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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:01 AM ( #151 )
Dan, could you tell me what the leanest form of buffalo (bison) meat is? I looked into using it as a lean protein (as I like the beef taste, but beef twice a day gives a little too much fat), but can't figure out what the leanest cut is called. Typically I found Top Sirloin or Tenderloin to be the leanest in beef steak, does it hold true for Buffalo steak as well?

On fitday.com they only have a general listing for Buffalo meat. For 4oz of the meat it has: 112 calories, 1.55 grams of fat, and 23 grams of protein. That seems VERY lean, I guess which cut would that most likely be close to?

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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:23 PM ( #152 )
I believe the names associated with the cuts are consistent from beef to buffalo. 
I think most also list the % fat on the package, as that relates to the flavor/grade.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:52 PM ( #153 )
Thanks. If I decide to try the buffalo meat, I'll probably email the company and make sure on the nutritional information before ordering. I know the beef sold at my local grocery store is just packaged without a grid telling the calories, fat, protein etc. so it wouldn't hurt to ask.

In the next few weeks I'll be putting together my meal plans, fitday, and all that good stuff so I'll let you know what I come up with. I'm still in the process of trying different foods and finding recipes that use the foods I need in order to enhance the taste to my liking.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Monday, June 09, 2008 1:35 PM ( #154 )

Trying to cut & retain/build muscle

Is there such thing as too much protein?

Well, yes, and no.

Try to start the cut with a good ratio and slowly modify the nutrient ratios over time.

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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:37 PM ( #155 )
I usually play ice hockey games every Saturday. Should I use that day as one of my HIIT cardio days, or should I still do HIIT 3 days during the week?

Should I get 0.2 grams of protein per body weight and BCAA's before/after my hockey games as well as my HIIT/lifting days?
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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:53 PM ( #156 )

Should I get 0.2 grams of protein per body weight and BCAA's before/after my hockey games as well as my HIIT/lifting days?

Yes, if you want to spare muscle.  If you play for more than 45 minutes, you might consider sipping diluted carbs and BCAA during.


I usually play ice hockey games every Saturday. Should I use that day as one of my HIIT cardio days, or should I still do HIIT 3 days during the week?

It is good exercise.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:06 AM ( #157 )
Thanks. Should my hockey game days replace one day of HIIT though?
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:26 AM ( #158 )
The point is that it is excellent interval training and you should simply plan accordingly.

There is not a wrong of right as far as replacing a HIIT day..but it is NOT a progressive program as your HIIT should be....
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:37 AM ( #159 )
Would playing hockey one day a week ruin my HIIT progression training? I can plan to get pre/post nutrition for days I play hockey, that's not a problem, but I wouldn't want to ruin my HIIT by playing hockey.

I was planning like:

Monday: lift
Tuesday: HIIT
Wednesday: lift
Thursday: HIIT
Friday: lift
Saturday?: HIIT during the day Hockey games at night (pre/post nutrition before/after each activity)
Sunday: OFF
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:03 AM ( #160 )
I don't see a problem.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Friday, August 15, 2008 10:14 PM ( #161 )
I found this thread and your gaining thread very useful without it i would be very lost.
Dan could u please have a look at my cutting diet to make sure im not doing anything stupid.
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=416304&mpage=1#417118
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RE: For Losing Fat - Monday, September 01, 2008 9:23 PM ( #162 )
What multivitamin do you recommend? I remember in someone elses journal a while ago you recommended one, but I can't see to find it.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Monday, September 01, 2008 9:51 PM ( #163 )
Rule #1  Read the fillers...
If there are artificial ingredients (colors, flavors, preservatives...) then don't use it.

Rule #2
Start with the basics.  Just get what is essential.  No hype.

Going beyond that, there are all sorts of fine distinctions as to the best forms of vitamins, etc.
Beyond that there are bonus ingredients...anti-oxs, phyto-nutrients, enzymes, super-foods...

Bottom line...the MV is just to insure you don't have any glaring deficiencies.

So, the extras are usually in VERY small amounts and, with few exceptions, not of as high a value to you.
The major essential Vitamins and minerals are the kings...the rest are mostly minor players by comparison

I have been using this..
Vegan One Multiple Multivitamin
1 a day

Every now and then I change to see if there is some variation in my response.
Most MVs have about the same amounts give or take...some have higher A or C or D etc...
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RE: For Losing Fat - Monday, September 01, 2008 11:22 PM ( #164 )
Should I also take a vitamin for Calcium? I won't be eating any dairy so I could see myself having a deficiency in Calcium.

The same company who makes the one you recommended also makes this one:

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SO-1753

Thoughts?
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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:02 AM ( #165 )
There are plenty of good vegetable sources of calcium.

That said, if you are training for muscle gains, then calcium is slightly more important.

There are different "types" when it comes to the way we each process food. 
Some types do require more calcium.  A simple, one time dietary analysis of your diet, including estimated intake of the vitamins and minerals, would give you an idea of how much you take in and therefor an idea where and how much the deficiency might be.

