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Losing Muscle Mass - 5/8/2008 6:41:38 PM
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mcaranda
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I've been working out 5 times a week now for about 5 months. I started out doing 45 minutes of weight training and 15 minutes of cardio. Pretty soon I saw that I was losing too much weight so I stopped doing the cardio as often. For about 3 months, I was bulking up. But now I'm losing muscle mass, particularly in my chest and abs. I'm at 165 pounds right now, when for awhile I was above 170. I'm on a high calorie diet, eating over 4000 calories a day.
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/8/2008 6:47:44 PM
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mr. 209
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have you been getting enough rest?
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/8/2008 7:46:37 PM
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mcaranda
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I'm getting at least a day of rest between each targeted muscle group. I work upper body three days a week, and lower body the other two days. Also, I get between 7 and 9 hours of sleep each night.
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/9/2008 7:58:26 AM
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Maybe he's overtraining ?
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/9/2008 10:19:16 AM
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/9/2008 12:52:59 PM
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mcaranda
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Sorry! No you didn't offend me. I just started typing a post and got cut off and didn't want to have a partial post. Anyway, I've been exercising and lifting for years, just not 5 days a week. I've been doing this routine for 5 months now. Here it is:
Monday:
Incline BP 2 x 10, 2 failure
Flat BP 2 x 10, 2 failure
Flys 2 x 10, 2 failure
Front and Side Arm Raises 4 x 10 each
Bicep Curls 4 x 10
Pull ups 50 reps
Dead Lifts 4 x 10
T-bar 4 x 10
Various Ab Exercises(I try to do about 5 different exercises, 40 reps each)
Tuesday:
Leg Press 2 x 10, 2 failure
Squats 4 x 10
Leg Curls 4 x 10
Leg Extensions 4 x 10
Calve Raises 100 reps
Cardio (When I choose to do it)
Wednesday:
DB Flat Bench Press 2 x 10, 2 failure
Decline BP 2 x 10, 2 failure
Cable Crossovers 2 x 10, 2 failure
Curls 4 x 10
Military 2 x 10, 2 failure
Rear Deltoid Fly 2 x 10, 2 failure
Lat Pulldown 2 x 10, 2 failure
Various Ab Exercises
Thursday: Same as Tuesday
Friday: Same as Monday, but I also do:
Decline BP 2 x 10, 2 failure
Cable Crossovers 2 x 10, 2 failure
I also try to mix it up every now and then. I'll do chest press, incline flys, dips, low rows, etc just for variation.
Another thing: I'm a baseball player, so every day or close to it I go out and throw for 30+ minutes. This is the first year that I have a Spring off from baseball, and I'm trying to bulk up and get stronger for my Summer season. I've always been the small guy on the field at 5'11" 170. I was told to get bigger and I could possibly have a future in baseball so that's what I'm shooting for.
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/10/2008 8:41:04 AM
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MikeMahony
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quote:
ORIGINAL: mcaranda
Sorry! No you didn't offend me. I just started typing a post and got cut off and didn't want to have a partial post. Anyway, I've been exercising and lifting for years, just not 5 days a week. I've been doing this routine for 5 months now. Here it is:
Monday:
Incline BP 2 x 10, 2 failure
Flat BP 2 x 10, 2 failure
Flys 2 x 10, 2 failure
Front and Side Arm Raises 4 x 10 each
Bicep Curls 4 x 10
Pull ups 50 reps
Dead Lifts 4 x 10
T-bar 4 x 10
Various Ab Exercises(I try to do about 5 different exercises, 40 reps each)
Tuesday:
Leg Press 2 x 10, 2 failure
Squats 4 x 10
Leg Curls 4 x 10
Leg Extensions 4 x 10
Calve Raises 100 reps
Cardio (When I choose to do it)
Wednesday:
DB Flat Bench Press 2 x 10, 2 failure
Decline BP 2 x 10, 2 failure
Cable Crossovers 2 x 10, 2 failure
Curls 4 x 10
Military 2 x 10, 2 failure
Rear Deltoid Fly 2 x 10, 2 failure
Lat Pulldown 2 x 10, 2 failure
Various Ab Exercises
Thursday: Same as Tuesday
Friday: Same as Monday, but I also do:
Decline BP 2 x 10, 2 failure
Cable Crossovers 2 x 10, 2 failure
I also try to mix it up every now and then. I'll do chest press, incline flys, dips, low rows, etc just for variation.
