Is milk actually a poison?

just read an article on how milk is actually really bad for your body
http://www.notmilk.com/forum/853.html
I say its bullcrap... but i have a friend (my girlfriend) who is absolutely standing by it...

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IMO milk is for babies, 3 months and thats it.  Cow milk is for calves not humans.  Don't get me wrong, I use Dairy and milk in my coffee but I still believe it is not meant for us to use at our age and species and I sure don't want no mamas milk either, yuck!
Most animals and humans stop after 3 months, it is made and meant for nourishing babies.  But humans eat anything..........just look at canibals, carnivores, humans are survivor species so they adapt and eat anything.
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what do u mean most ppl stop drinking milk at 3 months? almost every1 i know drinks it and i love it.

Since lactose tolerance is a relatively recent mutation, and the mutation is spreading, that would seem to imply that it confers a biological advantage.

On the other hand, knowing the evolutionary history of mammary glands (that they probably evolved from sweat/mucus glands), tends to make milk a little less appetizing.

I drink like a litre of milk a day, I feel fine.

There is alot of stuff like that article out lately.  There has been several "diet plans" that are shunning milk usage.  All of a sudden it is toxic to humans.........well, who knows, the government wouldn't tell us either way and why would they care if we get poisoned by this "toxic milk", they don't seem to care that all those fast food places are killing people, and cigarettes, and booze. 
I use milk, and I have tried not using milk, as an experiment, and I did not get the "relief" that these diets without milk are promising, nor do I get any symtoms they mention when I drink it.  Take anything you read on the internet with a grain of salt........but not too much, that is unhealthy too!!

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What Linda means is human beings are the only mammals that continue to drink milk voluntarily after they've been naturally weened off it.  And I'll second her sentiments about the stuff -cow's milk is for baby cows.  It is a legitimate biological absurdity that human beings consume cow's milk (or that of any other mammal, for that matter) at all.

Would anyone think it was normal for a human female to nurse a calf from her own breast?

Make no mistake, people, the dairy industry is one of the richest, most influential, and most powerful lobbies in the history of American politics.  Their advertizing budget is obscenely huge.  Their influence is so pervasive, that they can buy the complicity of the medical establishment, manufacture clinical results to suit their profit incentives, and propogate misleading claims on an epic scale.  The claims being made by the National Dairy Council here in the United States are nothing short of blatant propaganda.

But people are suckers for anything that smacks of science, so they swallow everything the dairy industry feeds them, and take affront to anyone who would call the bluff.

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There are a lot of things that are uniquely human, that set us apart from all other animals. If that's the standard by which we judge if something is bad for us, there's going to be a lot of other stuff we're going to have to give up.

There may be legitimate health or moral reasons to avoid dairy, but I don't think being a biological absurdity is really one of them. It's not even unique - there are species of ants that tend to flocks of aphids that poop out food for them. Many other species live in symbiotic relationships where one helps feed the other, like lichens, or corals and algae.

Nature is full of the strange and bizzare and absurd.

Sorry, I don't buy it.  Not even with Brett's impassioned post.

Milk has been part of civilization for eons. 

And by golly, I'm not giving up my cheese, whether it be from cow, goat, ewe . . .

Oh yeah.  Or my whey protein.

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NO  one is saying to give up anything you don't want to nor saying its outright bad..........just pointing out some facts.
I believe all the info against milk, but still do use it.........so I am doing so aware of the possible negativity.  I don't stop whey nor some milk items by choice but that does not change the facts.  We don't want to go on mad at the info just because we don't like what it says cuz it won't make it true or untrue, but we should just be open to it.....just incase we are wrong and the info is not......I hope that clears my point a bit more.
Like smokers who don't believe it will hurt them, does not make it any less true that it CAN, some people are just lucky.

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NO  one is saying to give up anything you don't want to nor saying its outright bad..........just pointing out some facts.
I believe all the info against milk, but still do use it.........so I am doing so aware of the possible negativity.  I don't stop whey nor some milk items by choice but that does not change the facts.  We don't want to go on mad at the info just because we don't like what it says cuz it won't make it true or untrue, but we should just be open to it.....just incase we are wrong and the info is not......I hope that clears my point a bit more.
Like smokers who don't believe it will hurt them, does not make it any less true that it CAN, some people are just lucky.

Linda

No, I didn't mean it as an attack on anyone here!

I've considered their arguments, and I think they are without substantial merit.

But even if I did agree (which I don't), I'd be willing to poison myself!

I do believe that livestock should be raised and slaughtered humanely.  In the case of dairy cows, I think that they should be pastured, munching on real grass in the open air (or hay in the winter), not administered unnecessary exogenous substances (including bGH), and should allow nature to have her way with them, or at least as much as she can for the animals we have bred.

BTW, if you've never had milk from a pastured cow, you've just never had milk.  Whenever I can lay my hooves on it, there's this stuff produced by an Amish cooperative that has grass-fed cows and is low-heat pasteurized and non-homogenized.  It's heaven.  You'll NEVER drink industrial agriculturally produced milk again!!!

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What Linda means is human beings are the only mammals that continue to drink milk voluntarily after they've been naturally weened off it.  And I'll second her sentiments about the stuff -cow's milk is for baby cows.  It is a legitimate biological absurdity that human beings consume cow's milk (or that of any other mammal, for that matter) at all.

Would anyone think it was normal for a human female to nurse a calf from her own breast?

Make no mistake, people, the dairy industry is one of the richest, most influential, and most powerful lobbies in the history of American politics.  Their advertizing budget is obscenely huge.  Their influence is so pervasive, that they can buy the complicity of the medical establishment, manufacture clinical results to suit their profit incentives, and propogate misleading claims on an epic scale.  The claims being made by the National Dairy Council here in the United States are nothing short of blatant propaganda.

But people are suckers for anything that smacks of science, so they swallow everything the dairy industry feeds them, and take affront to anyone who would call the bluff.

Bret, I'm guessing you don't drink milk, hey? ;)

BTW, if you've never had milk from a pastured cow, you've just never had milk.  Whenever I can lay my hooves on it, there's this stuff produced by an Amish cooperative that has grass-fed cows and is low-heat pasteurized and non-homogenized.  It's heaven.  You'll NEVER drink industrial agriculturally produced milk again!!!

 
Yeah I don't know about Amish milk but there's organic milk that uses milk from free range cows with no hormones and other additives. I usually drink that.
Though to be honest there's not much difference, other then it costs 6 times as much as regular milk.
 

I believe it, he also made the site www.dorway.com explaining aspartame and fake sugar warnings back in 1995. I posted it up here about 2 years ago all I got was the hatemail, until companies started pulling it off the shelves you guys go "gee, well the rest of the herd agrees, I guess I will too"

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Bret, I'm guessing you don't drink milk, hey? ;)

What gave it away?  HA HA HA HA

No.  Seriously, like Linda, I do use whey protein, and I don't pitch a hissy over the occasional ice cream or (as the Z-Man pointed out) cheesey topping.  But, for the most part, I'm strictly soy these days.

I pour it on cereal, mix my protein shakes with it, and (of course) it's how I snobbily order my "Grande Chai Lattes" at 'Bucks.

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