NO2??

I appreciate the andro help, and have decided not to use it because of the risks. I have also heard of NO2 but have no idea what it does. I really want to know what it is. Is it similar to creatine? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have tried NO2 and i wasnt real happy the results i gained. It just made my pumps stay a bout and hour. I think the main thing with it is they will work harder thinking its the NO2 making you get stronger but its really not. I stayed about the same after i stopped as i did when i was taking it. I have however heard that the creatine you take will increase in effectiveness by like 30% but that could just be a rumor

I was intrusted in the NO2 my self but for the price I thinck I need more info on it. As for the creatine yes it does help for bulk but its all water you lose it fast if you stop working out. But it does bulk.

JeffPool12 how long were you taking NO2?

I gained a lot from creatine in terms of strength and size. I lost some weight because of water when I cycle off of creatine but the strength is a big plus. It comes back.

NO2 supplements I gained a pump. And I felt good so I worked out a bit harder. But sometimes I get nothing out of taking it. So it's debatable. Pumps don't build muscle, overload does. My take is, NO2 stuff if ineffective at actually doing anything. But if it helps you mentally, and you push more weight, then that does something and it could be worth it if you need the pump to build the motivation.

Creatine works well. It's got a lot of science behind it and more studies. It is reported to not to work in about 30% of the population. It works for me. I do notice a difference and I do notice strength increases.

NO2 is not similar to Creatine supplements.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

The idea behind vasodilators is to increase the bloodflow to the muscle, when this occurs theoretically muscle cells can transport necessary nutrients in and dispose of the crap faster and easier. Hence, the increase effectiveness of creatine when used in conjunction with NO. The pump is just a side effect that makes us feel good, and while it may psycologically push us for another rep has little to do with the effectiveness of the product.

There are also some serious considerations when using this product; ephedra use, water intake, timing, etc; so use it wisely.

D

There are also some serious considerations when using this product

Can you elaborate on this one? I just usually pop those 3 little pills 3x a day on an empty stomach 30 mins before eating.

What kind of considerations are you referring to?

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

Just the ones on the label... looks like you are adhering to them.

This is what I was talking about:

Warning: Do not use if you are pregnant or nursing or if you are at risk or are being treated for high blood pressure, liver, thyroid, psychiatric disease or diabetes. NoX2 Info- While using NoX2 don't take products that contain ephedra as they may act as a vasoconstricter reducing NoX2 effects. While taking NoX2, drink at least 8 glasses of water on the days you don't train and 10-12 glasses on the days you do train. While taking NOX2, don't let your carbohydrate intake fall below 40% of your total daily caloric intake. Don't eat for at least 30 minutes before or after taking NoX2. Don't take NoX2 after 3-00 pm. Although NoX2 contains no stimulants of any kind, it may keep you awake.

I find it amazing how many people take products without reading the label... dosing recommendations, how and when to take, etc. Sorry for the confusion, hope that clears it up.

D

Oh and then after not reading the label.. and overdosing.. they sue the crap out of the supplement companies.

Thanks for the clarification.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

So the "perpetual pump" seems to be a myth? I still may give the stuff one bottle to see what happens, starting in Feb, and I will let you guys know what I find.

I am cool about not having the "perpetual pump" if the part about muscle synthesis is true. I got the NO2 book for a buck at GNC and it seems pretty thorough, albeit with little scientific studies cited. It also comes with a pretty good workout and nutrition plan. Did you guys use the accompanying plans when you used NO2?

Perhaps the workouts and nutrition help you to maximize the effect. Perhaps the intense workout and solid nutrition plan ARE the only effect and the NO2 is just a motivational placebo... ;)

From a biochemisty perspective, NO2 is metabolized to NO, which is taken up by cells lining the blood vessels and causes them to dialate. This is why angina patients take nitroglyceryn, top open up their blood vessels during an attack. Viagra makes the cells that line the blood vessels more sensetive to NO, which is both how it does what it does, and also why mixing Viagra and nitrates can cause a fatal drop in blood pressure.

