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Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/16/2003 3:32:32 PM
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Marc David
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What is the average duration of a typical pro-hormone cycle?
I've seen 4-8 weeks. 8 being the max for advanced users. 4 being the typical, most recommended.
Some go on a longer cycle of 12 weeks.
Just looking for info on this. From the posts so far in the FAQ's.. I don't think I've been over 8 weeks as there is a period when your body will naturally stop producing testosterone and the damage you will do will be irreversible.
Opinions and thoughts welcomed.
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/16/2003 3:36:37 PM
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I think you already know the answer as you included it in your post above. I usually go for 4-6 weeks. Some go for 8. Others go for 12... and yes... there are some people that never stop taking them (dumbass').
There's no set period where your body will stop producing testorsterone... it's basically genetic from my understanding. I may be able to go 3 months without having it effect my natural T production... but you might go 1 week and then run into problems.
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/16/2003 3:47:04 PM
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For prohormones to be effective i've found you have to have longer cycles. They are after all not as strong as the real deal, steroids. Steroids, however, need to be cycled no longer than 12 weeks. Since pro-hormones after to go through a few conversions before they are converted to testosterone, this makes them weaker.
I know one guy, John Berardi, (www.JohnBerardi.com) who uses long cycles of certain pro hormones. He is THE best diet guru around. He is a write for testosterone.net as well.
There is no danger to your health IMO to use long cycles. Is an couple whole eggs a day bad for your health? of course not. But eggs could be considered a pro-hormone, since they contain a lot of cholestrol (215mg per egg), and cholestrol converts to testosterone after about 4 conversions. Although weak, still could be considered a pro-hormone, in theory.
EDIT: I guess i should also mention that as long as post cycle therapy is in check you'll be ok. Thats running clo or nolva a few weeks afterward. Or using an OTC supplement like Biotest's Tribex.
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/17/2003 8:24:27 AM
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I disagree.
The longer your cycle the harder your ednogenous test production is shut down and the harder your recovery.
Comparing something that affects your hormone levels to eating eggs is just silly.
Aside from that most find that their gains subside after 4-6 weeks anyway.
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/17/2003 8:59:30 AM
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quote:
Although weak, still could be considered a pro-hormone, in theory.
Except if I eat 1-2 eggs per day for the rest of my life, my body won't shut down it's production of testosterone.
I think pro-hormones raises your testosterone to supraphysiological levels. I hardly think an egg does the same.
Now while I cannot argue the point, what works for you, as we are all genetically different, I can say that gains do subside after 4-6 weeks and at some point, your body will incur some damage.
99% of the posts I've seen from most bodybuilders on forums and even guys who write about this stuff in-depth, say 8 weeks is the top.. most are 4.. some as long as 6.. 8 at the very max. Never once seen 12 weeks written or posted.
I'm not saying it can't work.. How would I know.. I've not taken Pro-hormones for one day.
But I can say there's a lot of research and real experiences from posts (people who aren't supplement company writers and have no reasons to lie) that would never advocate such a long cycle.
Now if it works for you... you should share those experiences. As it's valid research.
But I think (not know for a fact but think based on numerous reads) that the risks of such a long cycle far out-weight any gains you may see.
Please don't forget that estrogen therapy for women on a prolonged cycle was proven just within the last year or so to have some nasty effects. So I think it's pretty clear that raising your hormone levels high.. unnaturally high.. for prolonged periods of time isn't healthy or safe.
Just be advised. And be cautious.
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/17/2003 9:00:52 AM
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I got to disagree. I was on a 12 week cycle of mag-10 (2 on, 2 off) on the "off" time i was running a tribulis(sp?) supp and an anti-e. had gains throughout. and no negative effects. In fact ever since my 12 weeks cycle my libido has increased, and stayed that way ever since. Its been 7 months since I finished. Maybe i'm a special case. But we can't treat pro-hormones like steroids, they're not the same.
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/17/2003 9:08:11 AM
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by using logic, a cycle per year for several years will not cause your body to completely stop producing test. It taskes several years of one long continous cycle of STEROIDS to do that. One of my steroid using buddies has done god knows how many cycles, he averages 2 per year. has yet to have a health problem. Although when he uses his LDL increases and liver enzymes decrease some, but when he;s off they retrun to normal levels.
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/17/2003 11:14:06 AM
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If you are doing 2 on, 2 off, please explain how that is a 12 week cycle?
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/19/2003 5:36:58 PM
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Define test "booster". Meaning boost exogenous or endogenous test levels?
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RE: Length of a Pro-Hormone Cycle - 10/22/2003 8:04:27 AM
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The product I was using on my "off" period increased endo. test. levels. Anymore questions?
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