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From skinny to sexy again - Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:24 PM ( #1 )
I guess I'm one of the few people who is looking to put on some weight.

After years of eating disorder which has left me with a BMI of 15.6, 12-13% body fat, saggy boobs at the age of 18, a deflated bum, and chicken arms - I have finally had a wake up call. 2 years ago I was BMI 18, boobs size 28H - do you guys think I will get my boobs back? or is that just an impossible dream...?

Before summer I had a six pack, but traveling during summer and the plunge back into school really hit me and I lost ALOT of muscle mass.

I'm scared of the changes to my body. That's why I want to inform myself as much as possible about how to gain muscle weight with minimal fat, how to best exercises to encourage muscle growth and what exercises to do. I have an idea...but I really need something concreate. I can do 2-3 sets of 20reps of almost all exercises I have come across (tricep dips, bicept curls, launges, reverse sit ups, cruches, wide squats(sometimes I just hold this oen for 30secs) So I wouldnt say I'm a beginner....

I'm willing to invest in weights and such and I can go to the gym once a week (free from school). I just need someone to help me figure out what to do.

Also, I'm a bit anxious about nutrition. I dont want to go back to routine and staple foods and such. I have done so much work on intuitive eating, but some guildlines would be appreciated. For example, my BMR is 1500cals, how much over that should I eat to encourage muscle gain and how many servings of protein a day? I'm scared of sudden change, but if suddens change means more muscle then I'm willing to take the challange.

I used to log everything down (cals protein fats carbs) online...but I really dont want to get back to that.

Dont hesitate to ask any questions that will help you help me get some meat on!
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Sunday, November 01, 2009 3:55 PM ( #2 )
well first things first welcome to DBB and I'm glad you've decided to start lifting again and do what needs to be done to stay healthy. 

Now as for your routine stick to the basics (squats, rows, push ups, pull ups, lunges ect) all of your compound movements.  Also you really need to try and get to the gym more often than once a week shoot for 3-4 and work yourself back into it otherwise face some injuries (tendinitis specifically).

Now you say you dont want to get back into a routine for food, why is that?  Thats probably one of the most important  things to do and honestly it makes it much easier to stay on the correct diet.  As for the sudden change like I said before dont all of a sudden change everything it will be very hard ot stick to it gradual alter your eating habits and exercise routine.

You have a lot of questions in your post and really there isnt enough time/space here lol for me to answer all properly.  Is there one area you are more uncertain of more than others?  I suggest you read as much as you can on this site and others but take some of the information with a grain of salt as there is a lot of awesome information and then there is even more not so great information on the internet.

good luck and dont hesitate to ask any questions
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Monday, November 02, 2009 10:51 AM ( #3 )
So for food, I think you should read this thread...http://www.discussbodyb...11173&mpage=1#111173 it is an excellent all around sensible food primer, geared towards increasing muscle mass.

 If I understand you correctly, you used to have an eating disorder, and do not want to encourage it's re-occurrence, by manically recording every speck of food you put in your mouth? Is that correct? That is why you don't want to journal your food..

For a routine I would read this thread, and choose either the first or second routine. http://www.discussbodyb...Y-FULL-BODY-m303404.aspx


Read those threads and then ask follow up questions.

Congratulations on getting healthy, and under control.

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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:28 AM ( #4 )
I've been dong so much reading! And it was all so interesting!!!

So here is the skelleton of my plan. Please give your opinion on better exercises/exercises I should include/if I'm over doing it.

I decided to do a 3 days a week split routine rather then a fullbody. Should I stick to 2 sets for a few weeks (if so how many?) so I can increase later? Or would that cause me to not build up enough?

I also need advice on weights. I got these platic balls filled with sand that are meant for pilates exercises. Each on is 1.5kg. I can do bicept curls with BOTH in one hand (3kg, quite hard to hold! I got small hands! haha) like there is no tomorrow. So do you think 5kg weights would be good to buy?

Also, how do i do so I can only do 8-10reps on abdominal exercises? Cause even with 3kg on my chest I can easily do 20reps.

Workout one (arms, shoulders, chest):
10min skipping rope
10min pilates, emphasis on upper body.
8-10 reps push ups, 2-3sets
8-10 reps tricept dips, 2-3 sets
??? reps lateral shoulder raises, 2-3 sets

Workout2 (Abdominal)
10min full body pilates
10min abdominal pilates
???reps bicycle exercise 2-3sets
10-12 reps full vertical cruches 2-3sets
60sec plank, 2-3sets
60sec side plank, 2-3sets, right/left.

Workout3 (legs, bum):
10min skipping rope
10min pilates emphasis on legs
60sec wide squats, 2-3sets
10 reps each leg launges with 3kg.

And must remember to stretch after each!!!

Diet question:

I have just found my on/off button again to hungery/not hungry. Can you believe that I couldnt tell the difference for a year?Well, I kinda could, but I didnt trust my body. I had to go by the clock to justify if I was hungry or not. So instead of actually being hungry, I'd get "hungry" cause it was 8=dinner time. And if I got uncomfortable feeling before that I'd get fustrated and annoyed at myself. Food was controlling me and I'd blame everything that went wrong on the fact that id taken time to eat or that I was crazy snacking that day, then if I didnt eat, i'd blame myself for not being able to concentrate/achieve what I had to achieve. 

I never really straved myself after my first "recovery". I had a period of compleat suicidal goal of not eating, after that it was an obsession with perfection and fear of "fat". Fat to be equals failure and losing control. I ate 1500cals some days, but most days it was more around 800-1200cals. I was cared of eating more cause I thought id ****ed up my metabolism and I'd BALOON like the first time I "recovered". But I kept loosing, to my surprise, even when I was eating "normal foods" and thought I was eating to atleast maintain. That made me happy, that means I can trust my body to be able to handle food - I hope - and won't baloon and wont react like other anorexic girls(that live on 0-700cals a day) that put all weight on thier tummy, and it gets redistributed in a year - something I wouldnt be able to live it! I've always had a flat tummy!

I dont want to get obsessed with food. I also think that I need to eat like a normal person. Have some sweets and naughty food in there so that I know that I can just cut out a bit more of that when I simply just want to maintain instead of gaining. On the other hand, I'm scared ill develop little habbits, that will keep me gaining and gaianing and gaianing. At the end of the day, if i tought mysef how to constantly under eat, what can stop me from learning to constantly over eat?

What happens If i do follow this plan and I dont eat enough? (by mistake or anxiaty?) Also, the more I eat, sure only a certain amount of mucle growth can happen per week, how many cals would that be? should these cals solemly come from extra protein? And is it true that if you eat white flour and sweets that gets converted into fat because its processed quicker? Surely not if you dont over do your daily calorie expenditure or/and not slipping on the amount of protein?

Hope the explanation about food makes sense. And sorry for yet more questions, but hope they are more consise!
 
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:48 AM ( #5 )
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I've been dong so much reading! And it was all so interesting!!!

