Magic Pills for fat loss?

I am constantly responding to posts that ask..

"Will this help me lose fat?" "Does this work?" 

(WE should first define "work."  A weight loss methodology "works" if you lose the fat and have not regained the fat for 2 years.)

I have answered so many of these...
Does CortiSlim work?  Does TrimSpa work? Does Xenadrine EFX work?

Instead of listening to what DOES work, people would rather go for the magic pill.

I should mention that there is a very successful book out that teaches an entrepreneur how to find, produce, and market "miracle fat-loss supplements."  Since you don't have to do any Research and Development or product testing, the initial investment is very small.

The book points out that consumers respond to fat loss from emotion rather than reason and so, simple emotion based marketing will sell a fake fat-loss supplement very successfully.

The thing is, there are so many of these fake "miracle fat loss" pills, powders, and creams that one is trying one cream, pill, or powder after another.

AND I am answering these questions non-stop and not teaching what works!

Just to clarify...on Thursday the FTC levied 25 million dollars in fines against companies that make the products with these claims.  The FTC has to verify that the claim is false and misleading, and it takes a while for the FTC to act on every false claim.

The Federal Trade Commission on Thursday fined the marketers of four weight loss pills $25 million for making false advertising claims.

Fines were levied against marketers of Xenadrine EFX, One A Day Weight Smart, CortiSlim and TrimSpa.

The largest fine was levied against two marketers of Xenadrine EFX, made by New Jersey-based Nutraquest, Inc., formerly known as Cytodyne Technologies.

The marketers will pay at least $8 million and as much as $12.8 million.

A $12 million fine was assessed against seven marketers of CortiSlim and CortiStress. The marketers were identified as Window Rock Health Laboratories, based in Brea, Calif.

The Bayer Corp., based in Morristown, N.J., will pay a $3.2 million civil penalty to settle the claims and agreed to stop ads that say the multivitamins can increase metabolism.

TrimSpa, based in Whippany, N.J., will pay $1.5 million.

The FTC cautioned the estimated 70 million Americans trying to lose weight not to turn to pills.

THAT IS NOT ALL!!!

I can show you page after page with false claims going back decades that have been shut down by the FTC...funny thing is...some of the NEW Miracle-Fat Loss products ARE THE SAME!!!!

Why?  Because, as pointed out in the book I mentioned, if you market it, the FTC will take a while to fine you and in the meantime you will make MILLIONS from the people desperate to lose fat!

The book states that the FTC fines are simply the cost of doing business.

Once they fine you, you change the product and just keep going!

So grab up your common sense and stop trying one pill or powder after another to lose fat.  Did it ever bother you that the last pill or powder didn't work?

Even if a pill or powder did cause you to burn off all your fat...the thing that caused you to get fat in the first place is still there! The fat would come back! You have to change the pattern that led to the fat gain!

The problem is definitely not that you were not taking a pill..so taking a pill is not a long term solution!  The fat would come back!

What you need to do is start a long-term solution! 
Something that will be a life-long shift to health!

You will look better, feel better, have better health, lower you chance of disease, pay less on useless pills...

...And you will LOSE THE FAT FASTER than you will with a false "cure."
Plus, it will stay off.

Enough said?

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I get that question atleast 5 times a day, blahhh.

I consider it part of my job to answer these questions.

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In addition to the above posts, weight-loss pills tend to be strong stimulants, which have numerous downsides to them. Im too lazy to list them all, but they are there

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In addition to the above posts, weight-loss pills tend to be strong stimulants, which have numerous downsides to them. Im too lazy to list them all, but they are there

 
TRUE!

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great post... if only people would actually relize that there is no magic pill. Everything comes from hard work!

It IS my job to answer them, though it can be tiresome. 

well i understand what your saying and most of it is bs. but i went from 220 to 190 with the help of HH. now im not saying i just took that and lost weight, it took doing cardio 2-3xs a week and working out the other 4-5 days, and changing my diet to eat healthier and not "splurge" as much, but HH did help me with energy levels and not being "as hungry" as i usually am. So while i agree there is not a "magic pill", there are however some supplements i believe will help if you are serious about weight loss

So while i agree there is not a "magic pill", there are however some supplements i believe will help if you are serious about weight loss

I would not argue with that in principal.
However, I would not say "will help."
 
If one does not change the lifestyle that lead to the weight gain, then a pill will not be a solution.  No matter how "serious" you are.
 
If one does not learn to follow a long term healthy lifestyle, then there may be recurring issues with fat accumulation.
 
If one does not learn how to shift body composition in a  healthy manner, then it is unlikely one would have any measure of long-term success.
 

well i understand what your saying and most of it is bs.

