Getting Tired of seeing no results critique please;

_Virtuoso_

PumaKrieg


50 pounds added to his frame would be crazy. 5'8 200-205 pounds with low body fat %?

A 5'8 guy couldn't be 205 with a low bodyfat

Depends upon how low you think low is. I'm fairly confident that there are people out there who are 5'8 200 at 8-12% bodyfat.

I would think only the guys who have heavily juiced and trained for years could be in single digits at that height and weight.

V,
    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

I didn't realize he was 5'8".....I was thinking around 6'0" which is why I thought 200 lbs. was a good weight.

Still 30 more lbs. plus lots of heavy lifting is the way to go.....

"True genius, in many fields of human endeavor, is often revealed in elegant simplicity."

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i seen a few guys around 200 - 230lbs at 6% BF..   But they are all in their 30's and have trained over 10 years.

I need to find a workout rejime that helps build muscle. Can you guys help with thiiiis? I am still hella scrawny.

Starting strength + a lot of food = muscle

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_Virtuoso_


Yeh, also just want to mention if you are doing 1x5 deadlift, then that usually includes 2 ramping sets, so 75% and 90% of your 5 rep max, before doing your final set at 100%

does ramping sets work for bench, nose breakers, mailitry press etc??

What's the diff between a nosebreaker and a skullcrusher?  I'd like to build a cool-name workout!  ;)

DEADlifts
noseBREAKERS
skullCRUSHERS

YEAH!

hillbillyfred

_Virtuoso_


Yeh, also just want to mention if you are doing 1x5 deadlift, then that usually includes 2 ramping sets, so 75% and 90% of your 5 rep max, before doing your final set at 100%

does ramping sets work for bench, nose breakers, mailitry press etc??

I'd really only do it on the big lifts, so bench, dead, squat and OH press - leg press too since it's such a big muscle group

V,
    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

JMBS


What's the diff between a nosebreaker and a skullcrusher?  I'd like to build a cool-name workout!  ;)

DEADlifts
noseBREAKERS
skullCRUSHERS

YEAH!

probably just target different heads of the tricep. 

brihead301


Starting strength + a lot of food = muscle

*Bump*



Yup..

IBendBarbells

brihead301


Starting strength + a lot of food = muscle

*Bump*



Yup..

Double Bump.

Red PittBull's Log.

I keep hearing about "starting strength" But there is no workout routine I can find about it? Is it the 5x5 thing?

Starting Strength is a book or a ebook written by mark ripptoe. It's on many websites i believe, check amazon.com

Bench: 70 Squat 135 Deadlift: 1??s 
Supps: Creatine, Multi, Fish Oils 

Jones's Log

Moodster


I keep hearing about "starting strength" But there is no workout routine I can find about it? Is it the 5x5 thing?

http://forum.dutchbodyb...-strength-routine-63770/

http://www.startingstrength.net/workouts/

V,
    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

Moodster


I need to find a workout rejime that helps build muscle. Can you guys help with thiiiis? I am still hella scrawny.

Look up Stronglifts 5X5 or push/pull/legs.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

Hmm workouts that build muscle...









Nop can't think of any

V,
    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

I think I was using the "starting strength" program;

Moodster


Haha I was like "Didn't he say I had a nice lat spread? HM?

Yea, I am not sure what is the best exercise for traps. I definitely want my upper middle back (traps) to be big. Dumbbell shrugs? Upright Rows? Not sure what the best exercise is to work them.

I am probably going to start a 3 day full body workout like;

Day 1; Squat 3x5, Bench Press 3x5, Dead lift 1x5 and some sort of isolation work for traps
Day 3; Squat 3x5, Overhead press 3x5, Bent Over rows or perhaps power cleans 3x5
Day 5; Squat 3x5, Bench Press 3x5, Dead lift 1x5, barbell curl 6-10x3

This with Creatine, Protein powder and lots of food and rest.

Does this sound good?

Was I not? I was told this will help me gain strength but not as much muscle as I would like.

_Virtuoso_


Hmm workouts that build muscle...









Nop can't think of any

V, I was thinking the same thing, but didn't know how to say it w/o looking like an a$$.  You've got the touch, man!  ;)

Hm, alright.

MVP

Moodster


I need to find a workout rejime that helps build muscle. Can you guys help with thiiiis? I am still hella scrawny.

Look up Stronglifts 5X5 or push/pull/legs.

These would work too!!!
 
Basically, you gotta EAT EAT EAT EAT!!!!!
 
Look at the sticky called "3 day full body" under "critique my training" for a ton of routines.  You know by now that heavy compound lifts and a lot of food is what it takes.

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- A smart man

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Should I be doing this;

Day 1; Squat 3x5, Bench Press 3x5, Dead lift 1x5 and some sort of isolation work for traps
Day 3; Squat 3x5, Overhead press 3x5, Bent Over rows or perhaps power cleans 3x5
Day 5; Squat 3x5, Bench Press 3x5, Dead lift 1x5, barbell curl 6-10x3

OR should I be doing compounds like squats, dead lifts, Bent over rows, Bench press etc.. with higher reps (8-10)?