So here is the skelleton of my plan. Please give your opinion on better exercises/exercises I should include/if I'm over doing it.

I decided to do a 3 days a week split routine rather then a fullbody. Should I stick to 2 sets for a few weeks (if so how many?) so I can increase later? Or would that cause me to not build up enough?
I knew you would... While I am disappointed, considering  your working out at home it might be easier for you to tax your body with out the use of very heavy weights.. 

I also need advice on weights. I got these platic balls filled with sand that are meant for pilates exercises. Each on is 1.5kg. I can do bicept curls with BOTH in one hand (3kg, quite hard to hold! I got small hands! haha) like there is no tomorrow. So do you think 5kg weights would be good to buy?
If you lift properly, you will notice the need to increase the weight very regularly, so it would be best to invest in some adjustable dumbbells, also as you gain strength your larger muscle groups, are going to require the stress of much heavier weights than the smaller ones.. you should out grow 5 kg weights very rapidly, so again invest in an adjustable dumbbell set at the very least.

Also, how do i do so I can only do 8-10reps on abdominal exercises? Cause even with 3kg on my chest I can easily do 20reps.
Again more weight is needed... especially if your doing pilaties abs, or things like that.. there is not going to be need to do high rep ab work...


Now for the routine... gonna make some changes here... Firstly even if your doing a split, you must work your whole body...

1)  the jump rope and pilates is going to go at the end of your routine, that is your cardio, it goes either on a different day of the week or after your work out...


Workout one (arms, shoulders, chest back)
10min skipping rope
10min pilates, emphasis on upper body.
8-10 reps push ups, 2-3sets
8-10 reps tricept dips, 2-3 sets
??? reps lateral shoulder raises, 2-3 sets

Workout2 (Abdominal)
10min full body pilates
10min abdominal pilates
???reps bicycle exercise 2-3sets
10-12 reps full vertical cruches 2-3sets
60sec plank, 2-3sets
60sec side plank, 2-3sets, right/left.

Workout3 (legs, bum):
10min skipping rope
10min pilates emphasis on legs
60sec wide squats, 2-3sets
10 reps each leg launges with 3kg.

Push/ pull/ legs    

Push 3 sets 8-10 reps 60 sec rest between sets
Push ups (really should be bench press, but in the beginning push ups ok)
Over head press
tricep dips (if you have a good way to dip that is, if you can not get a full range of motion, do something like tricep kick backs)
bicycles
Full body pilates
rope

Pull 3 sets 8-10 reps 60 sec rest between sets

Deadlift
Bent over rows (single arm or double)
pull/ or chin ups.. if you have a bar, or a palce to do them
Curls

planks 60 sec hold    
side planks 60 sec hold
Pilates abs
rope

Legs 3 set 8-10 reps 60 sec rest between sets

squat w/ weight held at sides... (if you get a barbell, you could do front squats... ok too soon, I know, I know, I won;t scare you away)
lunges
Step ups
vertical crunches
pilates legs
rope


For clarification, all the exercises I listed are to be done with weight not as body weight exercises, with the exception of the push ups... If they are too easy for you elevate your feet higher than your hands for more resistance.

And must remember to stretch after each!!!

Diet question:

I have just found my on/off button again to hungery/not hungry. Can you believe that I couldnt tell the difference for a year?Well, I kinda could, but I didnt trust my body. I had to go by the clock to justify if I was hungry or not. So instead of actually being hungry, I'd get "hungry" cause it was 8=dinner time. And if I got uncomfortable feeling before that I'd get fustrated and annoyed at myself. Food was controlling me and I'd blame everything that went wrong on the fact that id taken time to eat or that I was crazy snacking that day, then if I didnt eat, i'd blame myself for not being able to concentrate/achieve what I had to achieve. 

I never really straved myself after my first "recovery". I had a period of compleat suicidal goal of not eating, after that it was an obsession with perfection and fear of "fat". Fat to be equals failure and losing control. I ate 1500cals some days, but most days it was more around 800-1200cals. I was cared of eating more cause I thought id ****ed up my metabolism and I'd BALOON like the first time I "recovered". But I kept loosing, to my surprise, even when I was eating "normal foods" and thought I was eating to atleast maintain. That made me happy, that means I can trust my body to be able to handle food - I hope - and won't baloon and wont react like other anorexic girls(that live on 0-700cals a day) that put all weight on thier tummy, and it gets redistributed in a year - something I wouldnt be able to live it! I've always had a flat tummy!

I dont want to get obsessed with food. I also think that I need to eat like a normal person. Have some sweets and naughty food in there so that I know that I can just cut out a bit more of that when I simply just want to maintain instead of gaining. On the other hand, I'm scared ill develop little habbits, that will keep me gaining and gaianing and gaianing. At the end of the day, if i tought mysef how to constantly under eat, what can stop me from learning to constantly over eat?

What happens If i do follow this plan and I dont eat enough? (by mistake or anxiaty?) Also, the more I eat, sure only a certain amount of mucle growth can happen per week, how many cals would that be? should these cals solemly come from extra protein? And is it true that if you eat white flour and sweets that gets converted into fat because its processed quicker? Surely not if you dont over do your daily calorie expenditure or/and not slipping on the amount of protein?

Hope the explanation about food makes sense. And sorry for yet more questions, but hope they are more consise!
 Listen I hate to phrase it this way, but I need to go off and actually work, but i also want to finsh answering so that you can ask the next round of questions.. Most regular food out there is poison... your sweets your white flower, your extra processed foods... It is ok to have that sort of thing every now and again...but food is your fuel, you want to give your self high quality fuel... not discount contaminated fuel... Foucus on whole foods, that are rich in nutrients, yes you need to get your calories, in you need to eat appropriate amounts of protien, you need lean meat, poultry, and fish, fruits and veggies, nuts and whole grains... A good rule of thumb is to look at the ingrediants in what you eat. If you can take the process back in three steps or less to a living animal or a growing plant, it is probably a fine choice... If you for the life of you can't figure out what it is or how it got that way... leave it alone, except for a little treat... every now and again.

calorie calculator
http://www.discussbodyb...eadsheet-Too-m45013.aspx

If you don't eat enough, muscle and fat will both be catabolized (eaten by your body)

YOU ARE IN CONTROL. YOUR NOT GOING MAD WITH FOOD, AND YOUR NOT TEACHING YOURSELF HOW TO PIG OUT. there are some foods that trigger slight addictions, and food highs and lows, the sugars.. the processed starches, if you generlly keep those out of your diet, I just don't think you are going to have anything to worry about once you have gained enough... and remember as you gain weight your need to increase your caloric intake to keep gaining (so at some point you stop increasing calories, and level off), you might find that you level off at a very happy agreeable quantity of food..

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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:26 PM ( #6 )
TheHardWay - Your an angel. I wish I could hug you!!

