Milk

I love milk, but last year when I was bulking, I was drinking 3 gallons a week. Eventually, I got some very bad digestive problems that I hadn't had before.  I stopped drinking milk as an experiment, and my problems went away, so I guess milk was the cause.  Now, I only have milk when I put it in my eggs, so I only get about 1/2 a gallon every 2 weeks.  I have heard that consuming too much of something (like milk) could cause the body to do bad things like this.  Is there any hope that I'll be cured any time by taking a break from milk like I'm doing now, or am I doomed to live a milk-free life?

Dairy is pretty hard on your digestive system in the first place.

I had to stop drinking whole milk because I had my gallbladder removed.  Try a lower fat content version, like 2%, 1%, or skim.

But if it is a problem with lactose, and not the fat content, try raw milk.  Raw milk contains all of the naturally-occurring enzymes needed that pasteurized milk does not contain.

If raw milk doesn't work for you, try Lactaid or something similar that has the lactose removed.

"But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."

Too much of anything can be bad for you. I'd suggest a bit more reasonable intake of milk.

175 lbs
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Well, I have always had to drink skim milk b/c I'm allergic to milk fat, but maybe I'll try raw or latcaid.  Do you know how the price compares? 

the Danimal


Well, I have always had to drink skim milk b/c I'm allergic to milk fat, but maybe I'll try raw or latcaid.  Do you know how the price compares? 

allergic to milk fat? Really?! How does that work, what are the symptoms? Raw milk is full fat, nothing taken away so I dunno if that'll help..unless it's the sugar your allergic to and not the fat? 

the Danimal


I love milk, but last year when I was bulking, I was drinking 3 gallons a week. Eventually, I got some very bad digestive problems that I hadn't had before.  I stopped drinking milk as an experiment, and my problems went away, so I guess milk was the cause.  Now, I only have milk when I put it in my eggs, so I only get about 1/2 a gallon every 2 weeks.  I have heard that consuming too much of something (like milk) could cause the body to do bad things like this.  Is there any hope that I'll be cured any time by taking a break from milk like I'm doing now, or am I doomed to live a milk-free life?

3 gallons would give anyone digetive issues.....but 1/2 gallon every two weeks isn't much at all.....since milk is really good for you and you like it... meet in the middle and cut back to around 1 to 1.5 gallons a week.. and see how it goes..

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

I say try drinking a glass of skim milk. If you are ok then just drink it in moderation. If not then go with the lactaid.

motokouk

allergic to milk fat? Really?! How does that work, what are the symptoms? Raw milk is full fat, nothing taken away so I dunno if that'll help..unless it's the sugar your allergic to and not the fat?

I had an allergy test done when I was little and they said I was allergic to milk fat and mold or something, and I haven't really tried anything other than skim since. 

I've tried to drink a glass of milk recently and the bad things happened again.

supposedly too much calcium intake can contribute to kidney stones

pan760


supposedly too much calcium intake can contribute to kidney stones

I have heard that myself, no idea if there is any evidence to support it.

175 lbs
47 48 years old
Feeling pretty good

try mixing milk with brown bread or oats.

i used to screw up my digestive system too until i started mixing milk with other stuff. esp if u mix with fibre rich foods u wont screw up ur tummy that easily.

also try mixing fruits, milk and honey in a bowl and having it early morning. it will de-oxydize ur system and u wont have the same discomfort as consuming milk and according to Ayurveda, the oldest branch of medicine, milk+honey helps u put on weight and trust me, it s true. u ll look fuller after a month's consumption.

Anbe Sivam. Period.

That's a good tip, I'll have to try it.  Although, I don't have any problem putting on weight, so I may skip the honey, even though it sounds delicious.

I drink a gallon of whole milk a day.  No digestive issues to speak of, although I do have bountiful sit-in once in a while, but for the most part I have no problems with it.  But I didn't go all out with a full gallon a day.  I have for years drank between 1/4 and 1/2 gallon a day.  So I just slowly upped my consumption until I was at a full gallon.  I'll do a gallon a day for a month or so, then back it off for a few months. 

Good point brought up about the digestive problems, let those Rippetoe enthusiasts read this and tell us how we're wrong cause SS said so! LOL

I believe a gallon of milk per day is completely pointless, get your calories from whole foods, whey protein is a better option. If you're an ecto, milk can help gain weight but I would never consume a whole gallon of milk per day. Expensive and pointless.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

MVP

 If you're an ecto, milk can help gain weight but I would never consume a whole gallon of milk per day. Expensive and pointless.

