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Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:16 AM
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Keep in mind, no squats or dead lifts cause of my injury. However, I recently discovered that leg curls and calf raises don't hurt me, so, I added those. Monday: 5x5 Bench (75% of 1rm) 5x5 OH Press (50-60lbs) 3x5 Dips 4 sets of Calf raises (15,10,10,15) 4 sets of leg curls (15,10,10,15) 3x5 Lat pull downs Wendsay: 5x5 Bench (5lbs. less than Mon) 5x5 OH Press (Bar) 4 sets of Calf Raises, 5lbs less 4 sets of Calf Raise, 5lbs less Friday: Warmup Bench: 1x5, 70% of 1rm 1x1 Bench (Currently 125) OH Press warmup: 1x5 50lbs 1x1 OH press (currently just under 90) 4 sets of Calf Raises, Monday style 4 sets of Leg Curls, Monday Style
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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:35 PM
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I already see something wrong - no horizontal pulls. If you push in a plane you should pull in it, if the joint is capable of flexing and extending it should be flexed and extended against an resistive force. Include barbell rows.
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:52 AM
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I was waiting for someone to answer this. NMoney didn't though answer it although I thought he might have. :) Crea0tine, look up on the Internet for Texas Method because the routine you designed isn't very good. You have bench and oh press on same day as monday, and then again on Wednesday. This isn't how Texas Method is designed.
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:36 AM
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Ok. Man, I really thought this was a solid routine.... lol
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:51 AM
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Nope, anytime you push something away from your body you should pull it towards your body for balance at the joint. The opposite of extension is flexsion; if the joint is capable of pushing and pulling it should push and pull. Flexsion is involved with any extension but the part of the range of motion where flexsion occurs is eccentric and therefore you're working with gravity and not against it. When you work against gravity, the muscle shortens. When you're working with gravity - the muscle is trying to shorten but is being forced to lengthen due the resistive force being greater than the force generated through the muscle contraction. Every routine that has a horizontal push should require a horizontal pull; every routine that requires a vertical push should require a vertical pull. Balanced training is working the joint within it's natural capabilities and nothing less.
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:49 AM
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Alright. I'll for sure ad the rows, but vdk said that I shouldn't do OH press and bench on same day. Will this hurt my growth, or does it just contradict Texas Method principles?
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:52 AM
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Both. The agonist muscle in the overhead press is the anterior delts, they are synergists during a bench press. So they will be somewhat exhausted before overhead pressing.
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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:34 PM
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This is currently my routine. Texa's Method is basically a template, so you don't need to follow it strictly, but rather follow the basica principles. Monday Bench Press: 5x5 Rows: 5x5 Squats: 5x5 Bicep curls: 3x8 (assistance exercise) Wednesday Overhead Press: 5x5 Deadlift: 1x5 (Ramping to 5 sets) Calf Raises: 3x10 Core Work: 3 x failure Friday Bench Press: 1x5 Chinups: 3x5 Rows: 1x5 Squats: 1x5 This is based on my own needs and experience. Most of the people recommend doing the most taxing exercises first, but for me it screws me up for the rest of the exercises. In addition, Deadlift is done on Friday in the original Texas Method, however I changed it to Wednesday simply because doing squats, bench and deadlift all on the same day is too much for me.
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:25 AM
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Ok, that looks like something I could use. I can't do the squats or deadlifts, so I may just substitute them for leg curls and extensions. On the rows, how much % of max should I be doing?
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:50 PM
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What exactly is your injury? You could always start light with the squats, and deadlifts and work your way up slowly.
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:11 PM
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What injury? The Texas program won't be half as effective without squats and deadlifts. Two biggest mass building movements there is.
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:51 PM
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On the rows, how much % of max should I be doing? Do you mean for the 5x5? I don't usually go by % of your 1 rep max, but rather through 5 reps itself. For all your exercises, maybe establish all your 5 rep maxes for your exercises, and drop it down by say 10lbs or so, and use that weight as your 5x5. Don't rely on a % value of your 1 rep max. BTW, I'm wondering how much do you weigh and how long have you been training. It's just that your bench doesn't seem to be that impressive (although it's like mine, but I have my strongpoints :P). If you haven't been training long, Texa's method is NOT FOR YOU. You'll make much slower gains as it's based on weekly increases, rather than some other routines where you'll make progress from workout to workout
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:06 PM
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Looking back at your lifts I agree with V, you won't respond that well to the Texas Method. Something like this might benefit you better. Workout A: Squat Flat Bench BB Row Stiff-leg deadlift Workout B: Squat OH Press Pullup Hamstring Curl 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps for each movement.
