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You should take it easy over the weekend. Work into next week slowly. You may need to work more on your back muscles before going heavy again. I worked my back for a year before i went over 200 on a squat and just this week did my first dead in 25+ years. After 40 years of age, once an injury comes, its slow and easy. Or you could be out of the Gym for a while.
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Dawg, I'm going to lay low for a while. Was scheduled to take a week off anyway. Still have to get three boys fed, to school, etc. Yeah, I think I'm going to stay away from the heavy weights (at least for squats and deads) for a good while. Perhaps I should do back extensions too, idk. Have a good weekend! :)
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Do some light Dumb Bell rows when you feel better. Use a Bench for supporting your back with the non-weighted hand your not rowing with. Stay away from Bar Bell Rows since they are not supported and could kill your back. You have a good weekend too!
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Yeah. Agreed ^ DB Rows hit the upper back and posterior delts much harder and can be used with better form. They also take out the lower back and posterior chains isometric stimulation of the movement to stabilize the hips. So I would definitely try them.
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Go easy with the SLDL... they are an easy one to pile weight on to, but also easy to make harder by concentrating on the FULL range of motion, and really working the stretch in the hamstrings. Especially since you are concentrating on aesthetics, and not entering a power lifting, or strong man comp. They are back breakers when you devaite form really good form.. just my 2 cents
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Back injuries SUCK!! Seems like you gotta throw out almost all the best lifts for a while..
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Thanks guys! Question about the SLDLs: The way I do them in a power rack, I take the bar off the pins, then each rep is down then up, with no deload at bottom, then I rack on the pins end of set. Is there too much back stress that way? Should the bar be on the floor and I go up then down and deload after each rep? Also I stand on a 3 inch thick stepper board so I can drop lower but I'm sure that creates more potential for lower back rounding at bottom. I have very good hamstring flexibility from all the yoga and Pilates. Thx! Last evening and night were brutal! Today I think the Aleve is starting to kick in. Ice works wonders too! I'm pretty sure it's just a muscle injury. I really hope the spine is not compromised. I don't think so.
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no deload, if your form is good than go as low as you can even if you have to stand on the box to do it, just don't sacrifice proper back posture for the sake of depth, and if you are bendy, it is almost easier to get carried away.
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Sorry to hear about the back issue. Its not a setback though, just a pain in the rear. Just regroup and work out a way to work around the issue. Since my hamstring tweak, I have discovered cable rows for my lats. Less strain on the hams. My tweaked hamstring is getting better though. Im starting to work in some SLDL again. Still light though. Im keeping knees slightly bent as well. You Did some good work on the HST cycle. Rest, regroup, learn and come back better.
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Thx guys for the thoughts! Means a lot! Mon 9/14/09 Back is much better than I thought it would be by now. The Naproxen (Aleve) takes a good day or two to really kick in for me and now it's doing its thing. Ice does wonders too. I got a ton of sleep over the weekend which did a lot of good as well. I'm reading Rip's Starting Strength and am stoked to give it all a try in the gym, but want to ease back into things due to the injury. Any advice? I'm thinking of doing that Madcow 5x5 program if it will pack on mass to my legs and back. Thx, guys! :) Think I'm going to go to yoga tomorrow but take it easy doing it.
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Let's also remember, while stiff-leg deadlifts are a good exercise for the hamstrings, they are also somewhat "unnatural". When picking something off from the ground, the natural motion is to bend the knees and use your quads, glutes, and lower back - which is why conventional deadlifts are often recommended over stiff-leg. Try to lay the bar down to the ground and pull up, squeeze your glutes at the top of the lift. The top reasons for an injury deals with form, failure to warm up, or lifting too heavy. I don't believe you were probably lifting too heavy but the form could be an issue. Try to always lower it down to the ground.