I was giving facts from the news and from clinical records...where is the bs?
 

but i went from 220 to 190 with the help of HH. now im not saying i just took that and lost weight, it took doing cardio 2-3xs a week and working out the other 4-5 days, and changing my diet to eat healthier and not "splurge" as much, but HH did help me with energy levels and not being "as hungry" as i usually am.

 
HH contains stimulants, diuretics, and appetite suppressants.
That can help or hurt you depending on your goal.
 
I was specifically referrring to FAT loss not just WEIGHT loss.
 
You kost 30 pounds?  How much of that do you think was muscle?   You see the point. 
 
If you gained muscle while you lost fat, you did fantastic.  If you lost mostly fat and a little muscle, you did great.  If you lost muscle, water and a little fat then that was not the ideal loss of weight...and that is what most people experience.  This is why only 5% of weight loss "solutions" succeed, even in controlled clinical settings.
 
If you gain that back in the next year, then, as I said, it was not a solution.  It was a trick.

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yea i lost a little muscle but lost alot of fat. and i was agreeing with you, not saying what you said was bs. i was saying that most of the "fat burning" pills are bs. not what you were saying.

AH, I was wondering...sorry about that!
 

now im not saying i just took that and lost weight, it took doing cardio 2-3xs a week and working out the other 4-5 days, and changing my diet to eat healthier and not "splurge" as much,

 
The key is that you did that and then added something extra...the HH!

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i took cytostrol and lost like 20 lbs in a month, that was 3 months ago and i havent gained anything back yet

As Tom Venuto says in BFFM, If a pill really does have prescription like affects, then not only will the FDA be all over it, the prescription drug companies would be all over it, and charge 3-4X's more for a prescription version and have it banned..
 
Dan, I could not agree more...
 
A person as myself being fat is simply a result of something far worse... bad eating habbits are the cause... the affect is simply the fat...
 
Lipo... Tummy tucks... Gastro's are all simply removing the affects of poor eating habbits and not fixing them....
 
I know someone at work who had gastro... lost over 100 pounds now.... funny thing is she still eats hot wings, and pizza just in smaller portions... and the portions have been slowely getting bigger.... The cycle is starting all over again... except this time the consequences will be far worse...
 
 
The ONLY way we can lose the fat is to first admit this is a result of our behavior... not our parents... not our genes... not the job we have.. US... we did this to ourselves... Only we we accept the blame will we be able to move past it...
 
 

Eat...Lift....Sleep......Repeat

Enjoy the process.. but crave the goal.

I don't blame people.  They are misinformed and lied to.  It's not their fault.
 
However, I do teach people to take responsibility and take charge!
Empowerment and knowledge are where the solution lies.

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Blaming ourselves or taking responsibility is for our own actions is far different than someone blameing us..  This doesnt go for just being over weight... this goes for almost every one of our challenges in life... 99% of what we have, and what we do is based on actions we have made in life...
 
Frankly I am to the point in which I really feel not everyone is ready to lose the weight.... Alot of folks are just not willing to give in to this fact....and dont want to make some life altering decisions...
 
That is what I am meaning... The example I gave was of a friend who continually talks about wanting to lose weight, but made a few bad decisions, more of an example of yet another "miracle fad" of sorts...
 
Although I can say that I did have someone point the fact that it was my fault to me to the point of blame... my boss... I was having health issues, and a multitude of other things, but in the end it was his talk.... which hurt at the time, that helped me drive through this...
 
I dont want people to start getting the impression I am being harsh or such on this... In the end I just really care, and it hurts to see people stuck in this cycle..
 
 

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Yeah the place i used to work got a letter in the mail about how we shouldnt tell customers anything about Cortislim that would lead them to believe it will help them....... lose fat, ect. The letter basically conveyed to us everything Dan just mentioned.

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Many of the pills that do lead to rapid weight loss cause loss of muscle and water and perhaps a small bit of fat. 
Losing muscle and not gaining it back is not something to be proud of.
 
Amazing that the FTC fines Cortislim for false and misleading advertising and it is still advertised the same.
 
It is basically a combination of things that help the body to cope with stress.
Nothing magic there.

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Amazing that the FTC fines Cortislim for false and misleading advertising and it is still advertised the same.

 
Of course the are.... That fine is peanuts compaired to what they are making from that false advetising.... 10 million is nothing compaired to the potential hundreds of millions they stand to make in the future.... until the FTC fines the amount of money made doing this, nothing will change....
 
They are still using it because it works... Until we stop buying into this advertising (I'm guilty of falling for it from time to time) they will continue to use it...
 