I am VERY ecto, I can afford it, and it has worked very well for me.  It works, it has worked well for me, and countless others.  If it doesn't work for you, no point in whining about it.  I've been putting down at least a half gallon a day for most of my adult life.  I'm almost 39, no problems at all with it.

RobertN

MVP

If you're an ecto, milk can help gain weight but I would never consume a whole gallon of milk per day. Expensive and pointless.

I am VERY ecto, I can afford it, and it has worked very well for me.  It works, it has worked well for me, and countless others.  If it doesn't work for you, no point in whining about it.  I've been putting down at least a half gallon a day for most of my adult life.  I'm almost 39, no problems at all with it.

Regardless, it's still better to rely on whole foods to gain weight. I'm an ecto that was stuck at under 130 lbs up until age 17, couldn't seem to gain weight. But I did so, and without relying on dairy liquids with simple carbs and sugars.
 
I decided to further research this.
 
This reply is based off the average nutrition facts for whole milk a whole gallon a standard serving size is a cup there is 16 cups in agallon now basing this off the average nutrition facts for whole milk
 
Total Nutrients from gallon of whole milk
Calories - 24000
Calories from Fat - 1120
So 1120 calories of fat is in that 2400 calories
That is roughly 46% fat in just the calories
 
Total Fat - 128 grams
Sat Fat - 80 grams
Cholesterol - 560 milligrams
Carbohydrates - 208 grams
Sugars - 192 grams
Protein - 128 grams
 
Now make reference to what nutrients most lifters look for commonly protein, saturated fats, sugars, calories, carbs
If ive already pointed out calories now lets calculate our total grams for protein fats sugars and carbs
 
That gives us a total of 608 grams
Roughly give us fomr our total...
21% of that total is protein
31% of that total is sugar
34% of that total is carbs
13% of that toal is saturated fats
 
Now if your going to tell me drinking a gallon of milk a day is optimial for muscle growth you are sadly mistaken unless you primary goal to add any kind of weight period regardless of fat and muscle gained then yes shoot for the milk.
 
Now lets take a look at another supplement implemented by lifters whey protein, which is taken secondary to whole foods
Now all whey protein are different in the nutrient make up however lets go with a widely used brand ON whey 100% now take some average nutrition facts from on whey serving lets say 1 scoop plus 1 cup of water and multiply this by 16, number of cups n in a gallon.
 
Total Nutrients from Whey Protein - 1 Gallon, 1 scoop 1 cup of water
Total Calories - 1760
Calories from Fat - 240
13% of those calories are from fat much much lower than our milk
Total Nutrients
Total Fat - 24 grams
Sat Fat - 16 grams
Cholestrol - 400 mg
Carbs - 48 grams
Sugar - 16 grams
Protein - 384 grams
 
Now just doing like above by making observation of what nutrients most lifters look at sugars, saturated fats, carbs, protein
Total Protein, sugars, fats, carbs - 464 grams
Saturated Fat - 3%
Carbs - 10%
Sugar - 3%
Protein - 82%
 
Whoa look at that now tell me which is more optimal for muscle growth besides that fact that milk has a tad more carbs and this can be easily observed among many types of training.
 
The answer to gaining weight is whole foods and water not sugars.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

the Danimal

motokouk

allergic to milk fat? Really?! How does that work, what are the symptoms? Raw milk is full fat, nothing taken away so I dunno if that'll help..unless it's the sugar your allergic to and not the fat?

I had an allergy test done when I was little and they said I was allergic to milk fat and mold or something, and I haven't really tried anything other than skim since. 

I've tried to drink a glass of milk recently and the bad things happened again.

It is possible to become lactose intolerant in your teens and early adulthood. If you **** your pants every time you drink milk then that is most likely the problem. Your body is not producing enough of the enzyme lactase that breaks down lactose ( the sugar in milk) into galactose and glucose. This is what causes your problems, your body cannot break down the lactase.

As for the small amount you put into your eggs...you are probably producing enough of the enzyme to break down small amounts at a time.

Try buying some lactose free milk, maybe like soy milk or taking lactaid( i am not sure if this always works or not) and see if you have the same problem. **Oh I see Bill already suggested this.