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MVP Let's also remember, while stiff-leg deadlifts are a good exercise for the hamstrings, they are also somewhat "unnatural". When picking something off from the ground, the natural motion is to bend the knees and use your quads, glutes, and lower back - which is why conventional deadlifts are often recommended over stiff-leg. Try to lay the bar down to the ground and pull up, squeeze your glutes at the top of the lift. The top reasons for an injury deals with form, failure to warm up, or lifting too heavy. I don't believe you were probably lifting too heavy but the form could be an issue. Try to always lower it down to the ground. In reading Rip's book, I think I was really doing RDLs, not SLDLs, since I was starting and ending at the top with no deload at the bottom. Do I have that right? Technically "dead"lifts should involve a deload between reps, or no? And when I do SLDLs my knees are not locked out, they are slightly bent.
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you won your 1st ever FF game....and beat Sheperd at that.....with his own QB....ENJOY...I lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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bulkingup you won your 1st ever FF game....and beat Sheperd at that.....with his own QB....ENJOY...I lost!!!!!!!!!!! Bulking, Thx! I'll chalk it up to beginner's luck! Nice to know I won't end with a big goose egg. What are my chances in Week 2? Good workin' out! :)
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Took a week off for Strategic Deconditioning after 8 weeks of HST. Did nothing! Took the time to read Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength. Great book. My back is 95% healed, but that 5% is still there as reminder to be careful! Another dad from my boys' school came up to me the other day and couldn't stop complimenting me on my physique, and in front of my wife! He's been lifiting as well and has had difficulty putting on muscle. She told him his problem is that he doesn't spend all day on Discuss Bodybuilding! Ouch! Anyway, I called the guy the next day and we talked for an hour. Think I hooked him up with some great advice (that I've learned from DBB!). Can't wait to see whether my advice is more helpful than the trainer who babysits him EVERY workout. He goes to a different gym than me. I'm still on Cloud 9 from his compliments! :) Decided to do 14 weeks of Bill Starr's 5x5 program in hopes of developing my legs and back in particular. Body weight: 108 lb Goal (by Christmas): 120 lb Then perhaps I'll be ready to cut. On the cut hopefully I'll be able to sculpt the mass I have for a summer comp. Posing practice should probably start soon too! Bill Starr 5x5 Linear Version for Intermediate Lifters Mon 09/21/09 9:00 AM Bill Starr 5x5 Week 1 Day 1 Warmup: 5 min. Concept 2 Rower Squat: 5x85 trunk too vertical? 5x105 5x130 focused on knees out 5x150 5x170 focus on hip drive, right adductor cramp Bench: 5x80 5x100 5x120 5x140 5x160 (4+1) need to remember to look @ ceiling, not bar! Row: 5x80 5x100 5x120 5x140 5x160 it will be interesting to see if someone eventually complains about the noise when bar/plates hit floor Assistance: Weighted hypers (2 sets): bwx25, bwx25 Weighted situps (4 sets): bwx15x4 Chinups (20 reps total): 7+6+4+4 (all kipped) Stretch: in whirlpool. Comments: I'm going to feel this one tomorrow! Can definately tell I took a week off! Am going to try to buy some 1.25lb plates at a fitness supply store because 5 lb steps are too high for the 5x5 program. Also going to buy some chalk. In the back of my head, I'm wondering whether I'm outgrowing the Y's free weight room.
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I think he's on the perfect routine. JMBS are you going to use the calculator I posted a while back? It tells you the weight you need to use each week, basically gives you your resistance for you. Do you use a supinated or pronated grip when you row? A good row technique is keeping your back parallel to the floor, arching your back (putting more tension on the upper back) keeping your elbows at 180 degrees and using explosive/fast pulling. I'd do this: Squat Bench Row Chins Squat OHP Deadlift Chins Squat Bench Row Chins I always recommend squats/chins each workout.
