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For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Friday, June 26, 2009 3:11 PM ( #1 )
Next time you're at the grocery store, pick up canned sardines instead of tuna.  I know most people cringe at the thought of sardines, but of the few different brands I have bought, none of them look like fish.  They are just big hunks of meat that taste (and look) exactly like tuna.  Only difference is much less mercury, and it's got just as much Omega 3 as tuna.

And if you're near a Trader Joe's, look for their canned oysters.  Even lower in mercury, and 0.9g Omega 3 per can with 150 cals and 24g protein.  Plus they are delicious 

To some this might be stating the obvious, but hopefully someone will try it out and see what I mean.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Friday, June 26, 2009 4:05 PM ( #2 )
Can you comment on the differences in sodium content as well?
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Friday, June 26, 2009 4:13 PM ( #3 )
People claim tuna have so much mercury, probably true- But I've eating about a can per day for the past year or two and still feel exactly the same.

Isn't it funny how when we were brought up, people told us fish was "brain food" and good for concentration or whatever, just to find our the complete opposite on how due to our terrible treatment of our own water by polluting the **** out of it we now have to pay consequences to fish being nearly bad for us?

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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Friday, June 26, 2009 6:08 PM ( #4 )
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Can you comment on the differences in sodium content as well?



110mg in my sardines,  190mg in my oysters.  That's per serving, which is 12g protein for the sardines and 10g protein for the oysters.  I checked starkist's site for the tuna, and it's 180mg or 200mg per serving (depending on chunk light vs. solid white albacore).

And I just realized that those oysters are only 10g protein per can.  But the sardines are 24g per can.


Granted, different companies will supply fish with different nutrient content, but that's just my quick comparison.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Friday, June 26, 2009 6:18 PM ( #5 )
Interesting, might have to give it a try, thanks
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Friday, June 26, 2009 6:28 PM ( #6 )
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Friday, June 26, 2009 6:29 PM ( #7 )
are they as cheap as tuna?
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Friday, June 26, 2009 8:35 PM ( #8 )
Not sure.  I haven't bought tuna in a while.  I get a 5 pack of sardines at costco for about $7.50 tho.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:17 AM ( #9 )
Pfft I eat like 2-5 cans of tuna a day, nothing wrong with me...






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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:54 AM ( #10 )
Just because you have been eating tuna and feel fine doesn't mean you are immune to mercury poisoning.  It is a real sickness, and tuna has a lot of mercury in it.  Anyone can get sick from it.

I can swallow a little bit of detergent right now and feel fine, but that doesn't mean it's not dangerous.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:48 AM ( #11 )
lol I know, I was just making a joke. In all seriousness I have been looking for an alternative to tuna and will check out sardines.



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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:49 AM ( #12 )
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Next time you're at the grocery store, pick up canned sardines instead of tuna.  I know most people cringe at the thought of sardines, but of the few different brands I have bought, none of them look like fish.  They are just big hunks of meat that taste (and look) exactly like tuna.  Only difference is much less mercury, and it's got just as much Omega 3 as tuna.

And if you're near a Trader Joe's, look for their canned oysters.  Even lower in mercury, and 0.9g Omega 3 per can with 150 cals and 24g protein.  Plus they are delicious 

To some this might be stating the obvious, but hopefully someone will try it out and see what I mean.


I have to agree on everything but the taste. To me, they taste nothing like Tuna but do taste very similar to Salmon. I love the things and prefer the Sardines packed in water instead of Oil. The ones in Louisiana Hot Sauce and Mustard are not bad.

They are very good and no one should be afraid to give them a try.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:26 PM ( #13 )
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I have to agree on everything but the taste. To me, they taste nothing like Tuna but do taste very similar to Salmon. I love the things and prefer the Sardines packed in water instead of Oil. The ones in Louisiana Hot Sauce and Mustard are not bad.

They are very good and no one should be afraid to give them a try.


Hmm... maybe it's just the kind I have then.  I get them from either Trader Joe's or Costco and both brands taste EXACTLY like tuna, and nothing like salmon.  I get them packed in oil, man I love them in oil.