 

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Enjoy the process.. but crave the goal.

I agree about the "no magic weight loss pill" comments. It is true, the pills only work when you are actually doing the work (cardio or whatever you may do) to lose the weight. I did find a pill that I consider more of a workout aid though, it is called Thermokinetic and it really changed my workouts big time.  When I started doing cardio I chose the treadmill, I used to call it the dreadmill because I used to hate it that much, it is boring and after 10 min. I was ready to get off. When I tried Thermokinetic and took it 30 min before my workout like they recommended, everything changed and now I am doing 8 incline at 4.0 speed at 40 min a crack and just about daily, the weight poured off because I was doing the work. I attribute the weight loss to the work I did and that the pill gave me the extreme energy I needed to keep at it. For a pill that doesn't contain ephedra, I was very surprised that it worked so well. I have been using it for about 8 months and get the same results everyday. I thought for sure my body would get immune to it, but that has not happened. I bought it on ebay, but I also found it at mysupplementshop.com, but you can do a google search and find it too. I think I paid like $29 for 120 ct bottle, I only take 2 a day 30 min before I hit the treadmill or lift weights. It also makes u pretty alert without any jitters.

Khart.  I am sure you have worked hard, but I have to warn you...the supplement has dangers - mentioned later.
 
Weight loss should not be the goal, fat loss should: not water, muscle, bone or organ weight.
 
Have you tracked your lean body mass.  If not, you should. 
 
If you are losing anything but fat, then I am afraid it may backfire.  I only say that so if it is the case, you don't have to get worried.  You will know what happened and can quickly adjsut diet and training to fix it.
 
The next trick will be when you stop taking the stimulant and your adrenal system is pooped and does not kick in to pick up where the stimulant left off.  Yes, it can cause adrenal exhaustion.  Most people experience a severe and even depressing loss of vigour and energy at the sessation of use of these pills.  There are also some other health risks to consider.  Hypertension being one.
 
If you had done this naturally, you would simply have lost the weight and then eased off on training and gone into a maintenance phase.
 
However, when you stop the stimulant your metabolism may tank and your energy may plummit.  Just be aware.  You need to set up a schedule of eating right and exercising to build up your immune, adrenal, and energy systems again.  This can take as much as 6 weeks.
 
Get your blood pressure checked.
 
OK..well here we go...
  
Thermokinetic
SUPPLEMENT FACTS:
Serving Size: 3 capsules
120 Capsules Per Bottle

Coleus Forskohlii (20%) 100mg
Guggul Lipid Extract (10%) 100mg
Proprietary Blend: 1900mg
Yohimbe Extract, Citrus Aurantium, Caffeine Anhydrous, L-Tyrosine, Guarana Extract (22%), Ginkgo Biloba Extract, White Willow Bark, Ginger Root, Cayenne.
 
In short...Simulants, caffeine..lots of caffeine, aspirin, plus some fluff.
 
Commiphora mukul or Guggul

I have glanced over literature.  The supplement sellers rave about it, the scientific literature is lukewarm at best.

In Ayervedic practice, it has traditionally been combined with other herbs for the treatment of arthritis, skin diseases, pains in the nervous system, obesity, digestive problems, infections in the mouth, and menstrual problems.

In clinical trials of standardized guggul extract (not synthetic), no significant side effects other than occasional mild gastrointestinal distress or allergic skin rashes have been seen.  Laboratory tests conducted in the course of these trials did not reveal any alterations in liver or kidney function, blood cell numbers and appearance, heart function, or blood chemistry.

Three double-blind studies performed in India found evidence that guggul can reduce cholesterol levels. However, the largest placebo-controlled study failed to find benefit.  In fact, the herb seemed to worsen levels of LDL ("bad") cholesterol. The reason for this discrepancy is not clear.

Drugs in the statin family used to reduce cholesterol can cause a potentially serious condition called rhabdomyolysis, in which muscle fibers break down. One case report hints that this could occur with guggul as well.

Bianchi A, Cantu P, Firenzuoli F, et al. Rhabdomyolysis caused by Commiphora mukul, a natural lipid-lowering agent. Ann Pharmacother. 2004;38:1222-5.

Finally the latest review of literature:
Guggul for hyperlipidemia: a review by the Natural Standard Research Collaboration.
Complement Ther Med. 2005 Dec;13(4):279-90. Epub 2005 Sep 23

"At this time, there is not enough scientific evidence to support the use of guggul for any medical condition. Guggul may cause stomach discomfort or allergic rash as well as other serious side effects and interactions. It should be avoided in pregnant or breast-feeding women and in children. Safety of use beyond 4 months has not been well studied."

