It seems that 3/4 of you guys never seem to get sore, your so NOT sore you post as to why.

I on the other hand I am always sore, so much so that it doesn't matter. I hobble around more often than not with something or other kinda yelling at me about what I did yesterday, so much so that it doesn't effect my training, I lift when sore, if I didn't I never would.

Recently though my joints are all sore. Last week due to some bad timing and lack of planning, I wanted to lift 2 days in a row, and balked only because my elbows, wrists, hips and shoulders, were all just aching, and stiff. The rest of me could have slugged through, but just moving the bar with a few plates on leftover from the previous workout, made my elbows feel like they would drop out.

Perhaps it has to do with all the power cleans I have been doing.  All that jumping and catching. 

Anybody else with this problem?

 I have been taking Glucosamine and chondrodin and my vitamines the past month or two, I am not always regular with my multi, but when I restricte calories, I am pretty faithful.  

Welcome to the world of heavy lifting. 
 
It puts a toll on your body.  My elbows, knees, shoulders, wrists, lower back, etc... are always just kind of achey. 
 
I was doing sets of 5 for a few months, and it REALLY put a toll on my body.  It got me freakin huge though! 
 
I had to switch to 10's because of a (minor) lower back injury from heavy squatting.  I'm basically doing the same routine as I was doing, except now I'm doing 10's of everything (except deads and cleans, I still do 5's with those). 
 
Now my MUSCLES are sore as hell, but the moderate weight is allowing for my joints to recover and heal up.
 
That's strength training for ya though.  It's fun as hell, isn't it?

ORIGINAL: thehardway

It seems that 3/4 of you guys never seem to get sore, your so NOT sore you post as to why.

I on the other hand I am always sore, so much so that it doesn't matter. I hobble around more often than not with something or other kinda yelling at me about what I did yesterday, so much so that it doesn't effect my training, I lift when sore, if I didn't I never would.

Recently though my joints are all sore. Last week due to some bad timing and lack of planning, I wanted to lift 2 days in a row, and balked only because my elbows, wrists, hips and shoulders, were all just aching, and stiff. The rest of me could have slugged through, but just moving the bar with a few plates on leftover from the previous workout, made my elbows feel like they would drop out.

Perhaps it has to do with all the power cleans I have been doing. All that jumping and catching.

Anybody else with this problem?

I have been taking Glucosamine and chondrodin and my vitamines the past month or two, I am not always regular with my multi, but when I restricte calories, I am pretty faithful.

ָEverything will get sore once in a while, but constant joint soreness is not part of the deal. At least not for someone who doesn't compete. Train light for a week or two, recover and check your form.

That's strength training for ya though. It's fun as hell, isn't it?

I'm tell ya!

Puts you in your place right quick!

I think there was 92 lbs on the bar, (they day I balked,) my elbows and shoulders thought it was 200, I sh*t you not.

Oh well looks like my vaction is actually in 2 weeks, so I think my break, will be just in time.

As long as I am not the only one... I read all these I am never sore posts, (while I have my good days), and think what the hell am I doing something wrong, or am I just old??

ORIGINAL: thehardway

 or am I just old??

 
Yes you are .

It might be a good time to take a little break.

I used to get major back/sciatic nerve pain for a couple of years and I just told myself to get over it.  After a while, I couldn't get out of bed in the mornings without 7 motrin and I decided to see a chiropractor.  Now, I am virtually pain free, but I am still careful with my leg lifts.

Fishoil 4-8g per day
Green tea
cut alcohol

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ָEverything will get sore once in a while, but constant joint soreness is not part of the deal. At least not for someone who doesn't compete. Train light for a week or two, recover and check your form.

That seems like all I am ever doing these days... checking my form. Haha, seriously though, it is.... I have been paying very close attention to everything i do, don't get me wrong I am not perfect, but I am striving to perfect.


So if after every lifting day I am joint sore, and after every kung fu class I am also joint sore, but differently (whipping out those backfists, elbows and shoulders double whammy), but I am recovered by the time my next lifting day mostly (lift, kung fu, lift, kung fu, lift, kung fu, off or light open studio kung fu form practice, my first test is in a couple weeks), just in time to lift again, I should be able to make it till beach week (in 2 weeks)?  (every English teacher I ever had just dropped dead of shame after that paragraph).

I just hate this it happens all the time I have a schedule worked out that; while I am just not hardcore or anything my body just doesn't want to make it to the end of my preplanned cycles, by a matter of a couple weeks.

How bad would it be for the strength I gained to deload, for a week and then take a week off. I know it is better than getting injured ... I guess it is my call dependant on how bad I feel.

I know those stradlle streches I have been doing is making my hips more upset with me, but to a good end I hope.

Another recovery thought, question... for anyone who cares to respond

If I ganged my workouts, basically, lifted and then went to Kung Fu for 1.5 hours. And then had 4 days where I had off, would that allow me better recovery.

