NROL vs. Rippetoe

http://strengthmill.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36
 
You can also go on here, and talk to Rippetoe himself if you have any questions.  There's links to his books there too.  Also there's TONS of squat critique videos on there in a sticky up top, so you can see what a good squat is supposed to look like.

Squats are better than steroids

ORIGINAL: brihead301

http://strengthmill.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36

You can also go on here, and talk to Rippetoe himself if you have any questions. There's links to his books there too. Also there's TONS of squat critique videos on there in a sticky up top, so you can see what a good squat is supposed to look like.

ִJust don't ask questions if you haven't read the books.

Good call Coldfire.
 
Everything you need to know is in the books, or has already been answered before on the forum, which you can search for.

Squats are better than steroids

great post and conversation bri.  Rippetoe doesn't get the respect he deserves forsure.  I would love to lift at his gym.
 
on a side note, i am looking forward to learning powercleans after HST is over.

No the leg press is not the same as doing squats.

Well, I did the NROL plan for about 2 weeks a few months back.  Having started Rippetoe's program this past week, I remember why I gave up on the NROL program.  Plain and simple, if you're used to giving muscle groups thier own day (as I am), full body compound exercise only routines will kick your ass!  

As an example, my back day was always scheduled for the first day of the week, having come off my weekend rest.  The first exercise I did was wide-grip pull-ups.  On my own routine, a typical day of pull-ups would be: 2x10, 2x8, 2x6.  Last night, when I got to the time for 2X as many as I could do on the pull ups, I did: 1x8 and 1x5!   Holy cow, I was spent already!  I had the same experience on the bench press, where I had lowered my weight by 30 lbs from the previous week, and still BARELY managed to get out my 3x5! 

That being said, I can understand how this program would lead to greater over-all strength, as the program is more taxing on the body as a whole.  However, I can't see how it will lead to greater size, as the muscles just don't seem to be getting hit as hard.  How will my lats grow with those two measly sets, compared to the 6-9 sets that I usually do?  (I'm not arguing, just asking / trying to understand.) 

Anyway, to anyone else thinking of starting the program, I read Brihead301's post in another thread where he stressed to start conservatively.  I don't know if there is any way to stress that enough.  I thought I was being conservative, but after a couple of workouts like this my ass was kicked and I gotta wonder how I'm going to do it again next week!  My only saving grace is that next week will be a screwed up work schedule, so I'll probably only get in two workouts like I did this week (because I started this half way though the week).  

Cool post brihead...

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Thanks fellas. 
 
Like I said, both programs are GREAT.  I think the most important thing is to stick to a program for a long time if you really want to reap the full benefits of it.  I did NROL for about 10 months, and I was very pleased.  I did Rip's program for about 3 now, and I'm shocked at how much more growth I was able to get after already having 10 solid months of NROL under my belt.  I plan on sticking this one out for a long time too.

Squats are better than steroids

I kind of followed Rippetoe, well actually I've made large modfications to it. I'm doing something of the following. However, in terms of reps/sets I don't follow it for every exercise. I did initially make good gains, however I'm slowing down, so I kind of switch my rep/sets around

Monday
Bench Press
Dips
Deadlifts

Wednesday
Chinups
Military Press
Leg press

Friday
Same as Monday

so on.....

I'm sorry vdk-au, but that is definately not the program I am talking about in the OP.   

Squats are better than steroids

ORIGINAL: brihead301
I'm sorry vdk-au, but that is definately not the program I am talking about in the OP.   

    Yeah, without the living Hell torture of squats EVERY SINGLE WORKOUT, it's not even close!