Can someone explain it to me? I having trouble figuring it out. How can you loose fat on a high fat, low protein, low carb diet? wtf lol?

I was on bodybuilding.com and it had some ppl with diets that had sausages and lots of other high fat meats and there loosing lotts of bf lol how does that work????

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I think the keto diet is high in protein and fat.  The idea is to make your body go into a state of ketosis.  I don't really agree with ketosis as a long term way to stay healthy.  Fat cannot be oxidized when there is not enough carbohydrate in the diet.  This is b/c the mitochondrial reactions cannot proceed without oxaloacetic acid as a "pickup molecule" in the Kreb's cycle.  When carbs are unavailable, oxaloacetic acid is converted to glucose and becomes unavailable to the Krebs cycle.  Fat oxidation then produces excess ketones, leading to elevated blood ketones, which is called ketosis.  Ketones can be filtered through the kidneys and urinated out.  I don't really agree with this state, because it can potentially result in pH imbalances (ketoacidosis).

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I think the keto diet is high in protein and fat.  The idea is to make your body go into a state of ketosis.  I don't really agree with ketosis as a long term way to stay healthy.  Fat cannot be oxidized when there is not enough carbohydrate in the diet.  This is b/c the mitochondrial reactions cannot proceed without oxaloacetic acid as a "pickup molecule" in the Kreb's cycle.  When carbs are unavailable, oxaloacetic acid is converted to glucose and becomes unavailable to the Krebs cycle.  Fat oxidation then produces excess ketones, leading to elevated blood ketones, which is called ketosis.  Ketones can be filtered through the kidneys and urinated out.  I don't really agree with this state, because it can potentially result in pH imbalances (ketoacidosis).

ketoacidosis doesnt just randomly happen and it wont amount to any harmful conditions unless it is diabetic ketoacidosis or ketoacidosis induced from over consumption of alcohol. so unless the OP is a diabetic he doesnt have to worry about it.

to the OP the reason it works is because the body doesnt have carbs being taken in so it uses fat for fuel. if ur in a calorie deficit u will now be taking fuel (fat) from ur body. another reason it helps a lot of people stay on a diet is because people tend to eat less when carbs arent allowed

haha.. David, IDK why you're still trying to support this diet on this site.
 

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I think the keto diet is high in protein and fat.  The idea is to make your body go into a state of ketosis.  I don't really agree with ketosis as a long term way to stay healthy.  Fat cannot be oxidized when there is not enough carbohydrate in the diet.  This is b/c the mitochondrial reactions cannot proceed without oxaloacetic acid as a "pickup molecule" in the Kreb's cycle.  When carbs are unavailable, oxaloacetic acid is converted to glucose and becomes unavailable to the Krebs cycle.  Fat oxidation then produces excess ketones, leading to elevated blood ketones, which is called ketosis.  Ketones can be filtered through the kidneys and urinated out.  I don't really agree with this state, because it can potentially result in pH imbalances (ketoacidosis).

ketoacidosis doesnt just randomly happen and it wont amount to any harmful conditions unless it is diabetic ketoacidosis or ketoacidosis induced from over consumption of alcohol. so unless the OP is a diabetic he doesnt have to worry about it.

to the OP the reason it works is because the body doesnt have carbs being taken in so it uses fat for fuel. if ur in a calorie deficit u will now be taking fuel (fat) from ur body. another reason it helps a lot of people stay on a diet is because people tend to eat less when carbs arent allowed

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haha.. David, IDK why you're still trying to support this diet on this site.

why, because of me or because most on this site are against it?

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haha.. David, IDK why you're still trying to support this diet on this site.

why, because of me or because most on this site are against it?

 
I'm with David on this one.  I've tried a ton of different things with my body and have found that if I keep my carbs low and my protein and fat high (10/50/40) I get great results.  Right now I'm using the Anabolic Diet and what I like about it is that you do 5 days of 10/50/40 and two days of 30/35/35 to refuel.  It works extremely well.  I find that I have no cravings during the week.  On the weekend I can eat pasta and other carbs and do really well because in addition to changing the macronutrient ratios, I also up the calories.  I do 2800 during the week, 3500 on Saturday and 3800 on Sunday.  I've been getting good results since starting this.
 
Don't knock it until you try it.  I'm sure it isn't for everyone, but there are those of us who's bodies are made for this type of thing so why not do it?
 
 

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I'm with David on this one.  I've tried a ton of different things with my body and have found that if I keep my carbs low and my protein and fat high (10/50/40) I get great results.  Right now I'm using the Anabolic Diet and what I like about it is that you do 5 days of 10/50/40 and two days of 30/35/35 to refuel.  It works extremely well.  I find that I have no cravings during the week.  On the weekend I can eat pasta and other carbs and do really well because in addition to changing the macronutrient ratios, I also up the calories.  I do 2800 during the week, 3500 on Saturday and 3800 on Sunday.  I've been getting good results since starting this.