I did that twice last week so I didn't skip the workouts I missed, had a decidedly better class at Kung Fu, even Phan said I seemed more energetic (how the hell am I more energetic after 197 lb deadlift??? but he would know in his words he is there to judge us).

As  soon as I got off my bike  back at my house I just died physically, felt pretty aweful through the next afternoon, and then it subsided as all my soreness does.

Better idea, worse idea, stalemate? Knowing me I would feel guilty not working out the other 2-3 days a week, I know I would sneak in another day at Kung Fu.

Oh Danimal, it ios not pain it is sore, but thanks for the suggestion, I have been trying to line up a soilid hour plus massage, some time very, very soon.

And Godzmarine, I have been thinking about fish oil, my omega's are lacking from my diet... alcohol as a a real minimum, at most a beer or 2 a week anymore.

And since I haven't hid anything about my recreational habbits, I even cut the green out 2 hours before bed time, to see if that would help my sleep and recovery....  my informal very short term survey, no differance.

ORIGINAL: thehardway

ORIGINAL: coldfire

ָEverything will get sore once in a while, but constant joint soreness is not part of the deal. At least not for someone who doesn't compete. Train light for a week or two, recover and check your form.

That seems like all I am ever doing these days... checking my form. Haha, seriously though, it is.... I have been paying very close attention to everything i do, don't get me wrong I am not perfect, but I am striving to perfect.


So if after every lifting day I am joint sore, and after every kung fu class I am also joint sore, but differently (whipping out those backfists, elbows and shoulders double whammy), but I am recovered by the time my next lifting day mostly (lift, kung fu, lift, kung fu, lift, kung fu, off or light open studio kung fu form practice, my first test is in a couple weeks), just in time to lift again, I should be able to make it till beach week (in 2 weeks)? (every English teacher I ever had just dropped dead of shame after that paragraph).

I just hate this it happens all the time I have a schedule worked out that; while I am just not hardcore or anything my body just doesn't want to make it to the end of my preplanned cycles, by a matter of a couple weeks.

How bad would it be for the strength I gained to deload, for a week and then take a week off. I know it is better than getting injured ... I guess it is my call dependant on how bad I feel.

I know those stradlle streches I have been doing is making my hips more upset with me, but to a good end I hope.

Another recovery thought, question... for anyone who cares to respond

If I ganged my workouts, basically, lifted and then went to Kung Fu for 1.5 hours. And then had 4 days where I had off, would that allow me better recovery.

I did that twice last week so I didn't skip the workouts I missed, had a decidedly better class at Kung Fu, even Phan said I seemed more energetic (how the hell am I more energetic after 197 lb deadlift??? but he would know in his words he is there to judge us).

As soon as I got off my bike back at my house I just died physically, felt pretty aweful through the next afternoon, and then it subsided as all my soreness does.

Better idea, worse idea, stalemate? Knowing me I would feel guilty not working out the other 2-3 days a week, I know I would sneak in another day at Kung Fu.

Well, it's up to you. You can either train through and see if it goes away, or take a week or two of deload and then continue. Deload doesn't mean not training, just reducing the volume and frequency. Don't take weeks off.

I don't know if it's possible but try to cut the Kung Fu while you deload. I am pretty sure it is worse than lifting weights for your joints.

What I hate is when I wake up with something that's newly sore, and I have no idea how it got that way. Like, today my knee is all wonky, but it was fine yesterday, and the only thing I did yesterday was lay around on my ass.

Drink more water.  It lubricates the joints so it may help alleviate pain.

I can't tell if I p*ss you off or not sometime Hardy, because you don't acknowledge my s*** talking. 
 
Oh well, hopefully I did .
 
Anyway, it can't hurt to take it easy for a week or two.  That's what I always do.  I decided to switch to sets of 10 as a "deload", but I realized that I really enjoy doing higher rep stuff sometimes just for that burn and pumped feeling.

Coldfire your more just so much more hardcore than I, I am not lifting weights on my beach week, well no more than 16 ounces of intoxicating liquids...  If i was going to be home that might be a different story, I could slow down, lighten up, and still lift.

I guess i have to feel it out.

If my little Master Phan saw you advised me to take a week off, he would track you down in Israel, just to smack you around the head and neck . You might be right though it can be very hard on the joints, when done with intensity. I will try (depending on when my test is), to during beach week only do my forms internally, which translates to very, very slow... Thai Chi slow, if not slower. That is very easy on the impact points of the body.

What I hate is when I wake up with something that's newly sore, and I have no idea how it got that way. Like, today my knee is all wonky, but it was fine yesterday, and the only thing I did yesterday was lay around on my ass.

tell me about. I gives you  something to ponder the rest of the day, doesn't it.

I think you and I had the same day yesterday. I think I watched 8 hours of people flipping yesterday, freestyle motor cross, there was some freestyle skateboarding in there too at some point,  Olympic diving trails, and the gymnastic trails. Ok, I did lift in between diving and gymnastics, but that was about it.