldnt care less about absorption, i care about putting poison into my body!
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/11/2006 2:09:47 PM
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danmirage
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quote:
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Xceed appears to be a nicely formulated supplement.
The CEE simply delivers the creatine in a different form, that is then seperated to liberate the Creatine.. I am uncertain about the amount of Creatine actually delivered from 3G of CEE HCl...and only one as yet unpublished peice of research has reached me about it.
It tested CEE delivering 5 grams of Creatine vs. 5 Grams of Monohydrate...the results (lean body mass, body fat, bone mass) for both were the same however there was some puzzling blood work in the CEE subjects, leading them to test for toxin metabolites...which has not yet been completed.
Once CEE is de-esterfied, ~16% by MW is Ethyl Alcohol (saponification). I could be wrong on this.
Also, I believe John Berardi wrote and article on how CEE could be toxic in the body to organs. I'll try to dig it up later.
Once again, I'm only a rep so I'm sure R&D knows what they are doing.
I'd like to see the study dan...
Done by The Ohio Research Group of Exercise Science and Sports Nutrition but still not published
HOWEVER here is one of the researchers and you can hear him talk about it in an interview here...
Tim Ziegenfuss, Ph.D. (the Chief Executive Officer of The Ohio Research Group of Exercise Science and Sports Nutrition..etc) starting at about 16 minutes going to 22 minutes...
http://www.performancenutritionshow.com/pastshows/06_0705.html
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