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Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Friday, August 01, 2008 10:02 PM ( #1 )
So ive been doing excersize and eating healthy.. Ive lost around 15lbs. in 2 months but its time to get cut i guess.. soo maybe you guys could give me advice what to do ? Any cut workouts out there?
 
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Friday, August 01, 2008 10:07 PM ( #2 )

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So ive been doing excersize and eating healthy.. Ive lost around 15lbs. in 2 months but its time to get cut i guess.. soo maybe you guys could give me advice what to do ? Any cut workouts out there?

Stats/ Height 5'11 weight 205




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no.

diet, yes.

post your current diet and be as specific as you can. that's the most important thing. 

what you eat, what time you eat, etc etc.  and tell us EVERYTHING or we  can't help you
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Friday, August 01, 2008 10:15 PM ( #3 )
o ya i knew i was forgetting something so here it is..
 
 
 
6:00 wake up and jog for 30 mins (mon-fri)
7:00 eat breakfest      oatmeal with water or 2 egg whites
~9:00 eat a fruit mostly 1 apple or 1 banana
12:00 eat chiken or fish with a soup mostly veggie soup
3:00 eat some nuts ex. almonds or a trail mix
6:00 eat chiken
7:00 go to the gym (mon-fri)
 
 
 
mmm hope that helps =)
 
 
 
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Friday, August 01, 2008 10:26 PM ( #4 )

ORIGINAL: roger72

o ya i knew i was forgetting something so here it is..



6:00 wake up and jog for 30 mins (mon-fri)
7:00 eat breakfest      oatmeal with water or 2 egg whites
~9:00 eat a fruit mostly 1 apple or 1 banana
12:00 eat chiken or fish with a soup mostly veggie soup
3:00 eat some nuts ex. almonds or a trail mix
6:00 eat chiken
7:00 go to the gym (mon-fri)



mmm hope that helps =)





don't eat the instant oatmeal  crap. 
you have basically no veggies
you're  not eating anything after you workout- that's the most important time

you gotta have more in your meals.  you need more protein.  you're barely eating any food..
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Friday, August 01, 2008 10:35 PM ( #5 )
ya i was eating the instant oatmeal .. mm would you happen to know of any gym workouts that could help me.. i was gonna start the max ot workout but a friend told me thats more for bulking . thanks boomer  =)
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:58 AM ( #6 )
Any real weight training will do. Try some splits like Chest/tri, back/bi, etc. Or maybe even a full body routine. In order to look cut you need to have decent muscle definition under the fat, so when you cut you have something to see, otherwise you'll be unhappy(well not completely unhappy, but you know what I mean :D)...

Yea, you do need more food, a LOT more.

Some of your meals aren't complete. Like a banana or a piece of fruit doesn't really work. Eat some real oatmeal, get some quaker or some generic brand, definitely not the instant individually packaged ones.

6:00 wake up and jog for 30 mins (mon-fri)
6:30 Whey protein shake
7:00 eat breakfest REAL oatmeal+2-5g egg whites(have 1 yolk or so)
~9:00 eat some almonds, cottage cheese, something that has some better nutritional value and less sugar and more protein!
12:00 Eat some chicken, fish, steak with some veggies and brown rice. Forget the soup, they usually have a LOT of sodium and don't exactly have what you need.
3:00 protein bar, shake, chicken/rice/veggies, any would work.
6:00 maybe a whole wheat sandwich(with turkey, chicken, something with a good amount of protein, avoid processed meats), with veggies, lay off the salt and condiments. 
7:00 go to the gym (mon-fri)
8-9 whey shake
~after you get home - Another meal with sufficient protein, carbs and fats
Before bed - cottage cheese or a casein shake.
Oh and feel free to ADD PEANUT BUTTER to any of those meals(That one is for Brihead) LOL :) <3 PB

You basically wan't a meal to consist of a lean protein(chicken, fish, steak, etc.)complex carb(rice, potatoes, bread) and a fibrous carb(mainly veggies). So, check out the nutrition sections for alternative meals.

I know it sounds like a LOT to take in and it sounds impossible. But its not, it's just like working out. Once you get in the flow, it will seem like nothing. It will be regular to you and you'll feel bad for not doing what you need to.

I hope this helps. Happy training/eating!