Soy and all products made from soy contain enzyme inhibitors that cause your body not to process protein efficiently.  Soy is NOT a healthy food.

Also, MVP, raw milk is a whole food.  Pasteurized milk is not.

"But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."

King Bill Raaaymond


Soy and all products made from soy contain enzyme inhibitors that cause your body not to process protein efficiently.  Soy is NOT a healthy food.

Also, MVP, raw milk is a whole food.  Pasteurized milk is not.

depends on ur diet. if u follow western diet, wat u say is true. if u r following eastern [chinese/indian] diet, u r terribly wrong coz there are a lotta herbs and stuff that are included while making the soy to fix whatever the issues u say it has.

Anbe Sivam. Period.

The only way to effectively reduce, and only sometimes neutralize, the toxins that soy contain is through fermentation.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html

"But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."

see. thats the problem. i checked with my doc regarding the supps. the glutamine, BCAAs, t-arginine and stuff like that. doc says i dont have to take any supps since my natural diet in itself is sufficient. AND i believe that since indian food [tats wat i consume] is pretty complicated and contains lotsa herbs that u guys would have never heard of AND it is pretty time tested too. chinese diet is something similar too. lotsa herbs and stuff. though it is pretty bland most of the times and raw too.
anyways, the point where i was driving is, we/chinese consume a lotta soya and it does not actually do anything to the body. the bodies have adapted that way. infact guys here are adviced to get the soya in the system coz it boosts the testosterone levels. but it is supposedly bad for girls since it affects their periods, coz it increases the body temperature.

Anbe Sivam. Period.

What is considered a lot of soy to you?

"But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."

250 - 350 grams. that goes down the food pipe in one sitting. i know the exact amount coz i get them in 250 gram packets for 12 bucks (indian currency) and i boil the whole thing. sprinkle some salt pepper and eat it.

had some gas problems earlier because of excessive consumption. But im used to it now.

also not to mention the soy powder that mom mixes with the snacks to make the food "more nutritious"...

Anbe Sivam. Period.

Wow, that is a lot!  You should really read up on the links I included in one of my previous posts.  Soy is NOT good for you.

"But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."

i clicked on both the links. but im at work right now and the firewall in my office network wont let the link open.

prolly i ll check it out later on from home.    

but im sure bound to regret wasting time if it turns out to be just another western health fad doing the rounds.

Anbe Sivam. Period.

i would say milk is realy good when bulking but to much is bad anyways i heard milk is high in protein help with your bones and it is said to increase protein synthesis

Pizza has protein in it, should I include that to my diet?

I posted facts on why this "gallon of milk per day" is complete bull****.

If someone wants to gain weight, increase the amount of foods they're eating, drink water and avoid all those unnecessary sugars and fat in milk.

I can eat a gallon of fat per day and gain weight.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

The fat in raw milk is good for you, not to mention the fact that it contains live cultures, enzymes, more bio-available vitamins and minerals, and it can heal you.

The fat in pizza is not good for you.  And therein lies the difference

"But a true champion, face to face with his darkest hour, will do whatever it takes to rise above. A man fights, and fights, and then fights some more. Because surrender is death, and death is for pussies."

Milk has the same sugars as soda, a gallon of milk is like eating 4.5 mountain dews per day, we are told to avoid Mountain Dew to avoid these sugars yet we're told to consume the same sugar because it's milk? You can get protein and calories through regular foods and not liquids, the only thing I would drink a gallon of is water.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

MVP


Milk has the same sugars as soda, a gallon of milk is like eating 4.5 mountain dews per day, we are told to avoid Mountain Dew to avoid these sugars yet we're told to consume the same sugar because it's milk? You can get protein and calories through regular foods and not liquids, the only thing I would drink a gallon of is water.

Although I agree with your statement about whole foods and water being the way to go I do disagree on comparing milk to mountain dew.
 
Milk is all natural
 
Mountain due is all HFCS
 
The sugars in milk are also slowed by the fats and protein milk has. The casien effect and the amount of time it takes to digest milk.-You know
 
Mountain dew is not slowed by anything besides well maybe a twinke.. haha
 
Those two alone should justify what im trying to say
 
Milk is good, in moderation.
Just like everything else in life.
 
(Also-Milk should be a part of the "whole foods" category. IMO)
 
 
 

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