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:05 PM
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yeah thats not going to be very good. Im sure you will see some gains, but they wont be what you could be doing if you could do squats and deadlifts. What injury are you dealing with? Beginners need to focus on adding weight every workout. This is called linear progression and can be done for quite some time as a beginner. Even deloading and continuing it some more works. Texas method is designed for periodazation progress, which could mean anything from making gains from 1 week, to 1 month to several months depending on how advanced you are in training. As a general rule, the more advanced you are the longer it will take make new records. Something like what MVP suggested is what you want to look into, an A/B workout that you alternate 3 weeks. It really is imperative your able to squat and deadlift, but if your dealing with an injury your just going to have to make due. Workout A.) Bench Rows Lunges assistance exercises: 2xabs, 2xdips Workout B.) OH press Weighted pull ups Power Cleans assistance exercises: 2x abs, 2xdips each exercise 3x5 worksets, with about 2-3 sets of warm ups. You can play with that, but its just something put together with no deadlifts and squats... but yeah I would save a texas method cycle until you have more time under the bar and have had 6-12 months of solid squating/deadlifting.
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Re:Improv Texas Method
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:18 PM
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I dug up on the Texas method from this site >> http://stronglifts.com/...or-intermediate-lifters/ This is what I made out of it from the file that Rippetoe had wrote. Day 1 Squat: 5X5 Press: 5X5 Row: 5X5 Dips: 3X5 Day 3 Front Squat: 3X3 Bench Press: 3X3 Row: 3X3 Power Clean: 3X3 Day 5 Squat: 1X1 Press: 1X1 Deadlift: 1X1 Pullup: 5X5 That's a good program. I've read Starting strength, I haven't read Practical Programming. So my comments aren't as formative as a lot of the other guys on here more familiar with Rippetoe's writing - N$, brihead, vdk, etc.
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:47 PM
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Ok then.... well this kind of sucks. I was liking Texas method a lot. i've put on about 5lbs. on bench. Anywyas, yeah, i've been serious about training since i joined this site.... so I think January(????) Yeah, my new bench is 130. Gone up 30 pounds since I joined here... Ok, so i'll do that one MVP suggested. Do i do it A/B twice a week?
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:51 PM
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Nope, three times week. Example, Monday- A workout Wednesday- B workout Friday- A workout Next week, Monday- B workout Wednesday- A workout Friday- B workout continue like that- it should go A,B,A,B,A,B,A,B,... Workout A: Quad Dominant Movement- Squat Hamstring Dominant Movement- Stiff-leg deadlift Horizontal Push- Flat Bench Horizontal Pull- BB Row Workout B: Quad Dominant Movement- Squat Vertical Push- OH Press Vertical Pull- Pullup Posterior Chain Dominant Movement- Power Clean
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:57 PM
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you still havent told us what injury your dealing with (why you cant squat/dead) can you do lunges? These would be a good alternative until your able to squat/dead
6'3" @215 Squat 1x20x275 press: 190, Deadlift: 450, Bench:285, P.clean: 235, Squat: 385 "The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:01 PM
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I'm dealing with a growth plate injury. Sadly, nothing that puts pressure on my knees. I can't even squat down without wincing. My mom was SUPPOSED to take me to see the specialist last week, but it never happened
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:18 PM
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What about lunges? N$ brings up a good point concerning them. Have you tried those? Them and stiff-leg deadlifts would be good (temporary) alternatives.
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:25 PM
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Tried lunges about a month ago. It was EXTREMLY painful. Stiggleg deadlifts, I haven't done. I'll try them
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:31 PM
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All quad dominant movements involve knee extension, luckily hamstring stimulus can come from an alternative method (hip extension) but then again you have hip flexsion too, coming from the rectis femoris and the illiopsoas, however in order for balanced quad development you would want to work the other three muscles that make up the quads - the sartorius (largest muscle in the human body), the vastus lateralis, and vastus mediais. The leg extension is an isolated alternative (once again temporarily) but the agonist muscle would once again be the rectus femoris and the quads need worked more as a whole. Ugh, I hate to say it but what about leg presses?
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:54 PM
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I doubt leg press would be of any use to him since he cant put pressure on his knees. I suppose stick to SL deads, glute/ham machines and the leg isolations he can do without pain. Any leg work at this point is better then none at all.
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:57 PM
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Yeah he PM'ed me and said hamstring curls and leg extensions were all he could do. They are much better than nothing at all, although I would still label them as temporary. Stiff-leg deadlifts, leg extensions, and hamstring curls.
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Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:59 PM
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^x2 Yup. as soon as I get back out of this injury, I'm gonna dive right into them.
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Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:07 AM
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what about good mornings for hamstrings as an alternative to SLDL. Not saying don't do SLDL as they are great exercises but if u wanna swap them around once and a while for variation.
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