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2007/02/12 15:46:24 (permalink)
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Does muscle have memory???

Hi all... Newbie to the site. Great site by the way.I have only heard this and was hoping for confirmation regardless of the answer.A little background to bore you with. I am 47 years old. I was into body building from 1990 to 1994 when I met my lovely wife . After 2 kids, starting a business, yada, yada,yada,I didn't have time for the gym anymore.Here I am 13 years later and 55 pounds heavier. When I quit the gym I was looking pretty buff. Now I'm pretty Puff.I have been doing cardio for the last 2 weeks to boost metabolism and hitting the weights very lightly to kind of get the muscles warmed back up a bit. I have heard that muscle had a memory and with some hard work, the gains that I made in the past should come back fairly quickly. Is there any truth to this rumor?
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/02/12 21:32:36 (permalink)
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well...I also heard that rumor. I would not put my money in it.
Gains are made from diet and effort. Just allow yourself some time and you'll see for yourself !
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/02/12 22:02:45 (permalink)
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well some people will agree with you and some won't personally i do agree with muscle having memory i broke my leg in may of 06 and quit working out for about 3 or 4 months before that then couple months after the wreck i lost 25 lbs of lean mass and gaind 15 lbs of fat in that period i have been working out again since july and my bench max has gone from 250 to 370 in that short time and i have gained my weight back and got to even less fat then before in this time arms went from 13.5 in to now 16.25 in i think that it does have memory from my personal exp. hope i can be some help to you

Height 5'10"
Weight 200lbs
Incline bench press 300
curl 115 5 times sitting down
Skull crushers 105 lbs 12 times 4 sets
One arm Bent over row 90 lb dumbell 4x12
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/02/13 04:52:26 (permalink)
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Muscle memory comes into play when your fine motor skills shut down.  (high stress situtations)  When I took off a few months and just ran, I lost a lot of my mass.  It only took a short period of time to start to see results.  As soon as the "extra Puff" comes off you should see something..............
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/02/13 05:17:49 (permalink)
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i have to agree with muscle memory. i have seen lots of people, myself also, who have taken significant time off of the gym and gained it back in a couple of months. right after i took this pic, to the left, i injured my back(which for a strange reason affected my lower stomach). anyway i had to take months off to which i lost mass & weight and gained fat.  after about a good 2 months i have some of the fat still but im far more bigger and defined then this picture. so i do believe it has memory but it may take longer with the longer time taken off from lifting. good luck

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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/02/13 08:45:41 (permalink)
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"Muscle memory" is based on a few physiological factors.
 
No matter what, diet, training and rest are the key factors to your success.
 
Your body has the "potential" to return to the previous state of muscularity in a fairly short time.
 
However, that does not mean you will lose the fat as well.  But the muscle will help to burn the fat!
 
I took 7 years off.
In 1 year I had reached/surpassed my previous level of training.
 
Don't worry, age is not a factor. 
 
Keep in mind YOU CAN NOT train the way you did 13 years ago!
 
You were smart to go slow!
Pretend you are a new lifter coming in after an injury!
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/02/22 12:03:59 (permalink)
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Just in case, I wanted to anwer some questions that I think are very good ones...and I wanted to anwer them in an open forum!
 
 
My weight 7 weeks ago was 238. After hitting a low carb diet with
my wife for about 4 weeks I got down to 221. She went from 162 to 150

It is important for you to be aware that doing 45 minutes of carido on a low carb diet with NO resistance training has the potential to cause you to burn muscle and drop water weight.  Both, crippling your fat burning mechanism.
 
When you started weight training, your body decided that maybe you did want the muscle and maybe you needed to store some more glycogen in the muscle, which means holding more water (muscle is 75% water) and so you would gain some weight back immediatly!

My biggest mistake was not taking body caliper measures from day
one.

Dont worry.  Start where you are..just use those for tracking progress!
 
I have upped my calories to about 2000 a day
and my wife at about 1500 but it is hard to eat that amount so we
probably take in less than we should but are still gaining weight This is
where we are confused. We want to lose more weight

Let me hellp you. 
 
Your goal is gain muscle and later it will be to LOSE FAT.
 
Read that, re-read that, get comfotable with it.
Muscle is th place in the body where fat is burned.
Muscle is what gives us a nice figure.
 
How much cardio should we do before a workout?

5-7 minutes, as needed to warm up the core temp and raise the heartrate.
thats all.
 
should we suppliment with whey, bcaa's
(which we take before and after each workout)

those are good.
 
We stretch ALOT before and
after each workout, is this beneficial?

After yes, before...NO!!!
 
I realize this will take a couple of years
but there is no time like the present to start again

This is a good mental outlook, but it could easily be faster!
 
If you think in terms of cycling it...it should be good!
12 weeks muscle gain
1 week off
8 weeks fat loss
1 week off
repeat
 
Other things that help boost test are
1. Performing short, high intensity workouts lasting only 20-40 minutes.
2. Double splitting your weight training. Do two short sessions (i.e. chest in the morning and triceps in the evening) lasting about 30 to 40 minutes each instead of one long workout.
3. Progressively increasing workout intensity, but not duration.
4. Allowing sufficient recovery time between workouts (do not lift more than two days in a row).
5. Getting eight hours of sound, uninterrupted sleep (or whatever amount you've found keeps you rested and recovered).
6. Taking a 30-60 minute nap whenever possible.
7. Using basic, multi-joint exercises like Squats, deadlifts and rows. A 20-rep squat cycle will release growth hormone naturally and get you growing like no supplements ever will.
8. Keeping alcohol intake to a minimum or not drinking at all.
9 Avoiding refined sugars. Focusing on natural starchy and fibrous carbohydrates.
10. Consuming lean proteins at frequent intervals throughout the day.
11. Getting adequate amounts of the "good fats."
12. Getting lean and stay lean.
13. Avoiding stress and relaxing.
14. Avoiding overtraining
 
