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NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/24/2006 8:27:07 PM
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keenan
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My friend started taking NO Explode and started getting bad stomach pains so he went to the doctor. The doctor says the stomach pains probably didn't come from the NO but something bad he ate. The doctor also looked at NO explode and said ya sure its good for you now but in a few years your liver will be rotted out and that you might aswell just do steroids if your gonna take NO. The doctor got very mad with my friend and insisted he should stop taking it immedietaly.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/24/2006 8:35:05 PM
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bighitbiker3
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Your doctor should go back to med school...He sucks at doctoring.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/24/2006 9:41:34 PM
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10-4 on that one
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/25/2006 1:25:15 AM
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i would kick that doctor in the face, military press him, and throw him out a window....lemme guess....he said that creatine is bad for you? go here and educate yourself so next time you can go in with your friend and tell the doctor the facts.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/25/2006 9:41:14 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: keenan
My friend started taking NO Explode and started getting bad stomach pains so he went to the doctor. The doctor says the stomach pains probably didn't come from the NO but something bad he ate. The doctor also looked at NO explode and said ya sure its good for you now but in a few years your liver will be rotted out and that you might aswell just do steroids if your gonna take NO. The doctor got very mad with my friend and insisted he should stop taking it immedietaly.
hey...as opposed to the other flame threads, id like to respond to you with a voice of reason as to make some sense out of this.
first off, the doctor said it would hurt his liver years down the road. As you can see, there is a plethora of creatine based studies to prove that with ample hydration, it is not harmful in the long/short term, and actually beneficial.
2nd of all, you stated that NO-xplode would "be as bad as steroids". Can you or your doctor tell me how bad steroids are? No...you can't. There has never been ONE long term study on steroid use. It has been shown that steroids(injectable) can have effects on good/bad cholesterol, yet they have no true effect on your liver. The only time you liver would come into play was if you were taking some sort of oral steroid/pro-hormone.
3rd...did you know the liver is the ONLY self-restoring organ? I dunno about anyone else, but if I was to mess up one organ(minus vestigal of course), itd be the liver as it has a better chance at healing itself than any other organ.
No this isnt saying steroids or suppliments are safe or dangerous, its saying be an intelligent individual, gather facts and info from ALL possible sources, then make your own informed decision.
on a side note...im getting REALLY tired of posts such as this. the human race is sheep for the most part and absolutely sickening.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/25/2006 9:44:52 AM
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ps...if you just trust your doctor without EVER getting info from other people, you are an ignorant misinformed person. Questioning authority is what keeps our country continually growing and expanding. If we always believed doctors/scientists, the world would still be flat and the sun revolving around us!!! Grow some brains and more importantly some balls and learn to stand up for what you're doing.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/25/2006 5:10:20 PM
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dacripplah
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if i get e.d or liver failure from no-xplode(although im 17 and i could probably take a baseball bat to my liver and it would repair itself) i hope u all realize i will come and break u in half lol
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/25/2006 8:21:34 PM
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VaughnTrue
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no...no u wont. ill still be bigger
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/25/2006 10:41:41 PM
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Did he follow the directions properly? Some people cant handle the caffeine or NO. I use No-X and have gotten great results it gets me jacked up seems like all day even after an intense workout.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 1:49:53 AM
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Hmm I think it's a given that steroids damage your liver. Don't ask me for an actual trial though...
But I see your point about lack of evidence and in the same way, there's no evidence NO does anything beyond being a vasculizer.
Acctually on another site the consensus was that NO is garbage and dangerous.
I have NO2 I'm waiting to use once I hit around 180 and start cutting, but that crap is expensie as hell. I doubt the cost to benefit ratio is justified but I'll see.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 2:12:42 AM
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unholyephraim
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine
That should clear up the creatine section. Now, also from wikipedia to clear up the NO probelm:
In the body, nitric oxide (the 'endothelium-derived relaxing factor', or 'EDRF') is synthesized from arginine and oxygen by various nitric oxide synthase (NOS) enzymes and by sequential reduction of inorganic nitrate. The endothelium (inner lining) of blood vessels use nitric oxide to signal the surrounding smooth muscle to relax, thus dilating the artery and increasing blood flow. Nitric oxide is a key biological messenger, playing a role in a variety of biological process. These include blood vessel dialatation, neurotransmission, modulation of the hair cycle, and penile erections. "Nitro" vasodialators such as nitroglyceric are converted to nitric oxide. Similarly, as the name implies, the vasodialating antihypertensive agent Minoxidil is a nitric oxide agonist. Nitric oxide also plays a role in the modulation of hair growth and hair loss. Thus, Minoxidil is also a hair growth stimulator.