Don't knock it until you try it.  I'm sure it isn't for everyone, but there are those of us who's bodies are made for this type of thing so why not do it?

how long have u been doing the AD? generally ur actually supposed to get closet to 60% carbs on the carb up but IMO doing that and 2 days is too much. i think 1 day would be better in most cases.

also 10% carbs seems like a lot for during the week, how many grams is that?

that's the problem. fats are deemed as the "bad guys" of the nutrition world, when in reality, they are as important as any other nutritional value out there.  it helps you lose weight by bascially not eating alot of carbs

If his carbs are 10% during the week then he must be doing TKD. But then shouldn't need carb ups. Maybe his body reacts to it better this way.
 
My macros are also 50/40/10; fat/protein/carbs. I don't need carb ups tho. On weekends, non-workout days, my macros become 60/35/5.
Carbs are kept around 30g and they come from almonds only. So most of it is Fiber.
 
MikeMahony: Do you eat carbs before and after workouts?
 

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I'm with David on this one.  I've tried a ton of different things with my body and have found that if I keep my carbs low and my protein and fat high (10/50/40) I get great results.  Right now I'm using the Anabolic Diet and what I like about it is that you do 5 days of 10/50/40 and two days of 30/35/35 to refuel.  It works extremely well.  I find that I have no cravings during the week.  On the weekend I can eat pasta and other carbs and do really well because in addition to changing the macronutrient ratios, I also up the calories.  I do 2800 during the week, 3500 on Saturday and 3800 on Sunday.  I've been getting good results since starting this.

Don't knock it until you try it.  I'm sure it isn't for everyone, but there are those of us who's bodies are made for this type of thing so why not do it?

how long have u been doing the AD? generally ur actually supposed to get closet to 60% carbs on the carb up but IMO doing that and 2 days is too much. i think 1 day would be better in most cases.

also 10% carbs seems like a lot for during the week, how many grams is that?

Meats cost more than pasta, and as my metabolism is faster than light on a lubricated hooker all that botheres me is the price, which is why i never have and never will try keto, because i can get the same growth and fatloss for cheaper

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If his carbs are 10% during the week then he must be doing TKD. But then shouldn't need carb ups. Maybe his body reacts to it better this way.

My macros are also 50/40/10; fat/protein/carbs. I don't need carb ups tho. On weekends, non-workout days, my macros become 60/35/5.
Carbs are kept around 30g and they come from almonds only. So most of it is Fiber.

thats similar to what i might be doing if i start putting on too much fat, no problems with that so far though. it's actually gone done since i started my bulk but overall progress has been slow

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Meats cost more than pasta, and as my metabolism is faster than light on a lubricated hooker all that botheres me is the price, which is why i never have and never will try keto, because i can get the same growth and fatloss for cheaper

yea i would never recommend keto to someone like u where its just unnecessary and would probably hurt overall gains

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that's the problem. fats are deemed as the "bad guys" of the nutrition world, when in reality, they are as important as any other nutritional value out there.  it helps you lose weight by bascially not eating alot of carbs

technically fats are more important since theres no such thing as an essential carbohydrate and you can live without eating any

My carbs are around 70g a day out of 2800 calories.  Yes, I eat some carbs before and after my workout.  Very small amount before, more after.  The macros I posted work for my body and I've tried alot of different macro levels.

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My carbs are around 70g a day out of 2800 calories.  Yes, I eat some carbs before and after my workout.  Very small amount before, more after.  The macros I posted work for my body and I've tried alot of different macro levels.

you do this with the carb load right? i'd be very surprised if you were still actually in ketosis at this point, not that you really need to be for the diet to work. i mean one benefit is of course the extra fat being utilized but just as importantly when bulking is just controlling insulin and not having excess carbs which is why TKD's for a bulk make sense

Monday through Friday:
 
2800 calories
70 g. carbs
350 g. protein
125 g. fat
 
Saturday:
 
3500 calories
262 g. carbs
306 g. protein
136 g. fat
 
Sunday
 
3800 calories
285 g. carbss
332 g. protein
148 g. fat
 
Per the Anabolic Diet structure, you can basically eat anything you want on the weekends, but I believe in keeping it as clean as possible, usually including a cheat meal on Sunday to bring the calories up.  The idea is to refuel the glycogen stores.  You have to pay attention to your body.  If you start to crave more carbs on the weekend (ie. you start overeating) you have to STOP and go low carb cycle until the following weekend.  I find that I manage to do the high carbs for the entire weekend with no problems at all.
 
Hope that clarifies things.
 
 

cool, as long as its working for you thats whats important. doesnt look like ur carbs are too high on the weekends compared to whats recommended/normal (500-1000g) so that could be another reason why your not putting on too much fat. how long have u done this and how much have u gained since?