I basically got told off on another forum for assuming I can do all this at home and that my program was too streangth oriented and looked more like a losing weight program rather then building muscle...So even though I don't really wanna, I'm gonna go to the gym, renew my student membership and go every Wednesday, even though half my school will be there and they'll be wondering wtf I'm doing in "the boy" section. I guess I'm also gonna have to talk to one of the trainers there which will rip me of £30-40 for advice. I feel slightly embarrased? And after seeing your program that looks so doable at home, I'm kinda rethinking again....

Now a structured response...

Your saying your dissapointed about the spilt routine? I open for suggestions on full body! I just though it was more clever this way as your muscles truly heal and i'll make sure to not over do it...

You say high reps of abdominal won't work for muscle building...then how did I manage to get a 6pack doing that? And now it's just...flat...

Push/ pull/ legs    

Push 3 sets 8-10 reps 60 sec rest between sets
Push ups (really should be bench press, but in the beginning push ups ok)
Over head press
tricep dips (if you have a good way to dip that is, if you can not get a full range of motion, do something like tricep kick backs)
bicycles
Full body pilates
rope

Pull 3 sets 8-10 reps 60 sec rest between sets

Pushups: Seriously, you should see my chicken arms! I can't do PROPPER ones (it's sad, cause back in the day I could do 3....) I have to bring my feet like 3-4inches closer to be able to do 8-10.

Tricept dips: Hands on chair, legs straight. I used to do them with bent legs, but thats EASY.

Over head press: AMAZON HERE I COME FOR WEIGHTS!

Deadlift
Bent over rows (single arm or double)
pull/ or chin ups.. if you have a bar, or a palce to do them
Curls
planks 60 sec hold    
side planks 60 sec hold
Pilates abs
rope

Deadlift: Amazon again....
Bent over rows: Amazon...
Curls: Amazon!

squat w/ weight held at sides... (if you get a barbell, you could do front squats... ok too soon, I know, I know, I won;t scare you away)
lunges
Step ups
vertical crunches
pilates legs
rope


Squats: Your not scaring me at all! Squats is quite a strong point. I keep the weight at the front anyway, find it all more stable.
Step ups: As in onto a chair or just a pyramid of steady books?

If you think the additional rope is a bad idea i dont mind cutting it out. Was kinda thinking I need something to warm up and that I need to still include some cardio. 




Diet:

Thanks for the word slap. I seriously need it!

I know so much about nutrition its hellarious! All I did for 2 years was read about nutrition for gods sake. But I really want to be normal. But your right, everybody should eat healthy. The more healthy you eat, the more acceptable it is to have treats(new frame of mind here).  Good nutition is even more important when you trying to put on weight, cause what you put in you is being stored. When your losing weight you can put whatever and get rid of that and then some as long as its not too much. You can loose weight on simply eating choclate...**** this world! haha

Again your right about the calorie question. When I was 50kg (BMI 18.4) I maintained at 1800cals. Now I have to eat 1400-1500 simply to maintain. 15%-20% extra comes out as: 1600-1700 to gain. Its funny how I'm scared of learning to piggy out but also freak out about the fact that its only 200-300cals difference between the two. Thats so easy to miscalculate!

About nutrition, I was brave enough and went to the doctors on Monday and I got refered to the ED unit. There I'm gonna have the whole nutrition chat again.
 
 
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:14 PM ( #7 )
I wouldn't waste your money on a trainer tbh. Very few trainers are worth the price you pay, and those that are worth it cost a helluva lot. Besides, for your goals you can achieve it yourself by knowing what you need to do and sticking to it.



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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:32 PM ( #8 )
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I wouldn't waste your money on a trainer tbh. Very few trainers are worth the price you pay, and those that are worth it cost a helluva lot. Besides, for your goals you can achieve it yourself by knowing what you need to do and sticking to it.


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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:02 PM ( #9 )
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:09 AM ( #10 )
SK and Virt,
   I can see both your points of view regarding trainers.  I simply cannot afford one, and don't really know what one would do for me that you guys don't do for me for free.  And I'm sure a really competent trainer versed in serious training techniques (MVP for example) is even more expensive.
   I wish gym staff could be knowledgeable and available by just walking around, offering techniques and tips when they see you struggling, and being available to answer questions, demonstrate proper form/technique, and be a source of motivation.
   Of course, I want my monthly fee to be reasonable as well, so I'm pretty happy that I can work with what's available to me at a price I can afford.
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:58 AM ( #11 )
ILY


I guess I'm one of the few people who is looking to put on some weight.

After years of eating disorder which has left me with a BMI of 15.6, 12-13% body fat, saggy boobs
Hullo sista!!  I have a smaller version of what you are talking about, went from double D to c but also saggy and also from my teens and a ED.

 at the age of 18, a deflated bum, and chicken arms - I have finally had a wake up call. 2 years ago I was BMI 18, boobs size 28H - do you guys think I will get my boobs back? or is that just an impossible dream...?
I cannot imagine but if you are fit and healthy chances are the boobs will be smaller, less body fat, less boob since boob is mainly fat.

Before summer I had a six pack, but traveling during summer and the plunge back into school really hit me and I lost ALOT of muscle mass.
you can get it back!

I'm scared of the changes to my body. That's why I want to inform myself as much as possible about how to gain muscle weight with minimal fat, how to best exercises to encourage muscle growth and what exercises to do. I have an idea...but I really need something concreate. I can do 2-3 sets of 20reps of almost all exercises I have come across (tricep dips, bicept curls, launges, reverse sit ups, cruches, wide squats(sometimes I just hold this oen for 30secs) So I wouldnt say I'm a beginner....
depends on the end goal, what do you want, how do you want your body to look - if you can post a wish pic of what your goal look is and maybe send me pics of your body now I can tell you a bit more about the journey from A to B!

I'm willing to invest in weights and such and I can go to the gym once a week (free from school). I just need someone to help me figure out what to do.

Also, I'm a bit anxious about nutrition. I dont want to go back to routine and staple foods and such. I have done so much work on intuitive eating, but some guildlines would tell me more about your intuative eating?
be appreciated.
 For example, my BMR is 1500cals, how much over that should I eat to encourage muscle gain and how many servings of protein a day? I'm scared of sudden change, but if suddens change means more muscle then I'm willing to take the challange. you should think simpler and maybe not worry on numbers since you mention you don't want to go the route of your old routine - as per next sentence......

I used to log everything down (cals protein fats carbs) online...but I really dont want to get back to that.

Dont hesitate to ask any questions that will help you help me get some meat on!



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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:09 AM ( #12 )
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I've been dong so much reading! And it was all so interesting!!!

So here is the skelleton of my plan. Please give your opinion on better exercises/exercises I should include/if I'm over doing it.
everyone will have diff opinions, you need more of an opinion about this relative to YOUR needs, but we need to clarify those a bit more.

I decided to do a 3 days a week split routine rather then a fullbody. Should I stick to 2 sets for a few weeks (if so how many?) so I can increase later? Or would that cause me to not build up enough?
depends on present fitness level and what you have been doing.....your goal is a huge factor to answer this.