Nope, it's not a permanent pump. It might dialate the blood vessels, providing more blood flow, but I wouldn't get to excited about it in pill form. Remember, cured meats are also full of nitrates, and that's not considered a good thing. Perscription nitrates are in the form of tiny little nitroglycerin pills you put under your tounge, or a paste you rub on your chest, or an inhaled form. In any of these forms, they get into you blood stream much more quickly and more directly than if you swallowed it in pill form.

Keep in mind that those $1 books are actually sales brochures, and it's not surprising they're short on hard science. All those "lose weight while you sleep" pills are also packaged with inserts containing good common sense diet and exercise programs, because after all, if you just eat right and work out right, you'll get results. Doesn't really matter if you take the magic pill or not!

If I sound like a skeptic, it's because I am. I have seen SO many "hot new supplements" come and go, and I have some education in biochemistry and marketing. The only things I take now are multivitamins, whey powder, creatine, and glutamine. Ok, and the Androgel, but I have a prescription for that :-) I also suspect HMB might be good, but I still haven't made up my mind. All the rest I don't believe in anymore.

Edit: I forgot, I also believe in Pyruvate for helping burn fat.

Yeah, I recently read in either Men's Health or Men's Fitness (I read both) that through countless studies, the only two supplements proven to add mass are creatine and HMB taken together. Of course, they didn't say which supplements they had tried or anything, just one of those quick hit margin notes...

I actually asked a clerk at GNC if NO2 really did anything. She told me that it's just argenine or something like that. It's overpriced, doesn't do a lot, and will probably end up being like ephedra and be banned soon. Just because stuipid people do stupid things and don't think when they take supplements, gives them the right to sue people for their OWN stupidity! I myself prefer to do lots of research on supplements before I implement them. Usually just a search in Google groups and bodybuilding.com is enough to deter me from thinking about taking most supplements. Just remember, even if the general consensus is great on something, doesn't mean that thing is good. Usually that general consensus is paid for by the company trying to promote it, especially in books and magazines.

My Review of NO2

Usually that general consensus is paid for by the company trying to promote it, especially in books and magazines.

Isn't that the truth!

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

ORIGINAL: slayerboy

I actually asked a clerk at GNC if NO2 really did anything. She told me that it's just argenine or something like that. It's overpriced, doesn't do a lot, and will probably end up being like ephedra and be banned soon.

Please take a heavy brick, and whack yourself over the head with it. That's for taking advice from a GNC clerk.

And what was here reason why arginine, and amino acid, would be banned?

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That's for taking advice from a GNC clerk

I didn't want to say it but I thought it. GNC usually isn't the place to even buy supplements as it's expensive and your choices are limited to what brands they carry (usually companies they own somehow).

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

I doubt they'd ban Arginine. The only negative effect I've heard about it is that it can trigger migranes in some people.

Tryptophan (another amino acid) got banned because there was only one company in Japan producing it, and somehow a batch of it got contaminated with something. Several people died, many others were injured. Now, everyone knows it was the contamination and not the amino acid that caused these problems, but since Tryptophan is a serotonin precursor, the companies selling the Prozac-type drugs were all VERY CONCERNED about the safety of Tryptophan (wink wink, nudge nudge).

Oh, and I agree that GNC is not the best source for either supplements or information.

NO2

My friend took this for a while, said it was workign great! burning fat gaining muscle. 2 months later he has lost muscle gained fat and says that it has screwed him up. Metabolism included.

For sure things that you have worked with and know work for you, they are ok to use. Mostly for an after workout muscle food. Also if you are on the go a lot and need something to keep you set for a couple hours.

Anything lese, well it's crap. Your body is a machine, machines need to be operated a certain for them to work correctly. Learn about your body, medical books are good for reading about what funtions of the body do what Ie. metabolism. You will learn a few things. A machine will need oil to run smooth, your oil is not supplements... It's food, the right food.

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That's for taking advice from a GNC clerk



I didn't want to say it but I thought it. GNC usually isn't the place to even buy supplements as it's expensive and your choices are limited to what brands they carry (usually companies they own somehow).

*smacks himself over the head with a brick*

I know, I was stupid for signing up for their gold card too...LOL. But, where else would I buy my supplements from besides online? There used to be a discount drug store that was more like a grocery store that had a pretty good selection of supplements at cheap prices. Guess that's why they went bankrupt...LOL.