Nitric oxide is also generated by macrophages as part of the human immune response. Nitric oxide is toxic to bacteria and other human pathogens. Many bacterial pathogens have evolved mechanisms for nitric oxide resistance.
Nitric oxide can contribute to reperfusion injury when excessive nitric oxide produced during reperfusion (following a period of ischemia) reacts with superoxide to produce to produce the damaging free radical peroxynitrite.
And on a personal note, I would like to add that I have tried NO2 about a year and a half ago and it was ok. It wasn't amazing but I was on it for 2 months. I've been to the doctor several times after the use of NO2, for check up on my liver function and routine blood tests and I'm fine. I get a check up every couple of months and I'm actually getting progessively healthier albiet a slow process (that really doesn't have anything to do with the NO2 but it's definitely worth mention). I also told the doctor I was on NO2 and he didn't condemn the use of NO2 but he also said that he didn't recommend the stuff. And he never mentioned anything about rotting organs. NOTHING! I have also tired N.O. Xplode and it was great. The stuff really works. I have been using N.O Xplode for about 2 weeks and I personally like it.
As someone clearly pointed it out, N.O. isn't for everyone which is why the warning labels are on stuff and the recommendation of a doctor's advice is told to you by the label.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 6:59:42 AM
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VaughnTrue
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quote:
ORIGINAL: odw777
Hmm I think it's a given that steroids damage your liver. Don't ask me for an actual trial though...
But I see your point about lack of evidence and in the same way, there's no evidence NO does anything beyond being a vasculizer.
Acctually on another site the consensus was that NO is garbage and dangerous.
I have NO2 I'm waiting to use once I hit around 180 and start cutting, but that crap is expensie as hell. I doubt the cost to benefit ratio is justified but I'll see.
it's a given? have you or any friends suffered liver trauma based DIRECTLY on steroids? No...you haven't. Have you ever HEARD of someone who suffered liver trauma based DIRECTLY on steroids? No...you haven't.
Injectable steroids BYPASS your liver. Oral steroids do not.
get your facts straight...and stop assuming. just AGREEING with the media frenzy because it's what youre told, makes you an idiot! dont you see??? use your OWN head, your OWN thoughts, do your OWN investigating and research. damn people
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Weight : 258lbs
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Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 7:18:56 AM
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durandalinfinity
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well minute stress is put on the liver with many injectable steroids. but it is NOTHING absolutely nothing compared to the lipidthrashing it does, nor does it even come close to the liver stress methylated pro-hormones put on your body.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 12:24:59 PM
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Illegal steroids have been studied an people that use them are 4 times likelier to have a heart attack before the age of 50 do some research. Not to come down on u but to imply that steroids aren't proven dangerous is simply not true. They also have a wealth of mental side-effects. Everyone I work withhas used them and none of them will disagree with me.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 12:35:51 PM
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Let's not call people names. Stay sensible. State the facts and don't put down. That causes a natural negative reaction and refussal to hear and comprehend.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 12:54:34 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue
it's a given? have you or any friends suffered liver trauma based DIRECTLY on steroids? No...you haven't. Have you ever HEARD of someone who suffered liver trauma based DIRECTLY on steroids? No...you haven't.
Injectable steroids BYPASS your liver. Oral steroids do not.
get your facts straight...and stop assuming. just AGREEING with the media frenzy because it's what youre told, makes you an idiot! dont you see??? use your OWN head, your OWN thoughts, do your OWN investigating and research. damn people
Right... see the thing about that is I didn't specify that I meant taken orally. So I was kind of agreeing with you there. I was just pointing out there isn't nearly enough scientific evidence to show NO is this great supplement.
Obviously injectable steroids take a much more direct route.
I don't hae any personal experience because I've never taken them.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 2:16:04 PM
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VaughnTrue
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quote:
ORIGINAL: psalms_soldier
Illegal steroids have been studied an people that use them are 4 times likelier to have a heart attack before the age of 50 do some research. Not to come down on u but to imply that steroids aren't proven dangerous is simply not true. They also have a wealth of mental side-effects. Everyone I work withhas used them and none of them will disagree with me.
please cite this study. i would love to see it.
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"poena est vires in dissimulo"
Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"
Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 2:25:25 PM
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i agree that injectable steroids are MUCH safer than oral PHs and oral steroids. BUT just because theyre safer than orals, doesnt make them safe. what makes injectables safer is 1-like vaughn said, they bypass your liver, and 2- there have been studies on injectables so you do know exactly what side effects to expect whereas with PHs and orals, its anybodies guess. with that said, injectables still wreak havoc on your lipid levels and cholesterol, in turn affecting your entire cardiovascular system and the most important muscle in your body.......your heart.
peace
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