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RE: Max-Ot Complete Routine - Friday, November 26, 2004 3:38 AM
ok i try to stimulate my mind:)
Now few other questions:
1. Everybody in my gym and i think 90% of bodybuilders don't do like max ot says that negative phase have to be 2 times longer than positive. Now i'am doing negative ant positive phase equal. So if i began to do negative pahse 2times longer, than my weights will decrease 20%~, and i think that if i do negative pahse 2times longer, i my increase will be more in weight, nor in streght. So what is your opinion about this question?
2. And i didn't see in max ot training program what are the barbell take width. I think u understand what i mean. Let's talk about bech press if u take barbell narrow u will train your chest inner side and also your trips, if your barbell take will be flat, than u train your chest sides.. So what are barbell take width? We can also talk about biceps, shoulders and etc. barbell take width..
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RE: Max-Ot Complete Routine - Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:08 AM
I have positive failure question.

Lets say I really struggle with my 5th rep. Do I attempt a 6th rep even though I know I can't do it?

If I do attempt the 6th rep, do I have a spotter help me finish the lift or do I just stop the lift when I can no longer proceed on my own?

Thanks
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RE: Max-Ot Complete Routine - Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:37 PM
waterdog5...

No. Once you reach positive failure, that's it. Don't have a spotter help you with rep 6. If you need help with rep 5 to finish it off, that is what they are there for. But doing rep 6 would be a forced rep. That's not part of the program.

You stop the lift when you can no longer proceed on your own, unless you are right in the middle of the lift and need a spotter to give you a little help to finish the rep. But once they touch the bar and help, you've reached positive failure. Which means you can no longer complete a rep under your own power.

lopas...

Not sure I understand the questions. I just do a good 4 second negative phase. It does wonders for maxing out the intensity. As far as "width" in concerned, the old standard of shoulder width apart is good. Putting your hands closer in on the bench press will just work more triceps. And the wider grip on biceps would put a lot of stress on the elbows and tendons. Again, should width is a good grip. Maybe a tiny bit wider for a bench if that is comfortable.
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Max-OT back exercise???? - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:57 PM
Hey all...

I'm doing my first back workout in my 2nd 8-week cycle of Max-OT (i.e. weeks 10-13). So, I'm actually on Week#1 according to chapter/lesson 12. Looking ahead to Week-2 (week 14-17 for me) the first back exercise is pull-ups. They specify 50 reps, using as many sets it takes to get there. I can barely do a single set of 4 reps. That would take me 12 sets to get to 50 reps! With 2-minute rest, that would take almost 2-hours. This seems somewhat out of line with the rest of the Max-OT workouts (not the time, but the way they specify these reps). Any suggestions as to how I might tackle these using a substitution, etc? Thanks in advance!

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RE: Max-OT back exercise???? - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:15 PM
Assisted pull-up machine would be one option.

I did this routine. It's way out of the norm of Max-OT but damn it was awesome. I got it down to nearly 4 sets. Probably one of the most mentally tough things to do.

It's a great change up to the "lift heavy" every workout.
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RE: Max-OT back exercise???? - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:29 PM

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Assisted pull-up machine would be one option.
I did this routine. It's way out of the norm of Max-OT but damn it was awesome. I got it down to nearly 4 sets. Probably one of the most mentally tough things to do.
It's a great change up to the "lift heavy" every workout.


Hey MDA...great suggestion.....I really like that idea. Problem is that I work out at home and don't have one of those. I have a bench with incline, decline, squat rack and a separate lat machine that supports all kinds of pulldowns and seated rows. Could I just do pull-downs instead? It's the same basic motion as pull-ups? As long as I stay in the parameters of Max-OT, I should be ok, right?
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RE: Max-OT back exercise???? - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:31 PM
You work with what you have.

A pull-down simulates a pull-up in a sense. Considering what you have to work with, I'd say go for it. Try and do 50 of those.

Just don't do wide-grip pulldowns are the next heavy exercise!
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RE: Max-OT back exercise???? - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:35 PM
WOW!!! That was a quick response!! Perhaps I'll load the machine with close to my body weight. I can back it down enough that I can do 50 in a reasonable amount of sets. How many sets is reasonable with a 2 minute rest? Perhaps 5 sets of 10? Oh, the next exercise is close grip v-bar pull-dwons. THANKS!!!
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RE: Max-OT back exercise???? - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:40 PM
Sounds about right.

I didn't rest that long. I just waited until I felt I could go again. I didn't make it a 2 minute rest per set to 50 reps. I just kept going until I got 50 reps.

Then I waited after I was done with 50 reps and moved into the heavy stuff.
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RE: Max-OT back exercise???? - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:36 PM
So, are these 50 reps of pull-ups are supposed to be warm-up sets or work sets? The way they are presented, they look like work sets.
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RE: Max-OT back exercise???? - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:04 PM
Working sets.

I did a couple of light lat pulldowns... then I did the pull-ups as working sets.
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Questions about Max-OT - Friday, December 24, 2004 9:37 PM
Hello everyone. First of all thanks for all this info. The Max-OT method is appealing, but I still have a few questions after reading all 162 pages of it.

If he says train each muscle group once every 5-7 days, why are there two abs days three days apart?

If he says that you should train between 4-6 reps, why does he list various exercises that have up to 10-12 reps?

If he says you should work one, maybe two, body parts per day, why are there various times when you're supposed to work three or four?