Another thing: I'm a baseball player, so every day or close to it I go out and throw for 30+ minutes. This is the first year that I have a Spring off from baseball, and I'm trying to bulk up and get stronger for my Summer season. I've always been the small guy on the field at 5'11" 170. I was told to get bigger and I could possibly have a future in baseball so that's what I'm shooting for.
Others may disagree, but I think your problem is that you are overtraining. You are hitting your chest (for example) 3 times a week. You are hitting your back 3 times a week as well. I personally think you should change this routine as it looks like you're overtraining big time.
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/10/2008 3:51:34 PM
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overtraining is not caused by working a muscle three times a week. If youve been feeling weaker in exercises lately you may be overreaching but if youve been getting weaker and feeling stressed, slower reaction time etc. you could be overtraining. You said you lost muslce mass in your abs?? Sounds to me like your gaining body fat and its covering up your muscle.
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/11/2008 4:59:17 PM
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TheSilverFox
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i also agree with the "overtraining" idea...
but i also think it might partially have to do with a possible plateau. your body gets used to anything over a certain period of time. yes.. i saw you mentioned that you "change it up" once in a while. but maybe you might just COMPLETELY do something different. kind of like.. "shocking" the body.
maybe take a week or so off, and start up a whole new routine?
i do think you're doing too much. (overtraining)
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/11/2008 5:35:23 PM
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If you're eating 4000 cals daily and you're at 170lbs and losing muscle mass.. regardless of what you're eating.. you should be gaining....be it fat or muscle.. if not..something is very wrong..
I'm 5'11 and weight around 215lbs and only eat 4000 cals daily.. and still manage to gain..
Either you're grossly miscalculating your daily cals or your metabolism is through the roof and you need to stop all cardio and only train 3 days per week.. no more..
If you were over-training.. you would know it.. and after looking at that routine you're doing.. I doubt you're any where near an over-training state.. possibly over-reaching as Rollingstone mentioned..
Drop your cals down between 3000-3500 daily and eat only good quality food.. work your ass off 3 times a week and if you don't see fairly noticeable gains in 3-6 months.. I would suggest going to see a doctor..
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/12/2008 3:39:00 PM
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If you're eating 4000 cals daily and you're at 170lbs and losing muscle mass.. regardless of what you're eating.. you should be gaining....be it fat or muscle.. if not..something is very wrong..
I'm 5'11 and weight around 215lbs and only eat 4000 cals daily.. and still manage to gain..
Either you're grossly miscalculating your daily cals or your metabolism is through the roof and you need to stop all cardio and only train 3 days per week.. no more..
If you were over-training.. you would know it.. and after looking at that routine you're doing.. I doubt you're any where near an over-training state.. possibly over-reaching as Rollingstone mentioned..
Drop your cals down between 3000-3500 daily and eat only good quality food.. work your ass off 3 times a week and if you don't see fairly noticeable gains in 3-6 months.. I would suggest going to see a doctor..
damn nice post
and yea the whole overtraining is looked upon as the cause of a problem too often. Like smound said if you were overtraining you would know it. Everyone always wants to ask if theyre overtraining. 99 out of 100 times id say if you have to ask you are not overtraining.
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RE: Losing Muscle Mass - 5/13/2008 5:32:54 PM
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PumaKrieg
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overreaching would be a more accurate term, the phrase overtraining normally happens over long term and comes with physical, mental and emotional deterioration. The phrase "overtraining" is thrown around FAR to much on this forum.
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