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NO2?? - 11/21/2003 9:29:42 PM
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BlueDevilChamps
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I appreciate the andro help, and have decided not to use it because of the risks. I have also heard of NO2 but have no idea what it does. I really want to know what it is. Is it similar to creatine? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: NO2?? - 11/22/2003 3:15:16 PM
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JeffPool12
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I have tried NO2 and i wasnt real happy the results i gained. It just made my pumps stay a bout and hour. I think the main thing with it is they will work harder thinking its the NO2 making you get stronger but its really not. I stayed about the same after i stopped as i did when i was taking it. I have however heard that the creatine you take will increase in effectiveness by like 30% but that could just be a rumor
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RE: NO2?? - 11/22/2003 4:22:09 PM
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nottoshabi
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I was intrusted in the NO2 my self but for the price I thinck I need more info on it. As for the creatine yes it does help for bulk but its all water you lose it fast if you stop working out. But it does bulk.
JeffPool12 how long were you taking NO2?
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RE: NO2?? - 12/11/2003 7:41:38 AM
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djduhon
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The idea behind vasodilators is to increase the bloodflow to the muscle, when this occurs theoretically muscle cells can transport necessary nutrients in and dispose of the crap faster and easier. Hence, the increase effectiveness of creatine when used in conjunction with NO. The pump is just a side effect that makes us feel good, and while it may psycologically push us for another rep has little to do with the effectiveness of the product.
There are also some serious considerations when using this product; ephedra use, water intake, timing, etc; so use it wisely.
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RE: NO2?? - 12/11/2003 10:34:43 AM
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djduhon
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Just the ones on the label... looks like you are adhering to them.
This is what I was talking about:
Warning: Do not use if you are pregnant or nursing or if you are at risk or are being treated for high blood pressure, liver, thyroid, psychiatric disease or diabetes. NoX2 Info- While using NoX2 don't take products that contain ephedra as they may act as a vasoconstricter reducing NoX2 effects. While taking NoX2, drink at least 8 glasses of water on the days you don't train and 10-12 glasses on the days you do train. While taking NOX2, don't let your carbohydrate intake fall below 40% of your total daily caloric intake. Don't eat for at least 30 minutes before or after taking NoX2. Don't take NoX2 after 3-00 pm. Although NoX2 contains no stimulants of any kind, it may keep you awake.
I find it amazing how many people take products without reading the label... dosing recommendations, how and when to take, etc. Sorry for the confusion, hope that clears it up.
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RE: NO2?? - 1/8/2004 3:17:07 PM
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So the "perpetual pump" seems to be a myth? I still may give the stuff one bottle to see what happens, starting in Feb, and I will let you guys know what I find.
I am cool about not having the "perpetual pump" if the part about muscle synthesis is true. I got the NO2 book for a buck at GNC and it seems pretty thorough, albeit with little scientific studies cited. It also comes with a pretty good workout and nutrition plan. Did you guys use the accompanying plans when you used NO2?
Perhaps the workouts and nutrition help you to maximize the effect. Perhaps the intense workout and solid nutrition plan ARE the only effect and the NO2 is just a motivational placebo... ;)
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RE: NO2?? - 1/8/2004 4:23:50 PM
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From a biochemisty perspective, NO2 is metabolized to NO, which is taken up by cells lining the blood vessels and causes them to dialate. This is why angina patients take nitroglyceryn, top open up their blood vessels during an attack. Viagra makes the cells that line the blood vessels more sensetive to NO, which is both how it does what it does, and also why mixing Viagra and nitrates can cause a fatal drop in blood pressure.
Nope, it's not a permanent pump. It might dialate the blood vessels, providing more blood flow, but I wouldn't get to excited about it in pill form. Remember, cured meats are also full of nitrates, and that's not considered a good thing. Perscription nitrates are in the form of tiny little nitroglycerin pills you put under your tounge, or a paste you rub on your chest, or an inhaled form. In any of these forms, they get into you blood stream much more quickly and more directly than if you swallowed it in pill form.
Keep in mind that those $1 books are actually sales brochures, and it's not surprising they're short on hard science. All those "lose weight while you sleep" pills are also packaged with inserts containing good common sense diet and exercise programs, because after all, if you just eat right and work out right, you'll get results. Doesn't really matter if you take the magic pill or not!
If I sound like a skeptic, it's because I am. I have seen SO many "hot new supplements" come and go, and I have some education in biochemistry and marketing. The only things I take now are multivitamins, whey powder, creatine, and glutamine. Ok, and the Androgel, but I have a prescription for that :-) I also suspect HMB might be good, but I still haven't made up my mind. All the rest I don't believe in anymore.
Edit: I forgot, I also believe in Pyruvate for helping burn fat.
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RE: NO2?? - 1/9/2004 5:37:48 AM
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Yeah, I recently read in either Men's Health or Men's Fitness (I read both) that through countless studies, the only two supplements proven to add mass are creatine and HMB taken together. Of course, they didn't say which supplements they had tried or anything, just one of those quick hit margin notes...
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RE: NO2?? - 1/9/2004 8:31:38 AM
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I actually asked a clerk at GNC if NO2 really did anything. She told me that it's just argenine or something like that. It's overpriced, doesn't do a lot, and will probably end up being like ephedra and be banned soon. Just because stuipid people do stupid things and don't think when they take supplements, gives them the right to sue people for their OWN stupidity! I myself prefer to do lots of research on supplements before I implement them. Usually just a search in Google groups and bodybuilding.com is enough to deter me from thinking about taking most supplements. Just remember, even if the general consensus is great on something, doesn't mean that thing is good. Usually that general consensus is paid for by the company trying to promote it, especially in books and magazines.
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RE: NO2?? - 1/9/2004 8:45:02 AM
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ORIGINAL: slayerboy
I actually asked a clerk at GNC if NO2 really did anything. She told me that it's just argenine or something like that. It's overpriced, doesn't do a lot, and will probably end up being like ephedra and be banned soon.
Please take a heavy brick, and whack yourself over the head with it. That's for taking advice from a GNC clerk.
And what was here reason why arginine, and amino acid, would be banned?
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RE: NO2?? - 1/9/2004 9:29:48 AM
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I doubt they'd ban Arginine. The only negative effect I've heard about it is that it can trigger migranes in some people.
Tryptophan (another amino acid) got banned because there was only one company in Japan producing it, and somehow a batch of it got contaminated with something. Several people died, many others were injured. Now, everyone knows it was the contamination and not the amino acid that caused these problems, but since Tryptophan is a serotonin precursor, the companies selling the Prozac-type drugs were all VERY CONCERNED about the safety of Tryptophan (wink wink, nudge nudge).
Oh, and I agree that GNC is not the best source for either supplements or information.
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RE: NO2?? - 1/9/2004 1:27:41 PM
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Chazz540
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NO2
My friend took this for a while, said it was workign great! burning fat gaining muscle. 2 months later he has lost muscle gained fat and says that it has screwed him up. Metabolism included.
For sure things that you have worked with and know work for you, they are ok to use. Mostly for an after workout muscle food. Also if you are on the go a lot and need something to keep you set for a couple hours.
Anything lese, well it's crap. Your body is a machine, machines need to be operated a certain for them to work correctly. Learn about your body, medical books are good for reading about what funtions of the body do what Ie. metabolism. You will learn a few things. A machine will need oil to run smooth, your oil is not supplements... It's food, the right food.
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RE: NO2?? - 1/9/2004 8:24:59 PM
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Chazz540
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WE over come!
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