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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:38 PM ( #14 )
How can you guys stand tuna? lol. I hate the taste, I have chicken all the time. But I do like fish, but just not canned tuna.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:02 PM ( #15 )
VDK if you would add in some light mayo to your tuna you'd love it (assuming you haven't tried it already).

I could be blind folded and tell if something was healthy or not though, cause if it tastes like it came out of a rats ass most likely it's good for you, if it tastes good and leaves you filling full most likely it's terrible for your health and will cause a 5% increase in bodyfat from that meal alone.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:42 AM ( #16 )
Tuna + bread crumbs + mayo (maybe cream cheese), deep fried in olive oil, that is tasty but totally unhealthy for you. :D

Scramble some eggs and toss the tuna in just before the eggs are done cooking so the tuna isn't destroyed, add a little cheese, and it should taste similar to shredded puke. Don't forget the full servings of greens, maybe some cherries!
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Monday, June 29, 2009 5:30 AM ( #17 )
mmk well I've just done a whole load of research on mercury poisoning, and discovered I have over 600% RWA intake of mercury. I'm going to be going to the doctors tomorrow for a blood test to find out how severe it is and if its high then I'll likely be getting a couple injections and tablets to flush mercury out of my system. I stop eating any seafood from today until I know the results. I wouldn't be so worried apart from I've recently had problems with cloudy vision and the nerves under my eyes twitching, and with nerve damage - a symptom being twitching - and cloudy vision both as symptoms of onsetting mercury poisoning then I'm a bit anxious. I guess I've been an idiot.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Monday, June 29, 2009 7:10 PM ( #18 )
I think the hype about mercury in tuna is nothing but that.  I have been eating 8-12 cans (4 at a time) per day for the last year or so, and I haven't seen any problems.  I'm a college student trying to eat 500-600 grams of protein per day on a budget, so 25 grams of animal protein for 75-80 cents is too good not to take big advantage of.  I've also heard that the Chunk Light variety (what I eat, cheaper than Albacore) is much lower in mercury because it is caught when it's still too young to have absorbed much.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Monday, June 29, 2009 8:43 PM ( #19 )

I think the hype about mercury in tuna is nothing but that.


It's not hype.  I am part of Tom Venuto's Inner Circle.  He does some outstanding research articles.  I'll see if I can ask for permission to re-post at least portions of it on his detailed mercury and fish article.

If I can, I will return and post here.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Monday, June 29, 2009 9:25 PM ( #20 )
The following portion is taken with permission from Tom Venuto's Inner Circle

The Latest News On Tuna Fish And Mercury: Is Our Favorite "Healthy" Fish Still Safe to Eat?
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The fish most likely to be contaminated with unsafe levels of mercury are those highest up on the food chain, including shark, king mackerel, tilefish and swordfish. These larger, longer-lived predatory fish feed on the smaller fish and retain in their bodies the contaminants that were in the small fish.

The fish/seafood containing the least mercury are salmon, trout, catfish, haddock, flounder, sole, herring, tilapia, pollock, crab, clams, scallops or shrimp.

And what about tuna fish -- that classic bodybuilding and fitness staple food? That depends on the type of tuna. In 1994, the FDA said that certain species of large tuna, usually sold as fresh tuna, tuna steaks or sushi, were likely to have mercury contamination above the danger level of 1 part per million. The smaller tuna species (usually sold as canned "chunk light" tuna), have much lower levels of mercury (averaging about 0.17 ppm).

Albacore tuna was brought to widespread attention in more recent advisories as a potential significant source of mercury as it contains three times a much as the light tuna.

The FDA released its first mercury advisory warning in 1994 called, "Mercury in Fish: Cause For Concern?" This document advised the public that shark and swordfish were high in mercury, and could be consumed safely by most people if eaten no more than once per week, as part of a balanced diet, and only once per month for pregnant or nursing women.

In 2001, the FDA upgraded their advisory, recommending that if you are (1) pregnant, (2) a woman who may become pregnant, (3) a nursing mother, or (4) a young child, you should avoid shark, swordfish, king mackerel and tilefish entirely, but you can eat up to two meals (12 ounces total) a week of low mercury fish and seafood (including light canned tuna and others).