I also need advice on weights. I got these platic balls filled with sand that are meant for pilates exercises. Each on is 1.5kg. I can do bicept curls with BOTH in one hand (3kg, quite hard to hold! I got small hands! haha) like there is no tomorrow. So do you think 5kg weights would be good to buy?
again relative to a few quesions with first being the goal.....something more detailed.

Also, how do i do so I can only do 8-10reps on abdominal exercises? Cause even with 3kg on my chest I can easily do 20reps.

Workout one (arms, shoulders, chest):
10min skipping rope
10min pilates, emphasis on upper body.
8-10 reps push ups, 2-3sets
8-10 reps tricept dips, 2-3 sets
??? reps lateral shoulder raises, 2-3 sets

Workout2 (Abdominal)
10min full body pilates
10min abdominal pilates
???reps bicycle exercise 2-3sets
10-12 reps full vertical cruches 2-3sets
60sec plank, 2-3sets
60sec side plank, 2-3sets, right/left.

Workout3 (legs, bum):
10min skipping rope
10min pilates emphasis on legs
60sec wide squats, 2-3sets
10 reps each leg launges with 3kg.

And must remember to stretch after each!!!
I don't think this is right or wrong, just harping on the idea that before you go to this stage you need to really clarify what you want out of your training, the end result, the look and feel you want for your body.

Diet question:

I have just found my on/off button again to hungery/not hungry. Can you believe that I couldnt tell the difference for a year?Well, I kinda could, but I didnt trust my body. I had to go by the clock to justify if I was hungry or not. So instead of actually being hungry, I'd get "hungry" cause it was 8=dinner time. And if I got uncomfortable feeling before that I'd get fustrated and annoyed at myself. Food was controlling me and I'd blame everything that went wrong on the fact that id taken time to eat or that I was crazy snacking that day, then if I didnt eat, i'd blame myself for not being able to concentrate/achieve what I had to achieve. 
you may not have a good balanced menu with items of food, amounts, types etc which could be causing this.....could me many factors but maybe not ones you need to blame youruself for but more about again, the goals and then focusing the diet on them in a way which is relative to your needs.

I never really straved myself after my first "recovery". I had a period of compleat suicidal goal of not eating, after that it was an obsession with perfection and fear of "fat". Fat to be equals failure and losing control. I ate 1500cals some days, but most days it was more around 800-1200cals. I was cared of eating more cause I thought id ****ed up my metabolism and I'd BALOON like the first time I "recovered". But I kept loosing, to my surprise, even when I was eating "normal foods" and thought I was eating to atleast maintain. That made me happy, that means I can trust my body to be able to handle food - I hope - and won't baloon and wont react like other anorexic girls(that live on 0-700cals a day) that put all weight on thier tummy, and it gets redistributed in a year - something I wouldnt be able to live it! I've always had a flat tummy!
I was a starver and restrictive in my ED not so much binging and very mild purging, so I get your thinking.  the main idea first to be okay with what you are starting with, and knowing you CAN mold it to your desire but in a healthy and safe way.  then you do it and the results come.......suddenly your ED thoughts and habits are slowly directed differently, you take that passion for control and put it to good use with positive direction-bam you get your desired goal.  over 20 yrs recovered and certain thoughts and such still come, but I am aware now, I know when to ignore and recognized that thinking so I can be wise about it and realize its just a bad day or pms or whatever triggered it and then know not to look at the mirror that day or know not to weigh.  you also have to work on balance, then work on guiltless eating.  when you do reward your taste needs for a sweet or salty or NON clean food, do it on a cheat day, once per week and do it without guilt knowing you earned by working so hard during the rest of the week with diet and training and school etc etc.  One day at a time, even if you have a plan, its still open to change as you with our body on a day to day basis.

I dont want to get obsessed with food. I also think that I need to eat like a normal person.
yes a big goal!!!
 Have some sweets and naughty food in there so that I know that I can just cut out a bit more of that when I simply just want to maintain instead of gaining. On the other hand, I'm scared ill develop little habbits, that will keep me gaining and gaianing and gaianing. At the end of the day, if i tought mysef how to constantly under eat, what can stop me from learning to constantly over eat? balance is another goal especially for most of us who have suffered EDs

What happens If i do follow this plan and I dont eat enough?
day be day....
(by mistake or anxiaty?) Also, the more I eat, sure only a certain amount of mucle growth can happen per week, how many cals would that be? should these cals solemly come from extra protein? And is it true that if you eat white flour and sweets that gets converted into fat because its processed quicker? Surely not if you dont over do your daily calorie expenditure or/and not slipping on the amount of protein?
if you don't want to worry on numbers you need to approach this differently.

Hope the explanation about food makes sense. And sorry for yet more questions, but hope they are more consise!
 



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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:11 AM ( #13 )
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TheHardWay - Your an angel. I wish I could hug you!!

I basically got told off on another forum for assuming I can do all this at home and that my program was too streangth oriented
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:11 AM ( #14 )
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I wouldn't waste your money on a trainer tbh. Very few trainers are worth the price you pay, and those that are worth it cost a helluva lot. Besides, for your goals you can achieve it yourself by knowing what you need to do and sticking to it.


I am a trainer but I agree...........its a sad industry sometimes, I try to be the exception!
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:34 AM ( #15 )
 Linda... did I do ok by her, with my advice?... I wasn't done yet, but yes please take over...  : )



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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:51 AM ( #16 )
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 Linda... did I do ok by her, with my advice?... I wasn't done yet, but yes please take over...  : )


oh I did not mean to take over nor erase any of the excellent posts before mine, actually grateful you guys chimed in so fast so she did not sit waiting for me to get my slow ass over here!  Its hard to say what is right for her at this point, so none are right or wrong, just need more focused goals in order to know which approaches are best and I am sure there will be more than one choice of approach.

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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 3:44 AM ( #17 )
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I cant believe there are such amazing people like you that take so much time to helping an idiot like me, ItalianAngel and TheHardWay, Lots of hugs coming your way wether you like it or not!
 
Lets answer some of your questions/clarify.

You are truly an inspiration. I knwo it sounds kinda bad, but I feel like I can truly trust your advice Italian Angel, because you've experienced ED. I'm exactly the way you discribed yourself: Restrictive, not much binging at all (I tend to nibble and then realise a chip or a piece of candy is more hyped up then it's actually nice) and I had a period of purging, but now that only happens VEEEEEEERY seldom.

As for my eating now, my intuitive eating resulted in:

Morning:
1veggie sausage(100cals)
crumpets (150cals)
cottage cheese(80cals) with dried apricot (30cals) and pumpkin seeds(90cals)
tea with milk (20cals)

Lunch was slightly odd/random as I fancied:
1 frankfurst sausage (100cals)
2 slices pepperoni (34cals)
big handfull cabbage (20-30cals)
20-30g extreamly low fat margarine for frying (40-60cals)
50g Wholegrain pasta (160cals)
nibble of baked tofu
nibble of candy (1.5pieces)

4cups green tea?