I have to give the girl credit tho.....she's studying nuitrion in college, so I only take her word with half a grain of salt. The other clerks aren't even worth listening to, I'll admit that.

Well actually if you signed up for the Gold Card thing.. then you are taking advantage of whatever you can.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

WE over come!

i use no2 all the time i thought it was a con at first but, i tried this supplement called NITRIX by bsn and that really works, my strength size and shape all together has changed in the last 6 weeks that i have been taking it, pumps stay all day long really makes you feel and look huge!

That's because it is kinda like an adrenaline shot which keeps blood being pumped continuously into the muscles. I haven't used myself, so I can't talk to much crap about it, but I'll stand by you if you think it's doing you good. If you want to stop taking it in the future though, ease of it, ween yourself. Coming of it just like that (!) won't be good for your muscles, your body will be used to having that supp. Then configure your diet appropriately to make sure you keep your gains.

Keep it up, Arnold 100!

I have been using NO2 (from MRI) for about 3 months. I have noticed some definite effects that I like and I am pleased with it so far. It is an expensive supplement, but I think worth trying to see if the results are worth it for you. BTW, I went off it and tried a competing product NOX2 for a month, and the effects went away, so I think that product didn't work for me. I went back to NO2 and the effects came back.

What I have noticed:

- Mental clarity. This is my favorite effect. I feel "naturally" clear-minded and alert. Not "jacked up" like with caffeine or ephedra, but just like I slept well, am rested and am in good health. I am a computer programmer and I feel like my concentration and clarity of thought have improved, benefiting my work. I think for me the supplement may be worth the $ for this effect alone.

- More drive in the gym. This is my second favorite effect. I feel like I can really push myself hard and my weights have increased. I am not tired at the end of an intense one hour workout. Not sure if this is psychological or induced by the supplement, but it is consistent for me when I take the supplement. It went away when I stopped taking it and came back when I resumed so it seems like it's the NO2. I know, this is not science, but it's the only evidence I have to work with.

- Pumps are very hard and last a long time, especially in my arms. They feel like steel for a few hours. I wouldn't call the pump "perpetual", but it does last a couple days instead of a couple hours without NO2. The pump lasts until my next workout, so I guess if you're constantly working out you could call it "perpetual"

- Oddly... I feel a very slight "itchy" or "****ly" cold feeling in my muscles. It's a little bit like the feeling of taking unbuffered niacin. It's very subtle and I definitely feel it for about 12 hours after taking the NO2. Not bothersome, but noticeable. I wonder if that's what "hemodilation" feels like, or if it's some other effect.

- Also noticed my skintone seems clearer and more rosy.

- Sorry, I can't substantiate the brochure's claims of Viagra-like erections from this supplement. No change noticed in that department.

- DJ

Welcome to DB djenning90.

Great feedback. I've often felt the mental clarity thing as well. Might help me to take it.. working in a corporate world has certainly done nothing for my mental abilities lately. Sounds like you've had some good experience with it.

Sorry, I can't substantiate the brochure's claims of Viagra-like erections from this supplement. No change noticed in that department.

LOL

More drive in the gym

That is where I felt the effects the most as well.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

ever heard of nitrix(bsnonline.net) well they have a form of NO and has another form of creating(di-malate or sumthin) well anyway i ordered it( bought two bottle and got one free) the directions are that real results come in week 3 and 4...there are 180 pills in a bottle at 9 pills a day, only a 20 day supply, which is why i bought 2 bottles..and its supposed to have a timed release and becuase its not just arginine_ketablahblahblah that its more effective...i bought it and waitin for the mail system...ive read some good reviews about it..as far as strength and of course size...thats all i got...

Let us know your thoughts when you finally get it and take it for a couple of months.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

haha he said "ween" JK the NITRIX does say to cycly 12 weeks ON and 2-4 weeks OFF.....im glad to hear some of the guys got sumthin out of it..WHEW i thought i got robbed...

Hi ! I started taking NO2 ... im on my second day .... i think i begin to feel a sensation on my head and on ma vain but im not sure yet ... maybe on a couple of week i will see a change. How many time it take to you to absolutly feel the effects ?

Seb

Thank