The guidelines were again revised in 2004 when the FDA and EPA jointly issued one set of recommendations that also included guidelines for albacore tuna consumption. Albacore tuna was not listed as a fish to limit or avoid in the FDA's initial advisories in 1994 or 2001. In this update, the two agencies advised that women in the four categories mentioned above should completely avoid shark, swordfish, king mackerel and tilefish, but may safely eat up to two meals a week of low mercury seafood, up to 12 ounces total, 6 ounces of which can be albacore tuna.

According to Marion Nestle, author of "Food Politics" and "What To Eat," the FDA's prior omission of an albacore tuna advisory was an "odd oversight" because while not as high in mercury as shark or swordfish, albacore contains more mercury than the "chunk light" varieties of tuna. She also revealed that industry lobbyists urged the FDA to keep albacore tuna off the mercury advisory list because the tuna industry worried that consumers would interpret the advice to "reduce" or "avoid albacore tuna" as "avoid all tuna."

In December 2005, The Center For Science In The Public Interest (CSPI), published a press release criticizing the FDA even more sharply for this "oversight" and urging the FDA to require easy-to-understand advice about mercury in fish right at the seafood counter, in order to warn the high-risk consumer groups (pregnant women, etc). California already posts warnings, as do (voluntarily) several major grocers, such as Wild Oats.

In July 2006, CPSI released another statement which proposed that even greater distinctions should be made in tuna advisories because the "government's advise is not protective enough for many pregnant women and young children." The reason given was because according to CSPI's sources, imported light tuna from latin America, especially Ecuador, contains unacceptably high levels of mercury. CPSI advised pregnant women and those planning pregnancy to "eat fish, but avoid shark, swordfish, tilefish and king mackerel, and avoid all albacore and light tuna brands that come from Latin America."

This is all a very sad state of affairs as tuna fish has been a favorite of fitness and bodybuilding enthusiasts for decades. I know a lot of bodybuilders who still eat can after can of tuna every day; some literally live on it as their prime protein source. Today, unfortunately, that may be unwise (although it's somewhat unclear whether the risks are overstated in the case of large, healthy, male bodybuilders).

In bodybuilding and fitness nutrition, it's common to become habitual about eating one "favorite" food, such as tuna out of the can. But it's always good general nutrition advice to eat a wide variety of foods (including lean proteins), not only to obtain the variety of nutrients they offer, but to avoid excessive consumption of chemicals they may also contain. Mercury is not the only one.

I'm no alarmist or "food cop", but having been one of those several-cans-of-tuna-a-day-guys in the past, even I have reduced my tuna intake slightly in favor of more salmon and a wider variety of other fish, I also choose more chunk light when I eat canned tuna today. On a brighter note, chunk light is less expensive. If you've been a 100% canned tuna dependent person, try some canned salmon for variety - it works perfectly for nearly any tuna recipe and is actually higher in omega-3 than tuna.

It would be very prudent to take the mercury advisories seriously, but as with many other nutrition issues, moderation is probably the best advice, rather than total paranoia. The truth is, almost all health organizations continue to recommend eating fatty fish such as salmon, herring, trout or sardines at least twice per week in order to provide the healthy omega-3 essential fatty acids and other nutritional benefits.

The experts also strongly agree that (except for pregnant women), the benefits of fish consumption far outweigh the risks and nearly all the risks can be avoided by following the guidelines established by the various agencies that are outlined above. Bottom line: keep eating your fish, but make informed choices and know which fish species to limit or avoid.

Resource Links:

American Heart Association's report, "Fish, levels Of Mercury and Omega-3 fatty Acids":
http://www.americanhear...jhtml?identifier=3013797

Fish Intake, Contaminants and Human Health: Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA):
http://jama.ama-assn.or...content/full/296/15/1885

2004 EPA and FDA advice for women who might become pregnant, women who are pregnant, nursing mothers and young children:
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/admehg3.html

Department of Health and Human Services - Mercury Toxicological Profile:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp46.html

Seafood Watch
www.SeafoodWatch.org

References

Too much of a good thing? Update on fish consumption and mercury exposure.Levenson CW, Axelrad DM. Nutr Rev. 2006 Mar;64(3):139-45. Program in Neuroscience and the Department of Nutrition, Food & Exercise Sciences, Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida 32306-4340, USA.