Good luck!
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:31 AM ( #7 )
maybe some bcaa's before the jog? and just make sure you get the whey within 45 minutes of your workout ending.
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:41 AM ( #8 )
thanks guys i appriciate it
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:51 AM ( #9 )
Dude we have somewhat of the same physique....I am 188lbs after this summer and I started at 202.   I carried all my weight in my trunk area.  Listen to these guys, there advice is priceless......Boomer is the man because he helps the beginners a lot with diet.  It has helped me a lot.  But give it time and when the fat starts to go....It really peels off if you listen to these guys diet stratagies.
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:39 PM ( #10 )
the thing you have to understand is that you don't need to be concentrating on workouts that will help you. i know you're new and probably don't know this. 

you need to do cardio to create a calorie defecit.  you need to make a diet that doesn't have too many carbs.  you need a diet with fats and protein and carbs, basically everything.  but you need to count your calories
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:55 PM ( #11 )
does anybody else think that cardio on an empty stomach is a horrible idea?
 
eat before cardio! cardio on an empty stomach will burn muscle along with fat
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:58 PM ( #12 )

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does anybody else think that cardio on an empty stomach is a horrible idea?

eat before cardio! cardio on an empty stomach will burn muscle along with fat


the best time to do cardio is  when you wake up without anything in your stomach
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:57 PM ( #13 )

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does anybody else think that cardio on an empty stomach is a horrible idea?

eat before cardio! cardio on an empty stomach will burn muscle along with fat


the best time to do cardio is  when you wake up without anything in your stomach


Agreed. Why would you want to waste time burning off your glycogen stores when you could go straight to the fat? A lot of people on this board seem to have a huge phobia about burning muscle away. I just don't see it. I lost almost 50 lbs. this year and if I lost in muscle it was very minimal b/c I have gotten stronger in the process. When I was doing a lot of cardio I was always trying to do it on an empty stomach or at least after I lifted weights first. Pop some BCAA's and you'll be fine. It's not like any of us are running 10+ miles on an empty stomach.
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:14 AM ( #14 )
mmmm what is this BCAA'S you guys are talking about?  ya iam jogging on an empty stomach and very cold water
 
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:42 AM ( #15 )

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ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331


ORIGINAL: Daniel265

does anybody else think that cardio on an empty stomach is a horrible idea?

eat before cardio! cardio on an empty stomach will burn muscle along with fat


the best time to do cardio is  when you wake up without anything in your stomach


Agreed. Why would you want to waste time burning off your glycogen stores when you could go straight to the fat? A lot of people on this board seem to have a huge phobia about burning muscle away. I just don't see it. I lost almost 50 lbs. this year and if I lost in muscle it was very minimal b/c I have gotten stronger in the process. When I was doing a lot of cardio I was always trying to do it on an empty stomach or at least after I lifted weights first. Pop some BCAA's and you'll be fine. It's not like any of us are running 10+ miles on an empty stomach.

 
i normally agree with everything u say boomer but i strongly disagree on this topic.
 
heres an article on the subject http://exercise.about.com/od/weightloss/f/emptystomach.htm
 
and bcaa's are a supplement just like anything else that can help with muscle synthesis and reduce the breakdown of muscle
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:50 PM ( #16 )

ORIGINAL: Daniel265


ORIGINAL: MDClifter


ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331


ORIGINAL: Daniel265

does anybody else think that cardio on an empty stomach is a horrible idea?

eat before cardio! cardio on an empty stomach will burn muscle along with fat


the best time to do cardio is  when you wake up without anything in your stomach


Agreed. Why would you want to waste time burning off your glycogen stores when you could go straight to the fat? A lot of people on this board seem to have a huge phobia about burning muscle away. I just don't see it. I lost almost 50 lbs. this year and if I lost in muscle it was very minimal b/c I have gotten stronger in the process. When I was doing a lot of cardio I was always trying to do it on an empty stomach or at least after I lifted weights first. Pop some BCAA's and you'll be fine. It's not like any of us are running 10+ miles on an empty stomach.


i normally agree with everything u say boomer but i strongly disagree on this topic.

heres an article on the subject http://exercise.about.com/od/weightloss/f/emptystomach.htm

and bcaa's are a supplement just like anything else that can help with muscle synthesis and reduce the breakdown of muscle


a few things about that article:

1.  She's on the "you burn muscle by doing cardio at any time" train.  That should raise a red flag that she doesn't fully understand what she's talking about.

2. She says "It can help you sustain longer, more intense workout" (about eating a preworkout snack)  Why would you want longer workouts?  It's best to limit your average training workout time to 40-60 minutes.  The body's natural growth related hormones are released during your first hour of intense training.  Following that the growth hormones decrease and the breakdown hormones (catabolic hormones) increase.  So why would you want to have longer workouts?

3.  She's for high blood sugar.  A high blood sugar will cause an insulin increase, and the insulin receptors on your cells will take swallow those up, and keep jamming them in the cells (causing you to get fat)

4.  ****One of the biggest things i hate about reading this article is she says "it can make your workouts more enjoyable".  I don't go to the gym to enjoy a workout.  I go to the gym to work my ass off and get huge.  If it's not hurtin, it's not workin.

not trying to start anything with you man, i'm cool with you.  I just don't think this lady is 100% sure of what she's talking about.
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RE: Need Advice/ Need help to get cut. - Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:55 PM ( #17 )
dont worry boomer i know ur not trying to start anything with me.
 
there is a difference between a debate (which is what we are having) and an argument which is what deadly liked to do around here.
 
and u brought up some really good points, i also agree that u do have to take bias into account with this article. thanks for debating!
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