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NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/6/2006 9:49:00 AM
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wvubill22185
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Hey guys was thinkin of buyin that month cycle package pf the 3 of these supplements together, I know from experience NO2 is great but I'm not to sure about the other ones. They all came from the creator of creatine so I do trust him but I wasn't sure if anyone has had experience w/ any of them or a combination of them. Let me know before I drop money on this.
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/6/2006 1:26:29 PM
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First let me say I never purchased the specific products in question.
Lets look at the ingredients and the market price of these:
N30 (3.30 / serving)
Folate (as folic acid and Metafolin 5-Mehtyl Tetrahydrofolate) 800 mcg
Vitamim B12 (as cyanocobalamin and methylcobalamin) 500 mcg
Potassium (potassium alpha-ketoisocaproate) 1325 mg
L-Arginine alpha-ketoglutarate (AAKG) 5g
Potassium alpha-ketoisocaproate (KKIC) 2g
Magnesium aspartate 250mg
caffeine 200 mg
Vinpocetine 5 mg
CE2 (72 cents/serving)
Creatine from Creatine (Ethyl-Ester HCL): 1.4g
No2 (1.00 / serving
Arginine alpha ketoglutarate 3g
The recommended dose of Arganine by the physician who got the Nobel prize for researching and uncovering it's action is 4-6 grams.
N30 has 5 grams already so I see no need to take NO2 in addition to N30
You can buy 1 pound of arganine powder for $20 which supplies 151 3 gram servings or 100 4.5 gram servings...that is 20 or 30 cents per serving of Arganine.
L-Arganine
200 mg of caffeine is quite a kicker. As you know caffeine is super cheap!
Vinpocetine is a "nootropic" and has several possible actions, including increasing cerebral blood flow and metabolism, anticonvulsant (helpful with high doses of Folate as that is a risk of high folate consumption), cognition enhancement, neuroprotection and antioxidant.
Potassium. magnesium, Folate and B12 are are in your multivitamin, in your diet or inexpensive supplements.
Now CE2
All the research I have seen is on Mono. The goal is to get creatine phosphate into the muscles. But I am sure the creatine in the EE gets into the energy pathway just fine. The goal is to get 3-5 grams into you...I don't know the amount of actual creatine delivered in a 1.4g serving of CEE but it is 1.4 g or less..
Pure Creatine mono runs about 10-13 cents per 5 gram serving.
Creatine Monohydrate
We are assuming your diet is primo and your training is cyclic and periodized and runs in the 45 minute range. And that your goal is maximum muscle gains. you take a multi already.
These things you are looking at are just a plus. A very tiny edge...
The nootropic could make you very present and on top of the 3 cups of coffee worth of caffeine..you should be able to train feeling like a crack whore on a fresh score...if that is the goal...then N30 + A good Creatine looks like the stuff.
Otherwise you could dial it back and go with a pure Creatine, maybe some arganine (depending on what you want from the arganine...it basically is a great antioxidant and increases the flow of blood) and if the training is ball out, maybe post w/o glutamine...at about 21 cents a serving.
Glutamine
Hows that? Confuse ya or what!?
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/6/2006 10:17:39 PM
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wvubill22185
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dan your the f*ckin man. I know atleast w/ the arginine that the No2 is supposed to time realease it somehow to give you the effects all dya, otherwise they are equal. Seriously though thanks for the info i wish i had your knoweldge.
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/7/2006 2:04:37 PM
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wvubill22185
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yea im tryin to get ride of a very disgusting midsection haha
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/7/2006 2:10:46 PM
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wvubill22185
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Dan, could I jsut purchase glutamine/arginine powder and take them together liek mix the powders in one bottle or will it not work?
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/7/2006 2:15:55 PM
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h4rryp0tter
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hey dan,,,,can i answer somequestions i got....im about to go to gnc to buy some new supps.
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would ce2 and no2 be better than sizeon + a nitric oxide? or is theresomething better?
and is leukic and gaekic good to take>
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/7/2006 2:22:33 PM
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wvubill22185
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leukic is supposedly only l-leucine which is cheaper by other brands, not sure bout gakic.
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/7/2006 2:41:26 PM
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danmirage
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quote:
Dan, could I jsut purchase glutamine/arginine powder and take them together liek mix the powders in one bottle or will it not work?
If you mix them into 1 bottle it won't work because they have different weights and settle.
I just spoon out the serving when I need it. Or for travel, I pre measure into one film canister all my pre (BCAA) and all my post (Creatine, Glutamine, BCAA) workout stuff.
Hey Harry...like I said to Bill...I think the pure forms I gave links to are better than the overpriced over marketed overhyped stuff you referenced. CE2 you have to take 3x servings to get what you need..thats bs! NO2 is a sub optimal amount as well! Bs!!!
nitric oxide = arganine..with maybe a few other things in there (citulline, etc)
All the makers hide what is in there.
Like 6-star
*Kinetica 2.8g: l-arginine hydrochloride, creatine monohydrate, l-arginine alpha-klutarate, l-leucine, l-valine.
How much creatine and how much arganine? Obviously not enough since the total is 2.8 grams!!! BS!!
Sizeon you have no f-ing idea how much of anything is in there! Example:
Gaspari CellDriver Energy Matrix: 12.3g
Containing - Drive II Mitochondrial Energy Factor (Glucose, Creatine Monohydrate, Malic Acid, 2-deoxy-Ribose, Creatine Alpha-Keto-Glutarate), Glycerol Monostearate, Disodium Adenosine Triphosphate, Calcium Gluconate, L-Citrulline, Arginine HMB, L-Taurine, Acetyl-L-Carnitine
So is that 11 grams of glucose and trace amounts of the rest? WE need to know how much creatine mono we are getting! How much Arganine is in there?
Read the labels closely! Go for pure forms.
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/7/2006 2:47:48 PM
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h4rryp0tter
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so what do uthink i should buy....i going to go to gnc right now...could u tell me exactly what brands? on 100% protein...and wut else? is isopure mass good?
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/7/2006 3:50:34 PM
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wvubill22185
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Dan, have you hit your 6/5/06 goals?
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/8/2006 11:49:26 AM
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wvubill22185
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lift on brotha!
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/9/2006 2:32:44 PM
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wvubill22185
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I was thinkin bout a stack w/ a morning multi vit ultimate orange, No2, purple k, and ZMA
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RE: NO2 CE2 N30 - 6/11/2006 9:22:35 AM
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wvubill22185
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Yea, I figured as much. I like the pills form b/c I'm busy most days and its a bit easier for me to carry around, just less to mess w/. I already get the wierd stares when I pull out a meal during a college lecture now I'm gonna get emm drinknig in class haha.
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