I know a ton of my buddies are telling me to start strength, but it looks like it is more aimed at power lifters then bodybuilders? I have always been taught compounds with higher reps = muscle growth.

So you think lifting 5 reps at a time is going to increase your muscle strength but not density? You can't increase one without increasing the other. 5 reps, 10 reps, 15 reps, they all do the same thing - make you grow.

V,
    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

V,
    So what is up with the high reps for size, low reps for strength mantra we've been hearing for years?  Low reps are a good way to lift your maxes up, right?  And high reps give a better pump, right?  More blood to those bad boys is a beautiful thing, no?

Whatever rep range youre training in is the rep range youll get stronger in.  Size will come as you progress and cause more microtrauma. 

If you train in the 5 rep range constantly, youll be strongest in the 5 rep range.

If you train in the 50 rep range constantly, youll be strongest in the 50 rep range.

It seems though that even if you are progressing, reps of 1-3 mostly only hit the cns, and wont cause you to hypertrophy much or at all.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

RS,
    Would 1-3 rep work benefit everyone?  I would think developing CNS capacity would benefit any lifter, no?

JMBS


RS,
    Would 1-3 rep work benefit everyone?  I would think developing CNS capacity would benefit any lifter, no?

Of course it would.  Everyone should do it.

I trained strictly in the 1-3 rep range for about 5 months straight on squats 2 or 3 times a week.  I took my squat from a weak 295 x 3 to 405 x 3 in that time without ever adding a pound.

My legs didnt grow at all.  But if i wanted to make them grow now, by switching it up, Im sure they would explode with the new weight Id be pushing.


Plus, I jump higher and run faster than ever, despite being almost the heaviest ive been in my life. (only time ive been heavier was during peaks of bulking phases)

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

Start out by building a very good strength base.  This is done by working in a rep range of 5 reps for relatively high, yet manageable volumes.  This is NOT POWERLIFTING .  This is called building a good FOUNDATION.  SMALL SKINNY PEOPLE NEED A FOUNDATION TO WORK FROM. 

By building this good foundation of strength, you will also put on a significant amount of size.  Work towards getting a 400 lb. FULL squat, a 500 lb. deadlift, and a 300 lb. bench press.  You don't have to hit those numbers exactly, but spend a few years working towards getting close at least.

Once, you have built that foundation of strength (and the size, which naturally comes along with it).  The "hypertrophy" range would then become much more effective.  Now, if you do not build that base, and just start right off working in the hypertrophy range, you will not be working as efficiently as possible.

Starting strength is an EXCELLENT routine for building that BASE.  Moodster, I'm sorry, but you do not have the base yet.  It doesn't matter how long you have been lifting for.  Judging by your pics, you can pack on lots of strength and size within about 6 months by following starting strength exactly as designed.

I wrote a long post about this a few months ago, here it is:

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/My-own-personal-philosophy-on-why-it-is-necessary-to-get-stronger-to-get-bigger-m435778.aspx

Coincidentally, I found another article written by someone more reputable then myself that talked about the exact same thing here:

http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128189

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RollingStone

JMBS

RS,
   Would 1-3 rep work benefit everyone?  I would think developing CNS capacity would benefit any lifter, no?

Of course it would.  Everyone should do it.

I trained strictly in the 1-3 rep range for about 5 months straight on squats 2 or 3 times a week.  I took my squat from a weak 295 x 3 to 405 x 3 in that time without ever adding a pound.

My legs didnt grow at all.  But if i wanted to make them grow now, by switching it up, Im sure they would explode with the new weight Id be pushing.


Plus, I jump higher and run faster than ever, despite being almost the heaviest ive been in my life. (only time ive been heavier was during peaks of bulking phases)

Sorry, man, but I don't follow:  How do you up 3 rep squat from 295 to 405 w/o adding weight?  Aren't you progressing from 295 to 405 in those 5 months.  Not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just confused.  ;)

JMBS

RollingStone

JMBS

RS,
   Would 1-3 rep work benefit everyone?  I would think developing CNS capacity would benefit any lifter, no?

Of course it would.  Everyone should do it.

I trained strictly in the 1-3 rep range for about 5 months straight on squats 2 or 3 times a week.  I took my squat from a weak 295 x 3 to 405 x 3 in that time without ever adding a pound.

My legs didnt grow at all.  But if i wanted to make them grow now, by switching it up, Im sure they would explode with the new weight Id be pushing.


Plus, I jump higher and run faster than ever, despite being almost the heaviest ive been in my life. (only time ive been heavier was during peaks of bulking phases)

Sorry, man, but I don't follow:  How do you up 3 rep squat from 295 to 405 w/o adding weight?  Aren't you progressing from 295 to 405 in those 5 months.  Not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just confused.  ;)

Without ever adding a pound of body weight lol

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.