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Friday, February 20, 2009 9:55 AM
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Hi, my name is joe and im 16. I am currently 6 foot and around 185 lbs. I have been training for only 5 months now in which i never realized how important squats/deadlifts/cleans are in muscle growth. I always thought, " oh well i only want gains in my chest or biceps so why do squats?" I recently( this past week) started incorporating squats/deadlifts into my routine. But i have many questions regarding my previous routine in which i never did squats, etc. My first question is moving up 60 lbs in benchpress, 60 pounds in bicep curl within 5 months good or should i of had higher gains? I also was wondering if not doing squats/deadlifts effected my gains in the areas that i was attempting to build during these 5 months. During the past 5 months that i trained, I slacked off some of the time through feeding myself crap but i also made sure i consumed a healthy dinner most of the week consisting of high protein and high calories. Maybe not staying consistent with my diet effected my gains? I also never did diverse exercises for each muscle group, for example when i did chest/tris- i only did high weight low reps flat bench press than low weight high reps flat bench press than that would be it for the week for chest/tris. Maybe this could of effected my gains also? I havent really seen too many improvements in my abs, maybe because i need to lower my BF? I also have seen some improvements in my other muscle groups but I want to see more so Im wondering if this new revised routine/diet would be highly beneficial to me as I continue my journey : Monday : Chest/tri/Abs - flat bench press : high weight of 2-6 reps in 3 sets. flat bench press : low weight of 12-15 reps in 3 sets???? flys : high weight or low weight ? tricep pullover high weight of 2-6 reps in 3 sets tricep kickback low weight of 12-15 reps in 3 sets 100 straight regular crunches 6 diverse ab exericses of 20 reps, ex: leg raises, toe touches etc. 3 sets of weight crunches (20-30 reps) Tuesday : Off Wensday : Abs 100 straight regular crunches 6 diverse ab exericses of 20 reps, ex: leg raises, toe touches etc. 3 sets of weight crunches (20-30 reps) Thursday : Legs/Abs Squat - high weight 3 sets of 5 reps Squat - low weight 3 sets of 15-20???? deadlift - 1 rep of max weight deadlift - 3 sets of 5 reps with a lower weight leg curls : 3 sets of 12 reps?? 100 straight regular crunches 6 diverse ab exericses of 20 reps, ex: leg raises, toe touches etc. 3 sets of weight crunches (20-30 reps) Friday : Back/Bi bicep curl with bar - high weight of 2-6 reps in 3 sets seated dumbell curls - low weight of 12-15 reps in 3 sets crazy eights - 1 set Lat pull over with dumbell - high weight of 2-6 reps in 3 sets Rows - lower weight with 12-15 reps in 3 sets Side lateral raises - lower weight with 12-15 reps in 3 sets Saturday : Shoulders/Abs shoulder press - high weight of 2-6 reps in 3 sets shoulder press - low weight of 12-15 reps in 3 sets shoulder raises - low weight of 12-15 reps in 3 sets 100 straight regular crunches 6 diverse ab exericses of 20 reps, ex: leg raises, toe touches etc. 3 sets of weight crunches (20-30 reps) Sunday : off During the week, I tend to eat whole grain cereal with a banana and whole grain nurtrition bar with a water each morning. For lunch, I usually have lunchmeat on wheat bread or sometimes a baked chicken sandwhich on wheat along with a banana, orange, pretzels, nutrition bar and water. When i get home from school, I usually have another peice of fruit and pretzels or sandwhich along with water water water. At dinner, I will load up on meats, carbs and veggies and have another bottle of water. I rarely have a dessert such as candy, cake, etc. and for the most part i stay away from processed and fried foods. I barely drink anything besides water and milk. I also eat a lot of fruit along with whole grain products. Also, I never took a supplement before but im considering taking creatin and or protein shake/bar. My main goal is to bulk up in all areas of my body to a point in which im satisfied. I have a feeling there are many things wrong with my schedule such as doing low weight high reps in every exercise, having ab workouts too oftenly and only doing every muscle group ( besides abs) once a week. So any advice would be highly appreciated! Thanks :D.
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Re:In need of help
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Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:17 AM
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I feel like I have answered this thread already, but the post didn't show up..but whatever I am gonna do a short version..sorry don't exactly feel like writing a long thing again..For your first 5 months I would say putting 60 lb. on your bench press is pretty good, above average but nothing amazing if that's what you were wondering. Also no one really does Curl maxes, but 60 lb. would be HUGE make sure your form is still good on it. If your bulking honestly just eat a crap load of food, some of the people on here are BIG health freaks, and for the most part I agree with them if your cutting, but when your bulking just make sure it's not mcdonalds 3 times a day. 100 Crunches isn't going to help your abs much..Stick to weighted crunches and other exercises for 12-20 reps. Your diet looks pretty good for bulking, but saying as I don't know how big these servings are I can't say if it is enough or not. You seem like you have alot of good beginning knowledge about lifting, and your program isn't bad, but Look into a full body routine like starting strength or something that hits your whole body 3 times a week. You will see good strength and size gains from it if you follow the program, and your eating ALOT. Hope this helps.
Goals by end of 2009: Bench 205 Squat 255 ATG Squat Clean 185 "There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."
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joe2244
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Re:In need of help
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:31 AM
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Yea it does help a lot thanks, but how come doing 100 crunches wont help me as much as doing 12-20 reps of weighted crunches, etc? Is it similar to when you want big chest/tri gains you lift higher weight lower reps instead of lower weight high reps? Also, when I work out each muscle group during the week, that muscle is usually too sore to be worked out gain, hence why i only work out each muscle group a week ( except abs ). And yes I eat as much as possible and haven't taken any supplements yet, so maybe I should start taking them? Thanks again.
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Re:In need of help
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:20 PM
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Well abs are alot like other muscles, but do respond better to semi higher reps, which is why you don't see many people go below 8 or even 12 reps with abs, so yes you could say it is like when you want chest or tricep gains. Since you just started doing squats and deads I can definitly see how you are sore after 1 workout a week. Since it is a new lift to you it will proably take you a few weeks to get more used to it. But also you don't have to wait until a muscle is fully recovered to work them again. With starting strength (the program I reccomended in the first post) you are squatting 3x a week (yes I know it sounds like alot) and doing all of the other exercises 3 times every 2 weeks. It sounds like alot, but once you start doing it, it wouldn't feel so bad. And you could cut the sets and reps from 5x5 to 3x5-4x5 if it is just to much. And other than whey I don't really take any supplements, but yes I would look into whey and probably a multi vitamin.
Goals by end of 2009: Bench 205 Squat 255 ATG Squat Clean 185 "There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."
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Re:In need of help
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:23 PM
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Alright so ill choose a weight that allows me to do only 20-25ish crunches each set. Also, I am really comfortable with my routine and as you said, my gains are above average so should i still look into your reccomended program? And one of my friends encouraged me to take creatin.
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