The good, the bad, and the ugly: weighing the risks and benefits of seafood consumption.Morrissey MT.Nutr Health. 2006;18(2):193-7. Oregon State University Seafood Laboratory, USA.

Mercury in seafood: mechanisms of accumulation and consequences for consumer health.Balshaw S, Edwards J, Daughtry B, Ross K. Rev Environ Health. 2007 Apr-Jun;22(2):91-113. Department of Environmental Health, School of Medicine, Flinders University GPO Box 2100 Adelaide, South Australia 5001.

The following portion is taken with permission from Tom Venuto's Inner Circle

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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Monday, June 29, 2009 11:23 PM ( #21 )
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Thanks for the response, interesting read.  I do eat the chunk lite stuff, though, and I don't think any bodybuilder resorting to tuna over chicken, steak, or salmon is going to go with the more expensive albacore anyway, especially when you factor in how easy it is to chew (or not chew) the lite.

Given the government's horrendous track record of running just about anything, I'm skeptical of the accuracy of an FDA report.  That having been said, what is a dangerous level of mercury?  Is even the 1 part per million of the albacore something to be concerned about?  What is the concern for a 250-pound bodybuilder compared to a 130-150 pound pregnant woman?  I'd be interested to see a report or study that found (or didn't find) ill effects from ingesting mercury.

Not trying to be argumentative or anything, I just like a good debate and this is pretty interesting.  Thanks for taking the time to post an article.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:59 PM ( #22 )
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I have to agree on everything but the taste. To me, they taste nothing like Tuna but do taste very similar to Salmon. I love the things and prefer the Sardines packed in water instead of Oil. The ones in Louisiana Hot Sauce and Mustard are not bad.

They are very good and no one should be afraid to give them a try.


Hmm... maybe it's just the kind I have then.  I get them from either Trader Joe's or Costco and both brands taste EXACTLY like tuna, and nothing like salmon.  I get them packed in oil, man I love them in oil.


I have never thought they tasted like Tuna and have tried several different brands. Try the ones in water and see if there is a difference in taste to you.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Monday, July 06, 2009 7:56 PM ( #23 )
I actually tried a different brand from TJ's last week that was packed in water, and the meat was still colored like the actual fish and it did taste more like salmon, I didn't find it too appetizing.  The ones in oil were much better.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:45 PM ( #24 )
Yes, in water they are colored much as when alive. They do have ones packed in Olive Oil I believe, which would provide some healthy fats. They are, if you can find them, canned Fish Steaks, which are small fillets of fish-not sure of the type of fish-but they are good and, I thought, had a bit better flavor than Sardines.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:52 PM ( #25 )

Given the government's horrendous track record of running just about anything, I'm skeptical of the accuracy of an FDA report. That having been said, what is a dangerous level of mercury? Is even the 1 part per million of the albacore something to be concerned about? What is the concern for a 250-pound bodybuilder compared to a 130-150 pound pregnant woman? I'd be interested to see a report or study that found (or didn't find) ill effects from ingesting mercury.


Mercury never leaves your system... so it is a cumulative poisoning... a 130 pregnant woman eats like one (small amounts of mercury is much more dangerous for the 1 pound fetus), a 250 pound builder eats like a builder, so if Tuna is a major staple of your diet, you have as much to be concerned about as preggers over there. because you will eat much more, canceling out the differences in your body body weight... storing all the mercury you consume, and have over the years.. until you are a drooling moraon.
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Re:For those worried about the mercury content of tuna - Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:01 PM ( #26 )
It does leave your system but very slowly, it has to go through your liver, through your kidneys and is eventually flushed, but this is a very long and slow process taking several months or years.

* Selenium
* Iron
* Zinc
* Manganese
* Sulfur

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Are all helpful in speeding up this process.

Infact you can also have medical treatment in the form of medication and injections which speed this process up even further, although I think you need to be at risk before these options are available.
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