I decided I really should eat something at about 4-5pm

Half avocado (90cals)
Salad
Home made salsa (50-60cals I guess)
Tuna (70cals)
mustard (10cals)

Dinner (I was looking forward to as I marinated the pork all day)

1/2 Pork steak, baked (having rest for lunch today, whole steak, before trimming the fats on the side was about the size of a small lady's palm)
Salad
8-10cherry tomatoes
More salsa
1/2 red pepper
2 small slices (incredibly discusting, that my landlady said I could have some of, as it was leftover) pizza. I really wanted to try the pizza so I didnt bake half a whole grain small baguette (150cals) as I planned to.

Hot choclate before bed (50cals)

All in all, 1690.
I try to eat quite a bit in every sitting so I feel propper full and satisfied - otherways I have food at the back of my mind constantly.

So thats deffo gaining, although I skipped the rope for 10min(anxiaty), and did launges+squats+(I don't know what they are called, but your in push up position and you jump with your legs so they are uner your tummy then you jump back as far as you can, hands in same position.
However I stayed at home all day, so not much movement at all.

It's a good idea about "The Cheat Day" But i know I'll cheat the cheat day and end up not having anything naughty...so I think more of a "Cheat breakfast, Cheat lunch, Cheat dinner and Cheat Snack" a week would work better. Especially cause I never know when my friends are gonna invite me out etc...

Fitness level...I don't know. I'd consider myself above beginner, certainly intermidiate, and I do like a challange. How would you test this?

Now for pictures....I had collected some of the internet but I was silly and went back to check your comments so I could write this and - VOILA - all work gone! Shame cause it took bloody 4-5hours in total...
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 3:58 AM ( #18 )

Slightly boated from period...
My bum is just hurrendeous....its like all concave and....ewww! It actually gets painful to sit on chairs sometimes :(
 

 

Sorry about the wierd looking around....selftimer gets boring. Anyway, I do really like my waist, THAT I dont want to give up...
 
 
You may laugh at my Chicken arms (ewwww)

 
Legs, that I actually quite like in a wierd way....
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What I consider to have been a mini sixpack before summer:


Right, that was me documented....No to the wishlist....

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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 4:48 AM ( #19 )
During my research I fell inlove with Melissa Miller. I love the fact that she has muscular/toned abs, but it doesnt affect her waist like most other models I have seen. Also, the fact that she has a thin trunk and a nice round bum. And that she has propper thighs, but again, feminine. Apearently her BMI is the same as mine, but she has no ribs showing, she has muscle on her(Oh the BUM!!), and just generally looks like a healthy thin woman I would love stronger lloking abs, but whenever I see a pic, they have NO WAIST.:(



Fearne Cotton's legs I think are Ideal. They are muscular but still feminin and thin.

I only lover her arms! Do fancy my muscular arms back....Otherways I think her body is a bit too boyish.
If my desires are silly, please tell me so. I got no clue what it actually achieveable and hoe much is actually to genes etc....
 
OK, homework done! (My god, that took a looooong time!)

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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 5:33 AM ( #20 )
excellent, I am so proud of you being able to post your pics like that, I know how hard that can be, I know some with ED won't take nor look at pics!
You are very cute, I love your cute face!!!  Are you recently recovered?
I would def work for some lats and squat work for the butt, we can fill that in, many girls actually work for that butt dent but all you need is a bit of shaping and sculpting?  I am amazed you still have boobs at this light a figure but from reading your past size......kinda fits....you are lucky, you can salvage some boob!
They only firm up so much though, from the pec work, the skin may not come back but depends on how long they were stretched for and the EFA oils help with this in the diet as well as a good pure vit E for the outside, I have heard bio oil is good although never tried it, my boobs were stretched for too long, no hope for the skin but I was able to bring them up a bit with the chest work so.......
You idea for cheat is very healthy, and that is the best way to do it, a way which fits.  So you then allow yourself a cheat meal 2-3 times per week.  Very fair and knowing you the cheat would be something most people eat normally like fruit, bread, grain products..........I am up early to train some clients but I will be back later and continue.......
btw, you are not an idiot....anyone who does not know something and asks....is very prudent and smart.....idiots are those who think they know it all.......none of us ever know everything, even masters are open to learning, which is what makes them so great.  When you stop asking questions, stop learning, then you can start to go down the 'idiot road' but you are NOT an idiot!
I have worked with a few recovered EDs, male and female, its always about trust, trusting you will get those results even if you are not going to extremes although that mentality is never really going to leave you, you just redirect it.  I now focus on eating to get my look, focus on exercise but not overexercise, and focus on balance.........balance is the hardest for ED mentality.
You have to learn to allow weight fluxes, normal ones, and allowing a cheat meal per week at least so you are showing some balance with your eating, all part of long term recovery.
back in a bit........gotta go kick some butts, have a couple this morning and a few later this afternoon but should be able to get here in between...........
later.
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 5:36 AM ( #21 )
So I will back out of this... hug accepted, so that Linda can do her thing... she is soooo good... you couldn't be in better hands, seriously! And she knows where your coming from, I certainly have no experience with this side of the eating disorder spectrum...

GOOD LUCK ILY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 6:01 AM ( #22 )
I should really instal a "Thank you" button on my keyboard, it would make it so much easier to show my appreciation!

I donno about "recently recovered", I've been on the edge for the last year. My blood tests have kinda always been perfect, even though I was on a constant diet. I'm at my lowest weight I have ever been, and that what sounded alarm bells. Especially cause I looked up stats of celebs and was like "WTF, Eva Longoria is 5'0 and she weighs MORE then me?!" Also, this guy basically bluntly told me that he couldnt perform in bed with me cause the feeling of my ribs put him off....not embarrasing at all there.

Nah, boobs stretched too far. They were already stretch before ED cause I grew sooooo fast. But oh well, pecs and bit of fat should make then atleast fuller.

Cheat is fruit, grains and bread?! Thats normal food isnt it. A cheat is something like a Pain au Chocolate for a snack/breakfast, pizza for a meal or something els lazy....Looking at that, I think I'll change it to: 2 meals, one snack and one desert. Or just 4cheats a week.
Weight fluctuations I'm quite alright with. I know I can be even 2kg heavier in the evening then during the day and I always know my "intestine load" has alot to do with the matter.
I'm gonna be away over the weekend. Babysitting 2 girls at thier home - internet free home. I'm probably gonna have a mental breakdown without internet for 3 days....
I'm sooooo looking forward to see what you got in store for me. Just to point out, I'd prefer to not go to the gym, but I could once a week on wednesdays. Otherways I'm happy to invest in some equiptment for home, not more then £50 though (I'm a student after all...)

THANK YOU YET AGAIN!
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 9:40 AM ( #23 )
Hope I don't get shot for posting in this ladies thread.  Agree with the others the deep squats will really give a nice shape to your butt. (I have quite the bubble butt from them) Also I think with a bit of resistance training you will look amazing as you add a little weight.
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 10:01 AM ( #24 )
First I want to say that muscle will come, you lost so much that it will come but it will increase that scale number and you need to be prepared to handle that, you won't always look what the scale says since the scale is not all fat weight and you have to keep that in your head always.  If you want muscle gain, no matter how little, you will see scale numbers go up but you won't be fat........and you have lost muscle and so will gain it easy to begin so the scale may go up a bit, you don't have fat to exchange it for like in some cases where the scale stays stagnant while you gain muscle and lose fat. 

Next, the stuff Dan posts, the links hardway posted are excellent and very general for you to gleen from and customize to YOU, so do make use of it as you research.

You want to train at home most days and do a day at the gym per week right?
You don't want to log food which is fine, I did that too til a few years ago and now I don't again, I only log when a few months out from contest and such, when on intense goals, specific to you would be learning to eat normally without the need to log. 
Everyone is diff, I work with one gal who needs to log she is still recovering although out of recovery but it is helping her recover so its part of the deal, we are working her up to intuitive eating and bargaining with a higher cal version of her 'old' eating yet the cals in general are very low and NORMALLY I would be working to get them up intensely but in this case I am just happy she eats so if she stays above 600 cals I am happy and when she hits over a thousand I am very happy and encourage it so without you logging there has to be some type of gradient to ensure you are getting enough calories to support your work and goals.  The easiest thing is to be aware of eating every 2-3 hours and ensure some protein is in each meal and I mean real protein, not milk/nuts/beans.....those have protein but are NOT proteins.
If you are not opposed to it, I would at least keep some protein powder around so you can drink up some protein if you don't eat meat or whatever.
Focus on lots of produce and being you are very lean, you can afford fruits and grains just fine, whole food ones, healthy ones but again this is general, when doing a cheat meal, then don't worry about it too much and focus on just getting in 5-6 meals/snacks per day. 
Do not fear efas, if you want goals succeeding you need them to help, they help you stay lean, and run right.  You have many choices!

Because you need muscle and do not need any endurance cardio for fat burning, we can have fun with it, do anaerobic stuff which helps the shaping.  Your lifting can stay moderate if you work body weight too and exercise choices which challenge the muscle, then you can go a bit heavier on the gym day and utilize the equipment.

I would look at things like burpees, jump squats or squat leaps, tuck leaps, lunge leaps, skating side touches, walking lunges, smith lunge and squat all for time, done for speed, height and then later when you do well with them you can hold weights during these.  Great shapers and muscle coaxing but to the degree you are looking for.
I would use these and things like 1 min treadmill sprints between sets and that would make a great day or 2 of training blended with stuff like bi curls or chins, tri dips or kickbacks, V sits, crunches, knee raises.
for heavier days, 1-2 per week go for stuff like front squats with barbell, make one day in the gym maybe and then the home day you can do the front squat holding a chair for weight, books sit nice on chairs that are light to make them heavier.......and for gym you do leg press, chest machine which plate loades and at home you can do pushups, various types, gym work for mid rows at home do db rows......stuff like that.  so you have a day at gym and day at home doing some heavier muscle work.
Throw in some pilates work with the 2 at home days doing those leaps etc.

btw if you are not hungry, does not matter, you will train your metabolism and reset it to normal by eating 5-6 times per day, every 2-3 hours, not hungry?  have a protein drink, water and powder.....this will help and its not fair to train and not fuel for it, not fair to the body.  You will not overeat, but don't undereat, balance.....keep repeating that as your mantra. B A L A N C E

Many of the suggestions hardway posted are excellent!  She beefed up your version and she sees you need to do look at lifting with a push....her idea of a barbell set is not a bad one at all.............your power 4 - chest press, deadlift, overhead and squat with barbell is essential.
Her advice nutritionally is correct, I assume you don't eat much crap food, processed etc.  Balance means you can have crap sometimes!  I balance it into my diet  a few times per week off season, but took me years to allow that.  Its all work and we all have our own time frames.

THERE IS NO BOY SECTION OF THE GYM, and remember, the members at the gym are not all there to see you or watch you, its you who feels this way but need to rethink THAT..who cares what they all think anyway, who are they any more than you?????.........I had the same thing, so self conscious and yeah some look but overall, people are not there to look at us, they have a life and there own reasons for being there and those who look - you cannot assume what others are thinking.......we can be looking and admire a gal and she may see us as jealous female and she may be thinking, 'wtf is that biatch looking at' when we are actually just admiring so always keep your mind in check.  That is what I find to this day to be the hardest part of the ED.  You do what you have to to get healthy, you do have that will power....its needed to have an ED, so divert that power into the healthy focus and ditch the rest, let those scary thoughts go when they come.......you will be so proud of yourself.
Sometimes when people look, they are admiring, thinking wow, she can train there and not be shy?  wow, or respect from the guys cuz you are actually in there doing something to improve your health instead of out causing trouble and you are not shy about joining them in their section because you need to in order to get YOUR job done, YOUR goals, not anyone elses goals, they look, who cares - let them fail their goals..........you achieve yours and they will be the ones looking at you with envy and inspiration to get their goals met!!!!

your pushups, do them on knees then or toes til failure then knees......they will never get better if you don't practice and as for the tri dips, feet on bench and weight on lap!

your diet is not bad but could be better but we need you to learn to eat food you enjoy and not restrict too much so balance again.....I can make some suggestions but you should also use stuff you like.......I know you probably may have punished yourself in the past not eating foods you like.....again assuming but its a traditional ED thing so....
how to best balance your food item choices?

I am impressed to see you can cheat like the best of us!!!  I am impressed, half of the gals with ED I work with use grains or fruit as cheat........so that is a good indicator to me at your stage in the cycle.  You are at least not THAT restrictive.

oh and thanks for the posting of the deep squat idea seoinage.......welcome to post here, guys can post here too!!!
Very correct on the deep squat, as long as your knees can take it and you do it with good form.

Okay so far this should help you blend all the ideas and suggestions from us into your plan.  We can work on the diet a bit hey?  feedback ily?

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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 10:26 AM ( #25 )
squats ftw! they'll add sexy mass all over i'd say squat every workout( depending on your routine i guess). or at least 2 times a week and eat a **** ton.

anyways i'll get myself out of here before the testosterone levels get too high in here.
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Friday, November 06, 2009 10:45 AM ( #26 )
I just thought I would tell you that your never going to look like anyone else.. I mean your not going to make your body to look exactly like someone elses body.  Our bodies are shaped totally different although she just might have a similar frame to you..  Don't strive to look like anyone else.. Just strive to be a better you because being a better you will make you unique and one day someone may prefer your physique over that other persons anyways. 

Your going to change alot if you listen to linda and  I think you will love the results.
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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:42 PM ( #27 )
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First I want to say that muscle will come, you lost so much that it will come but it will increase that scale number and you need to be prepared to handle that, you won't always look what the scale says since the scale is not all fat weight and you have to keep that in your head always.  If you want muscle gain, no matter how little, you will see scale numbers go up but you won't be fat........and you have lost muscle and so will gain it easy to begin so the scale may go up a bit, you don't have fat to exchange it for like in some cases where the scale stays stagnant while you gain muscle and lose fat. 
I think I'm mentally prepared for this. The reason I seeked help for muscle gain was because I wanted to make sure these numbers were mostly muscle. I'm afraid of fat, not muscle. If I still pinch my skin and feel same thickness, It's alright. I'm 43kg now. My first goal is 45kg, then I want to maintain for a while (Is this a good idea?) as I think it will give me peace of mind that I'm still in control. Then my second goal is 47kg - which is, actually looking back, the weight that kinda suited me best. But now that number  is (hopefully) gonna be even BETTER!
Next, the stuff Dan posts, the links hardway posted are excellent and very general for you to gleen from and customize to YOU, so do make use of it as you research.
Read it like a school text book. As you say, did find it hard to apply to my circumstance and kinda got me a bit fustrated (So So SO happy you poped up and are so kind to offer to help!)


You want to train at home most days and do a day at the gym per week right? Yep!
You don't want to log food which is fine, I did that too til a few years ago and now I don't again, I only log when a few months out from contest and such, when on intense goals, specific to you would be learning to eat normally without the need to log. 
Everyone is diff, I work with one gal who needs to log she is still recovering although out of recovery but it is helping her recover so its part of the deal, we are working her up to intuitive eating and bargaining with a higher cal version of her 'old' eating yet the cals in general are very low and NORMALLY I would be working to get them up intensely but in this case I am just happy she eats so if she stays above 600 cals I am happy and when she hits over a thousand I am very happy and encourage it so without you logging there has to be some type of gradient to ensure you are getting enough calories to support your work and goals.  The easiest thing is to be aware of eating every 2-3 hours and ensure some protein is in each meal and I mean real protein, not milk/nuts/beans.....those have protein but are NOT proteins.
 
 
If you are not opposed to it, I would at least keep some protein powder around so you can drink up some protein if you don't eat meat or whatever.
Focus on lots of produce and being you are very lean, you can afford fruits and grains just fine, whole food ones, healthy ones but again this is general, when doing a cheat meal, then don't worry about it too much and focus on just getting in 5-6 meals/snacks per day. 
Do not fear efas, if you want goals succeeding you need them to help, they help you stay lean, and run right.  You have many choices!
The thing is, I'm fooling myself that I dont log the food and in a way causing even more stress for myself. I have all these numbers in my head, and when I can I count the exact cals and if I'm missing exact quantity (no scales) I'll guesstimate. Sometimes I get scared I underestimated, and then I get scared I over estimated stuff. I donno, maybe I should just log the damn things. Or maybe we can agree on a kind of  number servings grain, vege, fruit, protein, efas per day? Either by cals or grams? 100g grain will always be around 350cals and fruit around 50cals and vege around 30cals and efas around 100cals per tbs. Its the protein I get confused about how much I actually need....and how much a serving of protein is - deck of cards, last I checked...And yes, Nuts=efas, Beans=carbs with benefits (protein). If you dont count milk as protein, I assume you dont agree with yoghurt? But surely cottage cheese counts? Actually, what does cheese in general count as? (low(er) fat or no fat, obviously) Tofu and TVP?
 
AS LONG AS SHE EATS OVER 600, HAPPY IF SHES OVER 1000?! Should she be training?!?!
My problem is that I realised I can have whatever the hell I want as long as I keep to portioncontrol/cut protion. E.g. I'd wake up, crave a pain au chocolate, go to the shops before school, eat half, throw in bin. I'd make dinner, put it on the plate, then feel anxious if I ate more then half. Get lunch with me to school, thinking I could handle 250cal sandwich, only to nibble at it and use the remaineder as a snack with lowcal soup for when I got home. Fancy pizza? Get one, have two slices, then realise "Its just a hot sandwich - what a waste!". Basically, I was having whatever the hell I wanted, but tricking myself into thinking that I was actually eating. This week I think I have stayed 1400-1700cals. (WOW, havnt done that for soooo long!). This weekend was terrible because of the stay in an another house, nothing too major, but felt a bit out of control and struggled. Oh well, back home now! :)
Because you need muscle and do not need any endurance cardio for fat burning, we can have fun with it, do anaerobic stuff which helps the shaping. GOOD! I always prefered streangh training kind of exercise! Your lifting can stay moderate if you work body weight too and exercise choices which challenge the muscle, then you can go a bit heavier on the gym day and utilize the equipment.

I would look at things like burpees, jump squats or squat leaps, tuck leaps, lunge leaps, skating side touches, walking lunges, smith lunge and squat all for time, done for speed, height and then later when you do well with them you can hold weights during these.  Great shapers and muscle coaxing but to the degree you are looking for.
I would use these and things like 1 min treadmill sprints between sets and that would make a great day or 2 of training blended with stuff like bi curls or chins, tri dips or kickbacks, V sits, crunches, knee raises.
for heavier days, 1-2 per week go for stuff like front squats with barbell, make one day in the gym maybe and then the home day you can do the front squat holding a chair for weight, books sit nice on chairs that are light to make them heavier.......and for gym you do leg press, chest machine which plate loades and at home you can do pushups, various types, gym work for mid rows at home do db rows......stuff like that.  so you have a day at gym and day at home doing some heavier muscle work.
Throw in some pilates work with the 2 at home days doing those leaps etc.
 
Oh my, I'm gonna have to research all of these exercises....But I'm seriously up for anything! Just give me the workout, the perfectionist in me will take care of the rest. Would 1min skipping rope be a good substitute for 1min treadmill? Press legs I'm alright with, and chest machine is fun, dont understad the "plate loads" reference though. And for all of these could you advice on the weight to put the machine at? Or is it better if I just experiment to find the right 8-10reps?

btw if you are not hungry, does not matter, you will train your metabolism and reset it to normal by eating 5-6 times per day, every 2-3 hours, not hungry?  have a protein drink, water and powder.....this will help and its not fair to train and not fuel for it, not fair to the body.  You will not overeat, but don't undereat, balance.....keep repeating that as your mantra. B A L A N C E
 
I know, my motto that i try to stick to is "Moderation is Perfection". I'm up for protein powder, the only thing that pisses me off is that I have such a small margin between weight gain and maintaining/losing. Is only 300cals! Thats so easy to underestimate/overestimate. I have an appatite most of the time, its just that I'm scared I'm misjudging hunger for something els like boredom or heartburn and I dont want to get into the habbit of eating when this happens. So yeah, I have come a long way to trust my body, but not quite at teh finish line.

Many of the suggestions hardway posted are excellent!  She beefed up your version and she sees you need to do look at lifting with a push....her idea of a barbell set is not a bad one at all.............your power 4 - chest press, deadlift, overhead and squat with barbell is essential.
Her advice nutritionally is correct, I assume you don't eat much crap food, processed etc.  Balance means you can have crap sometimes!  I balance it into my diet  a few times per week off season, but took me years to allow that.  Its all work and we all have our own time frames.
 
The "crap food" issue...you see, when  you loose weight, it doesnt really matter what you put in you, as long as its too little. You can loose weight on whatever junk you like. Furthermore, its even easier because of the satisfaction you get from eating it+guilt, so you dont fee hungry for a loooong while. However, before summer I was exercising alot and was really quite a health freak. So I knwo what's good nutrition and whats bad and I genuanly like healthy food - porridge, cottage cheese, grills(meat/fish), vegetables, wholegrain, tofu, edemame - bring it on! BTW, I was vegan for 1 year, that's why I'm, well, comfortable with tofu, edamame, natto and other odd stuff... I love to make food (when I'm in a good mood) and It's always the healthy version even if it is curry - lean meat and low cal coconut etc. Cooked food/warm food always satisfies me more. I think (If id allow myself) to eat just 5 sandwiches in a sitting I would still feel hungry/unsatified.
THERE IS NO BOY SECTION OF THE GYM, and remember, the members at the gym are not all there to see you or watch you, its you who feels this way but need to rethink THAT..who cares what they all think anyway, who are they any more than you?????.........I had the same thing, so self conscious and yeah some look but overall, people are not there to look at us, they have a life and there own reasons for being there and those who look - you cannot assume what others are thinking.......we can be looking and admire a gal and she may see us as jealous female and she may be thinking, 'wtf is that biatch looking at' when we are actually just admiring so always keep your mind in check.  That is what I find to this day to be the hardest part of the ED.  You do what you have to to get healthy, you do have that will power....its needed to have an ED, so divert that power into the healthy focus and ditch the rest, let those scary thoughts go when they come.......you will be so proud of yourself.
Sometimes when people look, they are admiring, thinking wow, she can train there and not be shy?  wow, or respect from the guys cuz you are actually in there doing something to improve your health instead of out causing trouble and you are not shy about joining them in their section because you need to in order to get YOUR job done, YOUR goals, not anyone elses goals, they look, who cares - let them fail their goals..........you achieve yours and they will be the ones looking at you with envy and inspiration to get their goals met!!!!
I'm alright with the machines....but a full BARBELL? Resting on my SHOULDERS?! How the **** do I get it there in the first place? How do i knwo how heavy to make it without tipping over? Jeese....I think that thing would cause an anxiaty attack!(I'm not kidding)
your pushups, do them on knees then or toes til failure then knees......they will never get better if you don't practice and as for the tri dips, feet on bench and weight on lap!
 
I can do push ups on knees forever....on my toes I can either do one or none. Tricep dips: CHECK!

your diet is not bad but could be better but we need you to learn to eat food you enjoy and not restrict too much so balance again.....I can make some suggestions but you should also use stuff you like.......I know you probably may have punished yourself in the past not eating foods you like.....again assuming but its a traditional ED thing so....
how to best balance your food item choices?
 
I wouldnt say I punished myself. I didnt feel comfortable with foods so I didnt touch them cause I knew I wasnt gonna enjoy a full fat piece of cheese or a motherload of noodles or something loaded with sugar. It just felt dirty and wrong to put that in my body/I didnt trust my body to not store it simply because it was so dirty. I'm out of that frame of mind. I trust my body can handle food basically. Not sure I can trust it it can convert food into muscle but i sure hope it will prove me wrong. I know that day wasn't excellent nutritionally, I wasnt trying to be, was trying to be "normal" and try "not to care". Again, I have changed my frame of mind and understand that I need to mix my old way with my new ways to be successful. But both those ways were a bit "malfuctioning" so its gonna be a bit hard. But do make any suggestions you think are appropiate, I think I knwo them all at teh back of my mind but reminders are always amazingly useful.

I am impressed to see you can cheat like the best of us!!!  I am impressed, half of the gals with ED I work with use grains or fruit as cheat........so that is a good indicator to me at your stage in the cycle.  You are at least not THAT restrictive.
Yeah, I'll cheat by eating half of the bad thing though - but hey, thats all you need to be satisfied! I have always loved fruit, only recently have I been a bit more sceptical of its benefits for some reason...And grains, I found that i need them to stop me from being hungry. I could stuff myself with vegetables(not potatoes parsnips etc) and meat, and especially cause its low fat, I either dont feel satisfied at the end of the meal or I get hungry really quickly - which fustrates me. I used to only be able to think about food non-stop (its started a bit again but I'm working on it) and feeling satisfied and not "fancying" anyingting for a few hours (4-5) is really liberating. However, I can work on the snacking between meals. I used to do that, but 1 month with my mum (that only eat 2 huge meals a day) really put me off doing that because of the stress it generated at the meals.
oh and thanks for the posting of the deep squat idea seoinage.......welcome to post here, guys can post here too!!!
Very correct on the deep squat, as long as your knees can take it and you do it with good form.
 
Yeah, we dont mind boys! I'm actually impressed you had the balls to post! ;)

Okay so far this should help you blend all the ideas and suggestions from us into your plan.  We can work on the diet a bit hey?  feedback ily?
 
I will work on the plan tomorrow. Its 1.40AM, just arrive home at 11:30PM. School at 8:30AM tomo....blerg.
 
PS. So for home exercises you dont recommend me buying anything?

Linda


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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:59 PM ( #28 )
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I just thought I would tell you that your never going to look like anyone else.. I mean your not going to make your body to look exactly like someone elses body.  Our bodies are shaped totally different although she just might have a similar frame to you..  Don't strive to look like anyone else.. Just strive to be a better you because being a better you will make you unique and one day someone may prefer your physique over that other persons anyways. 

Your going to change alot if you listen to linda and  I think you will love the results.

 
Problem is that the idea of a better me was skin and bones. If a man would like me the way I am now, it would cause me to go back to my unhealthy ways. I'm kinda fearing for anyone to glorify or even like the way I am now. I was called SCRAWNY (As in SCRAWNY old hag) by one of my best friends.
 
I do understand I'm not becoming someone els, I'm just perfecting myself. Never had any other way of seeing it. Sorry, if I sound like im barking back a bit, but I dont really understand what your point is....

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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:09 PM ( #29 )
i think he just means don't kill yourself trying to look like some star or whatever, but i think you get what I meant why body type or idea and from your post and samples of body shapes you like I see you get that anyway.

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Re:From skinny to sexy again - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:18 AM ( #30 )
I dont really know if I should write a sample "workout plan" untill you give me some feedback on the long post or not....how do you want to do it ItalianAngel?

I have taken the first step and think I'm going to the gym on Wednesday. So leg press and chest machine, anything els? (I know about the darbell sets, but those really do feel scary for some reason....)
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