Over fatness and Obesity are medical conditions...
 
Supposedly, it works by enhancing thyroid function. However, there is little evidence that natural guggul actually affects the thyroid, and one small double-blind, placebo-controlled trial failed to find it effective for weight loss.  Even if it did affect the thyroid..YOU DO NOT WANT TO MESS WITH THYROID FUNCTION!

 
Coleus Forskohlii

Forskolin is a chemical found in the coleus herb that activates the enzyme adenylate cyclase. Andenylate cyclase compound initiates a myriad of critical events and processes within all the cells of the human body. Adenylate cyclase and the chemicals it activates are responsible for executing a number of important hormonal processes. Stimulation that is caused by forskolin supposedly leads to blood vessel dilation, inhibition of allergic reactions, and possibly an increased secretion of thyroid hormone. Forskolin has other reported uses as well, including inhibition of the pro-inflammatory substance known as platelet-activating factor (PAF) 6 and inhibition of the spread of cancer cells.

It has been reported that forskolin may also assist in dilating blood vessels and improving the forcefulness with which the heart pumps blood. Some studies have indicated that forskolin may help to reduce blood pressure and improved heart function in people with cardiomyopathy. However, there is no clear evidence as to whether or not oral supplementation with coleus.

 
 
Yohimbe Extract

Yohimbe is made from the bark of the Pausinystalia johimbe tree found in Africa. Among its chemical constituents, it contains the chemical, yohimbine, which is an FDA-approved drug that is marginally effective for male erectile dysfunction.

 
Citrus Aurantium or Synephrine

Once the supplement manufacturers were forewarned that Ephedra was to be pulled, they knew they needed another magic formula.  Since ephedra was originally from a decongestant...they thought to search there first.  Enter the ex-nasal spray ingredient ..remember neo-synephrine?  Enter Synephrine as the new fat loss supplement. 
 
There is no reliable evidence that Synephrine is effective, and considerable reason to worry that it may cause harm.  The reassuring statement made by some manufacturers that Synephrine offers the "benefits of ephedra without the risks" is not supported by scientific evidence.
 
A Special note on synephrine  - You might feel warm after taking synephrine..that is the constriction of the blood vessels. Constricted blood vessels equals restricted blood flow, and that's the complete opposite of what you want if you're looking to optimize fat burning, yet it may cause a sensation of heat. 

Then there is humor in the claims of "abundant research" on the fat burning effectiveness...it was found to effectively kill mosquitoes and...

Here is the research that is cited to "clinically prove" it is effective for fat loss:
Park JH, Keeley LL. The effect of biogenic amines and their analogs on carbohydrate metabolism in the fat body of Blaberus discoidalis. Gen Comp Endocrinol 1998 Apr;110(1):88-95 
Does this study prove that synephrine will burn fat in your body? Only if you fall into the species categorized as Blaberus discoidalis. Allow me translate Blaberus discoidalis into its more recognizable term. ****roach!

The drug synephrine is known to produce many unpleasant and possibly dangerous side effects, including headache, agitation, rapid heart rate, and heart palpitations. In some people, it can cause angina pectoris, kidney damage, increased pressure in the eye, and reduced blood circulation to the heart and the extremities.
An even less reliable study evaluated the synephrine constituent of Citrus aurantium and found possible "fat burning" actions. 
Hedrei P, Gougeon R. Thermogenic effect of beta-sympathicomimetic compounds extracted from Citrus aurantium. McGill Nutrition and Food Science Center, Royal Victoria Hospital. 1997. 
In view of the weakness of the evidence in favor of Citrus aurantium, and the considerable evidence that it presents health risks, I recommend against using it for fat loss.

 
Caffeine Anhydrous & Guarana Extract

Caffeine.

 
L-Tyrosine

Tyrosine has been proposed as a treatment for various conditions in which mental function is impaired or slowed down, such as fatigue and depression.

 
White Willow Bark

Think- aspirin.  Anti-inflammitory and Increases blood flow.

 
Ginkgo Biloba Extract

Ginkgo biloba extract is widely used for increasing cognitive functions in elderly people, delaying the progression of Alzheimer's disease, increasing blood flow to the legs, treating tinnitus (ringing in the ear) of a circulatory origin, as well as treating depression and asthma.
 
Ginkgo may have some undesirable effects, especially for individuals with blood circulation disorders and those taking anti-coagulants such as aspirin…

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Surprised they added Guarana in there with the Caffiene Anhydrous. Though Dan Mirage focuses on the negatives, there are benefits to supplementing with some of the above mentioned.

