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My PH Journal (Results) - 6/8/2004 6:35:16 AM
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john23
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Okay, I started taking S1+ on 5/31 and today is the 9th day of my 4 week cycle. I have not experienced any sides and have gained 8lbs!!! I have also increased my caloric intake by about 750. I am doing a 2day on/1day off split.
I will post more results as time pasts.
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 6/8/2004 7:13:39 AM
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Magik23
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8 lbs lean mass ?
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 6/8/2004 7:59:30 AM
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john23
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Water retention is almost non-existant with this product and it appears to be mainly lean mass (have not checked bf%). My strength has increased greatly too; up 10lbs on all DBs for 8reps compared to my previous 6reps. I can't wait to see where I end up after 4 weeks. Check out their webstite for more info: dermabolics.com. It explains how the product works and all.
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 6/8/2004 8:02:34 AM
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Twin Peak
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That's simply not true. The 4-diol will aromatize to estrogen (good thing when bulking) and so you will have water retention (again a good thing when bulking).
8 pounds is astounding, and you should be pleased. But I'll bet half of that is water.
Regardless, 4 pounds is terrific in this timespan, and this is easily the best PH formula on the market, with the exception of the methlyated ones.
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 6/8/2004 8:15:19 AM
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Magik23
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I did a cycle of: (1 months ago)
1-Test 100mg
4-Ad 100mg
1,4 50mg
5 Alpha 50mg
With this stack for 6 weeks i loose some fat, gain some lean muscle mass, did some water retention (Not too much) ... My muscle is harder and my 6-pack more visible ... So in general 1 month later i kept most of what i gain ...
Which results can i expect from a cycle of M1T ... 2ON, 2OFF, 2ON, 2OFF.
First 2ON at 5mg to see how i react and the second 2ON at 10mg (im 160 lbs)
Because for now im on a cutting phase ... can M1T help to achieve my goal ?
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 6/8/2004 8:36:50 AM
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john23
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quote:
8 pounds is astounding, and you should be pleased. But I'll bet half of that is water.
I am very pleased since I wasn't expecting that so soon. If it is water like you say, that's okay. The only reason I mentioned minimal water retention is because thats what dermabolics says along with the vendor.
I am thinking I will gain about 20lbs in total and will go down to a lean 14lbs after PCT based on my results so far. Regardless, I'm pleased with the product.
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 6/13/2004 5:25:27 PM
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djduhon
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quote:
Which results can i expect from a cycle of M1T ... 2ON, 2OFF, 2ON, 2OFF.
First 2ON at 5mg to see how i react and the second 2ON at 10mg (im 160 lbs)
Because for now im on a cutting phase ... can M1T help to achieve my goal ?
Can I pose a question here?
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE PH/PS's DURING A CUTTING CYCLE?
OK, OK... I have everyone's attention? The goal in taking PH/PS's is to gain muscle mass right? So in order to maximize the gains behind our $ we need to be eating accordingly, which means we should increase our caloric intake. Ever wonder why Mag-10 was so successful, they told you straight up if you don't increase your caloric intake you will not see the desired results. After spending $100 on a bottle I desided I wasn't going to screw that up. Of course I later found that had I just increased my caloric intake without the use of MAG-10 I would have made the gains anyway (it just would have taken longer). So back to the point... how idiotic is it to spend all that dosh on a supplement that's only going to be half (or less) as effective because I'm on a cutting cycle. BULK or CUT not both.
Why cut at 160? Are you preparing to compete? 5 ft tall? Why do you need PH/PS's at 160 you really shouldn't have problems putting on mass... if you are take that 100 bones and throw it at Kroger chicken breasts and some pasta it'll do you more good in the long run. I am assuming alot here but it sounds to me like your diet is the shortfall and you trying to compensate for it through PH/PS's.
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 6/14/2004 7:03:49 AM
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Magik23
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Correct me if im wrong .... but M1T ... other pro-hormones or steroids are Anti-Catabolic properties ... so it can be usefull during a Cuting phase
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 6/14/2004 12:55:46 PM
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djduhon
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Proper diet during a cutting phase will prevent you from losing muscle mass. That is a very expensive way to prevent muscle loss and in my opinion a shortcut to make up for lack of planning or willingness to diet properly. Not to mention that if your going to use PH/PS's for bulking and cutting your setting yourself up for future problems. The point here is to maximize the gains of the PH/PS and that would be done during a bulking phase after all other means of attaining gains are established (diet, training, rest etc.). PH/PS's and for that matter steroids shouldnt be taken as shortcuts to make up for somewhere in our program that we are lacking they should be taken as enhancers. You could argue that if taken during a cutting cycle they would be an enhancer by allowing you to gain muscle while on a cutting cycle... but that wouldn't be maximizing you dollar now would it?
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RE: My PH Journal (Results) - 7/2/2004 1:06:28 PM
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y2j2k
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I have read a lot of people that have used PH's during cutting phases and Ergopharm also recommends their products for this as well.
Why? Simple it helps build lean mass without the fat so when you are cutting and losing weight (hopefully fat) it will help contribute to the fat loss and stabilize or possibly build muscle in the process.
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