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Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/15/2006 10:49:12 PM

Gardon

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Ok, so I've done martial arts for a long time now. However, my technique is at the point where no matter how many times I drill it, I won't necessarily get any better without strength. So my goal now is to achieve greater strength.

So I started looking into power-lifting. High weight for low reps, thrice a week. However, I don't know if it's working, and certainly cant' tell if I'm getting any stronger.

But one thing about power lifting is that when I'm done, I don't feel tired or stressed. I'm 17 years old, 5'8 and about 140 pounds. I can bench 185 max (and I've never lifted weights before in my life, so this is my first training program), and usually train with 165 pounds, maybe 5 reps at a time.

But what really gets me is that I can't push up more than 185, so it's not like I"m really straining to get better. I feel as though I could lift my 165 routine all day, every day, and still be fine (not sore or anything).

Is this normal, or do I just have a fast recovery period?

thanks,

Jason

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/16/2006 6:17:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gardon

Ok, so I've done martial arts for a long time now. However, my technique is at the point where no matter how many times I drill it, I won't necessarily get any better without strength. So my goal now is to achieve greater strength.

So I started looking into power-lifting. High weight for low reps, thrice a week. However, I don't know if it's working, and certainly cant' tell if I'm getting any stronger.

But one thing about power lifting is that when I'm done, I don't feel tired or stressed. I'm 17 years old, 5'8 and about 140 pounds. I can bench 185 max (and I've never lifted weights before in my life, so this is my first training program), and usually train with 165 pounds, maybe 5 reps at a time.

But what really gets me is that I can't push up more than 185, so it's not like I"m really straining to get better. I feel as though I could lift my 165 routine all day, every day, and still be fine (not sore or anything).

Is this normal, or do I just have a fast recovery period?

thanks,

Jason

Gardon:

Sometimes your going to need to drop the weight a little and work your way back up when your stuck.

Towards having strength and getting stronger, are you resting enough throughout the week, is your split consists of 2-3days, are you eating enough?

Well towards the routine if you want to get stronger you should rely on 5x5/4x6, its good for strength as well as packing on size.

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Begginers_Natural_Bodybuilding/m_120872/tm.htm
Take a look at that bud.

Hope that help

Goodluck with training!

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/16/2006 6:50:50 AM

Gardon

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Thanks dude.

I did have another question though. Whenever I'm done with working out (no matter what I do), I feel tired and can't lift anymore weights at the moment. But within a little while I feel as though I can go right back to the weights again. But I don't understand it because it's not like I"m undertraining or not pushing myself. Is this normal, or do I recover faster than others?

I'm gonna check out that link now,

thanks,

Jason

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/16/2006 8:00:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gardon

Thanks dude.

I did have another question though. Whenever I'm done with working out (no matter what I do), I feel tired and can't lift anymore weights at the moment. But within a little while I feel as though I can go right back to the weights again. But I don't understand it because it's not like I"m undertraining or not pushing myself. Is this normal, or do I recover faster than others?

I'm gonna check out that link now,

thanks,

Jason

Jason:

How long are you resting between sets? when getting stronger or packing on size, you should rest between 2-5 mins, you should as well be mentally and physically ready doing your next set.

Also naturally I would consider normal after working hard on set which say you did 300lbs of 5 reps of squat first attempt( you never did that weight before)and nearly depleted and planned to keeping that same weight same rep and you were able to pull of that again after 4-5 mins but if it took you less than a minute to recover after being nearly drain all out of your energy from your first attempt of that weight then yes I would think of something else.

Hope this help

Goodluck with training bud!

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/16/2006 10:20:38 AM

Gardon

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So after powerlifting you're not really supposed to feel tired? You said 4-5 minutes, as in you can recover that fast, which is cool.
Sorry I just want to clarify what I'm hearing so I can better my training. So if I do 5 x 5 (5 sets of 5 reps) for each exercise, and I don't feel really tired/strained even with 4-5 minute rests in between, that is normal?

Thanks again, you've really helped me thusfar.

Jason

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/16/2006 12:15:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gardon

So after powerlifting you're not really supposed to feel tired? You said 4-5 minutes, as in you can recover that fast, which is cool.
Sorry I just want to clarify what I'm hearing so I can better my training. So if I do 5 x 5 (5 sets of 5 reps) for each exercise, and I don't feel really tired/strained even with 4-5 minute rests in between, that is normal?

Thanks again, you've really helped me thusfar.

Jason

Jason : it depends of the working weight. And how much experience you have with it. I'm sure if as you keep adding weights every week your going to feel tired because you simply have to work hard to complete the sets and reps of weight you've never experience.

If you don't get tired then either your not working hard or the weight is very light.

hope this helps.

Goodluckwith training bud!

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/16/2006 12:46:21 PM

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Sounds like you need to bring yourself to failure on every set.

Also for training for martial arts you might want to do some explosive benching, explosive squatting, etc.

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/17/2006 1:50:57 PM

Gardon

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Kool, thanks again guys :P

Good luck with everything,

Jason

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/18/2006 10:33:06 AM

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Gardon,

You mentioned that you performed martial arts, and wanted to gain strength. I presume this then means you wish to gain strength, but remain lean?

If you wish to remain lean (therefore flexible, and agile) while gaining strength ... then a different work-out schedule is more appropriate than what has been suggested above.

The above mentioned, is for gaining size as well as strength; however if you wish to add tone, while improving your strength for martial art purposes... (without the unneccessary bulk, which actually restricts mobility in your line of athlete/sport), you may wish looking at an alternative.

Before I post that though; are you looking for size gains along with strength gains? ... or tone/lean muscle mass, with strength gains?

Regards,
Nicolas.

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RE: Need dramatic increases in strength - 4/27/2006 8:56:15 PM

Gardon

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Sorry about the delayed post.. I haven't been home for a while.

No, I do not wish to become a bodybuilder with huge muscles. I want to stay agile and lean, just as you said. but define lean. Is lean like a normal person (skinny), or is it toned like Bruce lee?

I guess when I think of lean and strong I think of Lee and what he looked like. Granted, looks aren't everything, and I certainly would want to get stronger before looking better, so which path do I take?

I"ve also never lifted before, and I have a weight bench at home. I don't know if there's stuff I can do at home, or is training hard for martial arts something you need a membership to a gym for?

Thanks,

Jason

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