Did I focus on the negatives?
 
I only told the reported effectiveness, research findings and, where appropriate, contraindications.

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Well, not on all of them. I agree with some, but I think Tyrosine has benefits that could aid in such a product.

Such as, enhancing mental focus?
 
Don't get me wrong, I am not against supplementation.  Even the use of stimulants, when all counterindications have been addressed, has its place.
 
Keeping in mind that supplements are "the extra" and not "the answer."

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Such as, enhancing mental focus?

What about Norepenephrine? sp? 

Keeping in mind that supplements are "the extra" and not "the answer."

I couldn't agree more.

What about Norepenephrine? sp? 

adrenal stimulation...has some consequences.

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Here;s my question.  Besides giving you added energy, how do these pills claim to burn fat?  You also see a lot of claims of  insane things like "Special Heat Churning liqui-caps" that make it sound like the liquid inside the pill LITERALLY enters your body and melts fat, literally. 

I am interested in how a supplement can help burn fat.  I mean if you think about it, muscle building supplements can genuinely claim to help burn fat, because in the long run all that added muscle will in fact burn fat!  But is it going to do more harm than good for the average, non competitive BBr to take a "fat burning" supplement.


I'm talking about having a really good diet, with 500 sub maintenance calories daily TOPS and an ideal fat loss weight training routine.  Basically my question is, how will a fat burning pill work if taken under the ideal circumstances- as in if you were training to burn fat without the use of a pill and were doing everything right, then added the pill as a true "supplement".  Would the pill kick it up a notch and help you burn fat while, most importantly, sparing muscle?  Or are these pills supposed to just really give anorexic people energy they lack due to insufficient food intake.  I don't mean to take that word lightly, so I'll call them undereaters.
 
P.S.  Should BCAAs be taken in higher amounts when in a cutting phase?

Some of the marketing of Thermogenics are so silly. I wouldn't listen to a thing they say and do your own research to find out which is going to be best for you. Whether or not it's going to burn fat or muscle is up to your diet and training program. Also, I suggest higher levels of BCAA's during a cutting phase, before and after exercise, but I'd have to know how many you intake already. You can reach Toxic levels of Leucine, I believe.

Right now pre workout is No Xplode.  I do it for the energy boost and it's almost more mental than anything.  It gets me pumped.  Even the flavor of it.  Other than that, it's actually kind of a hinderence because you can't eat for 2 hours before you take it, so theres a risk of going too long without eating.  I wonder, can you eat after you take it, as in could I sip on something while working out?  I suppose it all depends on my own tolerance.
 
So no BCAAs there.  I have a scoop of protein PWO, and it has BCAAs in it.  I'll start supping with BCAA powder but will make sure not to go overboard.  Pretty much keep it to pre and post work out.  I definitely won't need NO Xplode during the cutting phase. 

You can reach Toxic levels of Leucine, I believe

That would be very difficult.
 

P.S.  Should BCAAs be taken in higher amounts when in a cutting phase?

Not higher amounts but necessary amounts.
 
15g EAA Pre and Post with (1/4 tsp per 40 pounds ideal weight) BCAA sipped during training would be the ideal
 
In short, there are a few supplemental mechanism for increasing the bodies fat burning potential.

1. General stimulant (caffeine, etc makes you feel more enrgetic though it is NOT energy, it is adrenal stimulation)
   
2. Enhance fat burning pathways at chemical level
   
3. (Nervous) Systemic stimulant (ephedra)
   
4. Thyroid stimulant
   
5. Enhanced circulation/oxigenation/oxidation
   
6. Decreased fat storage mechanisms (lower stress/hormone, lower absorption, lower storage potential)
   
7. Increased muscle storage and activity
   
8. Incresed (or decreased) hormone activity

To name a few.
 
Most of these you can accomplish through simple diet, rest, and progressive exercise.
 
This supplementation should be looked at as a tool that you use after the engine is running and tuned up, not before.  You don't tune up an engine that is not running in the first place...you get it running right first.
 
Many of these have downsides that one should be forwarned of and prepared to address before embarking.
 
In almost every case, a general physical and honest discussinon with your physician can illuminate potential individual risk factors.
 

Basically my question is, how will a fat burning pill work if taken under the ideal circumstances- as in if you were training to burn fat without the use of a pill and were doing everything right, then added the pill as a true "supplement".  Would the pill kick it up a notch and help you burn fat while, most importantly, sparing muscle?

If you are training and eating appropriatly for your goal and losing 1/2 to 2 pounds a week, then why would you need a pill. To lose more than 2 pounds a week risks the loss of lean tissue and the crippling of the metabolism.

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