Other anit-anabolic events to avoid:
Over cooking food
Eating too fast
Missing Meals
Over Eating
Not drinking enough water
Not getting ENOUGH protein
Not getting ENOUGH calories
Drinking Alcohol
Too much caffeine
Taking Saw Palmetto when you are not at risk of BPH
Training TOO LITTLE! (1x per bodypart per week does not take advantage of more frequent hormonal "work - recovery" cycles)
Doing low intensity cardio
Never lifting Heavy


 
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/03/01 14:05:04 (permalink)
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Once again... Thanks for the wealth of info. I feel as though this time I'm doing things right. In the early to mid 90's it would have taken forever to get this kind of information in such a short period of time. I told my wife to beware... cause the ol' man is feeling pretty dam good here lately. Thanks Dan.

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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/03/01 14:45:50 (permalink)
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Hee hee...beware...you just wait until her test levels rise...
 
Keep us posted on the progress!
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/03/20 06:12:41 (permalink)
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Update.... I joined the local community college gym on February 7th and as of this date March 20th ,I have lost 4.5% bodyfat and have went from 222 to 219. I have gained 1/2" on all major bodyparts . All this in just over a month. Thanks to all on this forum especially Dan and Marc.

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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/03/20 09:50:33 (permalink)
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Keep up the great work.
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/09/28 09:05:14 (permalink)
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Hi, I to am in the same position as the italian stallion but for different reasons, and was concerned over the same question. 5 years ago I moved to a different part of the country and the house needed gutting so my training suffered. A 2 years later I had kidney failure so had to go on dialysis this was due to diabetes. two years later I received a call to have a double transplant; kidney and pancreas. While Iwas in hospital things went well for a while but the pancreas was causing some problems. after 3 investigative operations they took the pancreas back out but then my aorta artery got infected and bled, they used 40 units of blood to keep me alive. when ?i was coming round in intensive care my partner said i told her i died twice. i'm now out of hospital and gone from 14.7 st competition weight - 11 ish and recovering after 6 months. you would'nt think i had ever really picked up a weight. I ventured to the gym last week to test the water going in the afternoon to avoid the weght throwers, grunters and posers which took alot for me to do. starting from the beginning again is psychological painful, and that question arises will it take me as long to get back to what i had. I will persevere. Its good to know others believe that muscle has memory thanks.
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/09/28 12:25:30 (permalink)
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Awesome Steve.  You need to start very slow because exercise places significant stress on all systems of the body.  In a healthy state this is challenging.  In your position, you need to take baby steps.  Your tendons and ligaments need time to rebuild before you put back on the muscle.  Your organs need time to get stronger beofre you stress them.  These are slow processes!
 
You need to insure that nothing you do counteracts what the doctors have done. 
 
For instance, training causes:
- a pro-inflammatory environment - will this cause problems?
- re-distribution of dietary protein and other nutrients - will this cause problems?
- a more acid environment - will this cause problems?
 
The list goes on.  Consult your primary physician and discuss the considerations as far as stresses you should be aware of.  Perhaps talk with the specialists about considerations of any new organs.
 
Additionally, you should probably ask about diet as well.
Will higher essential fat intakes be ok?  You need those to make more hormones!
Will moderate protein be ok?  To help rebuild tissue.
Will moderate to high carb intake be ok?  To give you energy...
 
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/09/29 06:28:28 (permalink)
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Thanks danmirage. I have discussed this with the surgeon a few times, and he laughs knowingingly. and as he has said before to me that if it wasn't for my attitude, determination and fitness I wounld'nt be here now or recovered so quickly. he would'nt have even performed the graft on my aorta because of the amount of stress on my heart and body etc, but lets not go there. It was also said by the taem that they had never seen such a body on a diabetic before now whitch  helped every one.So anyone reading this wondering is it worth all the pain, discomfort, mickey taking etc by those who really don't understand the joy in many forms you get from bodybuilding. I can definately say  "crack on" make it PART of your life. take a look around at all the people that pursue a sport especially if they have gone through something that has physically changed there life, and look at their faces. Train healthy and wise. THANKS.
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RE: Does muscle have memory??? 2007/09/29 09:44:01 (permalink)
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Sounds good!  Get on it!
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Re:Does muscle have memory??? 2009/12/31 12:41:31 (permalink)
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I have always heard that muscle has memory. I truely belivev that. Growing up I was pretty big. I lost intrest and got small very quickly. I picked the weights back up after about 17 yrs. Within 2- 3 weeks I was even bigger than I was when i was a teen. Anytime that i take extended time off, it does take me but about 2 weeks to get to where I was prior. Maybe its psycosematic, but in any event its my reality....
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Re:Does muscle have memory??? 2011/03/24 21:30:33 (permalink)
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  Muscle does have memory.....
Just remember Train Smarter, Not Harder as we age.
   After so many personal injuries, Hernia, etc and  I'm still training over age 50+ It bodes well to keep in touch with how you are feeling and recovering.
 
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Re:Does muscle have memory??? 2011/03/24 22:44:51 (permalink)
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Nice Mac.  Very well said!!
"Train smarter."
 
As to what exactly "harder" means, well, I would say (as a researcher into the effects of exercise and aging) that we need to continually introduce new (not necessarily novel) stimuli. Meaning that, in order to see improvement, stimuli needs to be new to our body at that moment and require the body to elicit a response.
 
Progressions, cycles, tiny variations....these are some key tools!
 
At any age, we can manipulate recovery time based on variation in the volume and intensity of training.  BUT as you noted we still need to...
"keep in touch with how you are feeling and recovering."
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