Also, how have the increases been in your one rep maxs in bench, squats, and deadlifts?
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RE: Questions about Max-OT - Friday, December 24, 2004 10:48 PM
Welcome to DB dmitri...

1) Abs are different. They can be trained more often the most of the other muscle groups. I believe calves are the same. And you are not training abs to the same overload techniques.

2) I would guess the 10-12 reps that you saw is something of a warm-up. Working sets are 4-6 reps.

3) The 3-4 muscle groups in a day...hummmm... not sure. You'd have to point me to a page. But my guess is that they are smaller muscle groups. I honestly do not remember working any more then 2 muscle groups in a Max-OT session.
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RE: Questions about Max-OT - Saturday, December 25, 2004 12:54 PM
1) Why are abs different? He doesn't explain why. It's not because they are stronger of weaker than any other muscle group. I don't see how they are any different from any other muscles--they're made of the same stuff.

2) The 10-12 reps is definitely no warm-up. He says right before he gives the workouts that they "do not include warm-up sets." Wrist curls are 8-10 on page 134. Leg lifts with added weight are 12-15 and cable crunches are 8-10 on page 137. There is no shortage of these work sets that are outside of the rep range that he says is best.

3) The workout on page 12 is rediculous. And there are multiple times when he has stiff-leg dead lifts as a leg exercise. He says it works hamstrings. It's not a good workout on a certain muscle when that muscle doesn't even move--and they are STIFF-LEG, meaning your legs and hamstrings don't move. So he lists stiff-leg deadlifts as primarily a hamstring exercise and then good mornings as a low-back exercise. They are both low back exercises; in fact they are both almost exactly the same exercise. To see this, look in the mirror and do a good morning with no weight, then do a s-l deadlift. The only difference is where you hold the weight.

I don't want to make it seem like I'm close-minded on Max-OT, but you can see it's full on inconsistencies, not to mention that he really doesn't explain why it works and doesn't cite any studies or have any data--he basically just says that he knows what's best and that you need intensity and overload and 4-6 reps is best. This is fine for the average person who isn't very smart, and that's who he's after and who he's going to sell his supplements to. (And did anyone else notice that he says that all that magazines say is wrong, and that they're all tied to supplement companies, while half of the PDF is him pushing the supplements from the company that he owns? Unbelievable.) I think the program works only because you and friends of mine have said that it worked for them, but after reading all 162 pages, I still don't know why it works. He spends too much time saying how great it is and how big and strong you'll be and how intensity is key, but he never gives a decent explanation or any real data that supports what he's saying. Even though it works, I think it could be modified to be even more successful.

He also needs to learn how to bench.
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RE: Questions about Max-OT - Saturday, December 25, 2004 1:53 PM
For certain muscles, it seems as though the author did decide to go with higher reps- Perhaps because low reps with heavier weight is a lot harder to do with those exercises, or perhaps he just prefers it- I don't think that was clarified. I'm talking about abs and forearms here, and my best guess is that these two muscle groups are heavily depended on in a whole bunch of other movements all week long, so perhaps the author thought it best to go with a lighter workload for them.

When it comes to how Max OT works, I believe it IS explained within the manual- I haven't read it in some time, but you should probably re-read pages 22, 25 and 26- I just got done skimming through and found a decent amount of explanation there- And there's more throughout the manual. The basic theory behind lifting heavier weight with lower reps than a lot of programs out there is this- The body tries its best to adapt to what it's confronted with. If you don't lift weights, you won't get bigger, right? So lifting weight is the trigger to get the body to build muscle- Lifting heavier amounts of weight will push the body to try to adapt to heavier weights- The more weight the body needs to move, the more muscle it needs to build. Overloading the muscle with four to six rep sets is an excellent way to get the body to build more muscle because of the way the body tries to adapt.

When it comes to the big sales pitch for supps- Ignore it if you're not interested. The manual is free, given to you for nothing, and yes, the author is affiliated with AST and I see nothing wrong with him throwing in some detailed ads. Hell, he sat down and wrote the whole thing. Let him push his brand.

When it comes to stiff leg deadlifts, they actually ARE an excellent hamstring exercise- Believe it or not, the hamstrings play a vital role in straightening the body to a standing position. The movement you said was missing is the movement at your waist- Yes, the lower back is involved, but the hams take a pounding also- A lot of beginners think the hams basically curl the lower leg up towards the glutes, because this is the movement you do on a leg curl attatchment- Sure, this does work the hams, but you generally can't use as much weight with that exercise as you can with stiff leg deads. Different movement, but it does work the same muscle. Good mornings are a pretty dangerous exercise because of the placement of the weight- You can use a lot more weight when you're doing stiff leg deads, which means better results according to the principles of Max OT. The fact that it hits the lower back as well as the hamstrings makes it an excellent compound exercise.

Why is it that he needs to learn how to bench?


This is fine for the average person who isn't very smart, and that's who he's after


I think you've just managed to insult a large portion of our membership there- Nice work. I, for one, thought that his explanation of how the program works was clear and well written- I would copy and paste examples here, but I'm not sure about the copyright issues- I'll just ask that you re-read the pages I listed above, and maybe re-read the whole manual. Others have done the same and have not had the same complaints- Perhaps some questions here and there when it comes to clarification, but I've never heard someone say the whole thing was targeted towards stupid people. I do remember some other people complaining about HOW it was written- Sort of repetitive, etc. etc- I can agree with that, but anyone looking for literary masterpieces on bodybuilding websites are looking in the wrong place.
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