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First off, thanks vdk_au! I really need to address hypertrophy as well as strength this cycle if I'm to compete next summer. In a timeless world perhaps I could laser focus in on strength but I don't see that I have the time. MVP, I am using the calculator. I used my 5RMs from the HST. I assumed bench would equal inclined bench from HST. I assumed dead would match SLDLs. Those should be conservative numbers then, no? For row, I think I used what I did in one of N$'s challenges. Those rows seemed pretty light, though. For assistance, I'm doing what's in the program (spreadsheet) *Monday - 2 sets weighted hypers (25reps ea?), 4 sets weighted situps (15reps ea?) (I did just BW this go around). Then I added 20 kipped chinups (enough?) as many sets as necessary to failure to get 20. As time goes on I'll try to reduce kip, switch around to supinated pullups, and widen the grip. *Wednesday - 3 sets wtd situps. I'll add pullups. *Friday - 3 sets wtd dips (5-8reps), 3 sets BB curls (5-8reps), 3 sets tricep extensions (5-8reps). Then I'll add the pullups. I probably ought to get in some calf work somewhere. I called my local fitness supply store. I was hoping they had 1/2 pound discs/plates that I could bring with me to the gym. My gym only has 2 1/2s so I'm going in 5lb steps. Is this the program you were on when you were looking for smaller increments? The guy says he thinks he can order 1 1/4s for me which I could bring to the gym. That would help a lot. I'm also going to pick up some chalk. How important are shoes with no cushion in the heels for squatting? Rip mentions some $200 shoes for squatting. I can tell today that I got a good workout yesterday. Hoping I can go from 208 to 220 by Christmas and then think about a cut. Is it possible to sculpt for a comp on the cut or are you fighting so hard just to keep the muscle mass you have that that's not doable? Thx!
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Do pullups before curls, you'll just exhaust your synergists beforehand otherwise. As far as rowing goes, high reps are fine too. Just as long as you're not neglecting it your shoulders will remain much healthy. I wouldn't add too many movements in though, as far as calves go, I'd wait until the next cycle to do them. If Bill Starr didn't include them then just do the program as it is. Next time around I'd include seated/standing calf raises. It's important to do both because standing targets more of the gastrocnemius and seated targets more of the soleus.
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MVP, First off about the calves: You're right. I'm going to drop them this cycle. They're already decent, imo, and I worked them heavy on HST (700 lb leg sled). They are extremely flexible and I never get pain stretching them. HOWEVER, my heels (especially left) have been hurting lately sort of like shin splints. My yoga/Pilates instructor says it could be my Achille's tendon pulling away from my heel bone. She says that is a LONG recovery. So I'm staying away. There's no need now anyway. I'll do pullups/chinups before curls. Regarding rowing, are you talking of the warmup on the rowing machine or the 5x5 rows? I am concerned that "dropping" the bar on rows and deads is going to get me into trouble at my Y gym. If I could lower the weight and up the reps there would probably be less clanging. Same w/deads. I like it so far, but I fear I may be starting too heavy, as the last reps of the last set of each exercise are pretty tough. Thanks, MVP!
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Tue 09/22/09 12:00 Yoga (60 min): Nice class. I really need the yoga because the higher volume compounds tightens my muscles and they need to be stretched. Wed 09/23/09 5:15 AM Bill Starr 5x5 Week 1 Day 2 Warmup: 5 min. Concept 2 Rower Squat: 5x85 5x105 5x130 5x130 tough SOH Press: 5x70 5x85 5x95 5x110 last rep brutal! Deadlift: 5x150 5x175 5x205 5x235 (4+1) whoa! I'm so concerned about noise on the "drop" that I think there's a lot of time under tension on the concentric too. Assistance: Weighted situps (3 sets): will address abs in Pilates Chinups (20 reps total): 8 (low kip) + 3 + 3 + 3 (ugly!) + 3 (w/toe push) = 20. I may switch these up to hops up, hold at top, and then slow neg down. Stretch: will do in Pilates. Very short on time! Workout time: 45 min. (had to get back home to help get kids off to school) Comments: Again, weights seem like I may be starting too ambitious. But I'll just keep plodding ahead and see how soon I stall or form breaks down. I really want to maintain form, especially with the lower back. I can tell the 5x5 is going to be brutal and if I eat enough, I'll pack on some beef, no doubt! 4:15 P.M. Pilates: Only 2 people showed up, so personal attention was nice. I'm definately tight from the lifting. Was good to stretch out but I didn't dare stretch as far as I have in the past. I need to do more stretching now that the workout volume per exercise is increased. I slept like a baby last night.
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