Frustrations with Chinups and Developing the V

danchubbz



I'm not knocking neg pull ups but he's doing HST so he needs to able to do 15 reps from as little as his 75% RM sp lat pull down could be an alternative for the time being

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And to get the v-taper you need wide lats and really low body fat.  Wide shoulders also add to it.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

I do all my pull ups thumb-less now and it really helps.

You mean to say you don't close the grip? Just use 4 fingers to hold on to the bar? Does that put a lot of pressures on the fingers?

Thanks guys.  I'll try thumbless.  My experience is that the lat pulldown is easier.  Why is that?

JMBS


Thanks guys.  I'll try thumbless.  My experience is that the lat pulldown is easier.  Why is that?

when u are doing pulldowns u are moving a free moving object (AKA the bar) around your body. therefore its easier to use your lower back and momentum to move the weight. when u do pull-ups you have to move your body around a fixed object which causes a greater overload on the back and upper arm muscles

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bench:305 squat:370(atg) deadlift:475
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Basically your thumbs go around the bar in the same direction your fingers are going, instead of wrapping around the other way. That or just stick your thumbs out, your still holding the bars with your palm too not just the fingers, so they dont get too much pressure.

Stingray

I do all my pull ups thumb-less now and it really helps.

You mean to say you don't close the grip? Just use 4 fingers to hold on to the bar? Does that put a lot of pressures on the fingers?

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

wide lats= wide grip tbar rows FTMFW.  i didnt read every post on this but i can tell you that and wide grip pullups and t bar will do wonders for your lats. even if you can only do a few pullups without assistance do them anyways without assistance and on the last rep hang with your lats engaged and your elbows at 90 degrees for as long as  you can. next time you go for a pullup that last rep will be easier and you should even be able to crank out a few more.  another thing is dont do sissy pullups where you go down 8 inches and then bring your chin above the bar. go down using full extension as you engage your lats more at the bottom of the movement.

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Thanks to all!!!
209:  I do seem to be able to hang steady the way you say.  So I'll start adding that isometric work.  I don't think my gym has equip to do wide grip tbar rows.  I do narrow neutral grip w/barbell.  Would wide grip cable rows be an adequate substitute?  Thx!

I don't know why everyone is saying to develop your lats, sure your lats have a say in the back, but that is not what gives you the "V" shape, developed traps do. The traps are the "V" part in your upper back, so I'm not sure how having developed lats are going to reflect on the visibility of a completely different muscle.

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MVP


I don't know why everyone is saying to develop your lats, sure your lats have a say in the back, but that is not what gives you the "V" shape, developed traps do. The traps are the "V" part in your upper back, so I'm not sure how having developed lats are going to reflect on the visibility of a completely different muscle.

When the V was mentioned, theyre talking about the v-taper, not the v shape in the middle of the back formed by the traps.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

Oh, ok, I got it now. I thought they meant the V shape.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant