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Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:54 PM
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Vegetarians are among the healthiest and longest living people on earth. For instance, although these cultures live in a harsh environment and eat little to no meat, the Russian Caucasians, the Yucatan Indians, the East Indian Todas, and the Pakistan Hunzakuts live to be 90 to 100 years old. The three cultures that live the longest in the world are the Vilcambas (Andes of Ecuador), the Abkhasians (Black Sea), and the Hunzas (Himalayas of Northern Pakistan). All three cultures are completely vegetarian or very close to it. The largest group, the Hunzas, only consume an average of 1.5% of total calories from animal products. The elderly in these cultures not only live to be over 100 years old, but live vital, healthy lives until their death. (Robbins, John. Diet for a New America. Walpole, New Hampshire: Stillpoint Publishing, 1987. 154-155.) Many laboratory tests have been conducted in order to compare the strength and stamina of meat-eaters against vegetarians. Yale Professor Irving Fisher selected men from three groups: meat-eating athletes, vegetarian athletes, and vegetarian sedentary subjects. He found that the meat-eating athletes showed far less endurance than even the sedentary vegetarians. Dr. J. Ioteyko of Paris performed a comparable study and found that vegetarians averaged two to three times more stamina than meat eaters. Also, he found that vegetarians only took one-fifth of the time to recover from exhaustion than did their meat-eating counterparts. A Danish study in 1968 revealed that men peddling on a stationary bicycle until muscle failure lasted an average of 114 minutes on a mixed meat and vegetable diet, 57 minutes on a high-meat diet, and a whopping 167 minutes on a strict vegetarian diet. (Robbins, John. Diet for a New America. Walpole, New Hampshire: Stillpoint Publishing, 1987. 156-158.) It is inarguable that a meatless diet is healthy. The overwhelming evidence, biblical and scientific, is in favor of a vegetarian diet, consisting of raw fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds, with limited amounts of whole grains, brown rice, potatoes, and legumes.
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Re:For vegetarians
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Friday, September 04, 2009 1:47 AM
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Biblical evidence? Wtf?
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Friday, September 04, 2009 4:00 AM
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Do you have sources of reference for any of these statements? I am not saying they are not true, I'd just like to read the source of any evidence.
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Friday, September 04, 2009 5:16 AM
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John Robbins (son of the founder of the Baskin Robbins ice cream empire) is a well-known and widely published vegan. I've read some of his work, and although he does meticulously document his sources, he can really grate on your nerves sometimes with his condescending tone. He has a tendency to browbeat. Kinda like me Seriously tho, I'd be interested in reading those studies without Mr. Robbins' editorial filter applied to them. If there are any lingering questions about the athletic merits of a vegetarian diet, let's just get Mr. Carl Lewis on the phone. Anyone who can land nine olympic gold medals on a plant-based diet has my vote of confidence
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Friday, September 04, 2009 8:36 AM
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Anything the bible says, I do the opposite.
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Friday, September 04, 2009 10:10 AM
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I think Johnny was just trying to preempt a common and extremely annoying criticism leveled at vegetarians by conservatives -the Biblical arguments for an omnivorous diet. Basically, they fall back on the old "God gave man dominion over the Earth" B.S., as though (even if it were true) that grants us license to do whatever we please with it. Personally, I think it's a waste of time arguing with people who believe that nonsense.
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Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:57 AM
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Sorry, but I believe that Biblical Evidence is an oxymoron. I also believe that most of the cultures that live these vegan lifestyles live in non-industrial civilizations which would skew any dietary to lifespan numbers due to the fact that their enviornments are different. I am not saying it is not true, just that it is not really and "apples to apples" comparison. The same sort of argument has been made about carnivorous persons of the planet having less diseases, like the Inuit people of the north. Just look at the whole picture before weighing your lifestyle options, as this can be a very cloudy issue.
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Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:41 AM
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optimumhealth Sorry, but I believe that Biblical Evidence is an oxymoron. I also believe that most of the cultures that live these vegan lifestyles live in non-industrial civilizations which would skew any dietary to lifespan numbers due to the fact that their enviornments are different. I am not saying it is not true, just that it is not really and "apples to apples" comparison. The same sort of argument has been made about carnivorous persons of the planet having less diseases, like the Inuit people of the north. Just look at the whole picture before weighing your lifestyle options, as this can be a very cloudy issue. Precisely! This is why I refrain from basing lifestyle advice on sweeping cultural comparisons. Nothing pisses me off more than listening to LCKD proponents bellow that high-protein diets are good for everyone because they seem to work just fine for Eskimos. Well pardon me, but are you an Eskimo? Are you the offspring of a long lineage of people who were raised eating that way and have biologically adapted to it? Are you nomadic? I didn't think so. I would be a hypocrite if I said "vegetarianism is good for everyone because it's obviously good for some isolated sub-Amazonian tribe."
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Re:For vegetarians
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Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:28 AM
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i second your opinion and words pal... vegetarians are very much like wat u just said... hope people find the facts behind these statements of yours.... best of luckk..
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