For example, my diet, when I am seriously training is deficient on paper for calcium.  However, I don't do so well taking the RDA.

Get veggies with every meal.  That will go a long way to lower your need for excess calcium.
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Re:For Losing Fat - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:57 PM ( #166 )
hey dan, i loved the article. i have been trying to find out how effective/ineffective cardio is for fat burning. some have the arguement that cardio will burn away muscle after glycogen depletion, which has a negative effect for metabolism and overall fat burn. why would the body do that as opposed to burning off fat energy, which others argue is the main source of energy used during moderate cardio intensity? is it because more energy is gained through breaking down muscle?

Which one does the body tend to do? Why?


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Re:For Losing Fat - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:53 PM ( #167 )
A question that is asked and answered frequently.

The short answer is simple.  Yes, that can happen.  There is no absolute guarantee that you will burn all or even mostly fat when you do cardio.  In fact you don't burn all fat, and the choice of energy substrate is based on the envirnment you subject yourself to. 

Let me just make up some ballpark numbers for you to think about.  If everything is average to excellent as far as the environment for fat burning...Steady state burns lets say 6 calories per minute and lets say 85% of those are from fat at the 15 minute point.  The other 15% would then be from glucose/muscle.  Now, HIIT might burn 12 calories per minute, but lets say 65% is from fat.  So 20 minutes of either could burn roughly 100 calories of fat for steady state, to 150 calories from fat for HIIT.  At the same time you would be burning glycogen and eventually, muscle to make up the remaining calories burned.

Burning fat optimally requires a few things to be optimal.  If they are not, muscle is a fine energy source and the body will instruct itself to resort to it.

If your diet, rest, recovery, and other factors are off, then fat burning can be interrupted and muscle burning can happen when the glycogen runs out.

There are neurotransmitters and enzymes that we can improve the production/reception of, and these tell the body to burn fat.  The more practice you have, the better your body gets at it.

I just wrote an argument in response to a similar question and I will share it here.  Otherwise, skim the 13 pages for some of my other replies and it should fill out about 90% of the answer to your questions.

I have more I would add... but the basics are covered in the first post!
Diet has to be optimal and not deficient.  Water is ESSENTIAL, rest and relaxation are massive, timing of nutrition matters, tracking results helps, but progression and variance are foundational.

If you have more questions about this and want a more in depth answer to something specific, ask away!  I realize that my answer here has been fairly general.

The Article....

Don’t look to cardiovascular exercise to lose body fat
 
    For decades, when someone wanted to lose body fat, the universal instruction that they have received has been that they must do cardiovascular exercise.  Magazines of every kind have touted the newest fad cardio system for “burning off that annoying fat.”  More recently, the focus has been on special lifestyle strategies for losing fat.  However, underlying each new approach is usually a plan to increase cardiovascular exercise.  The mistaken belief has been that a plan of steady-state cardiovascular exercise will, by itself, lead to a long-term reduction in body fat.  This has not proven to be an effective approach and it is not supported by research.
    Research has shown that the results from undertaking steady-state cardiovascular exercise alone are often the reverse of what has been touted.  Instead, it has been found that solely pursuing a long-term practice of steady-state cardiovascular exercise, rather than leading to overall reductions in body fat, has frequently caused a reduction in lean tissue (muscle and other tissue that is the place in the body where fat is burned.) This can easily result in an overall decrease in resting metabolic rate (the rate at which the body burns calories during periods of non-exercise) (Hansen, Dendale, Berger, van Loon, & Meeusen, 2007).  In the long term, this act of reducing the amount of muscle tissue, and thus slowing the overall rate at which calories are burned in the body, introduces the all-to-often realized risk of long-term maintenance of or even increase in body fat stores (Ibid).
     While cardiovascular exercise does impart many benefits to the cardiovascular and respiratory systems, and while it may increase caloric expenditure during a bout of cardiovascular exercise, the overall physiological effect of solely pursuing a long term practice of steady-state cardiovascular exercise has not been found to lead to long term reductions in body fat (Donnelly et al., 2009).  While body fat may play a role in energy expenditure during a bout of steady-state cardiovascular exercise, the long term outlook is that the same steady-state cardiovascular exercise practiced over time will result in lower and lower energy expenditures as the body adapts and becomes more efficient at responding to the demands of training (Gardner, Poehlman, & Corrigan, 1989).  In response to this, people who practice steady-state cardiovascular exercise have tended to increase the duration and frequency of their training.  This has lead to a faster rate of adaptation to training and an overall lowering of long-term caloric expenditure from exercise (Ibid).  Additionally, some individuals, in order to continue to see benefits from their steady-state cardiovascular exercise, have increased their training time to periods in excess of 90 minutes per day.  One result of this is the loss of additional lean mass through the conversion of lean muscle in to glucose to meet energy needs: a process called gluconeogenisis (Hansen, Dendale, Berger, van Loon, & Meeusen, 2007).
    The long held belief has been that cardiovascular exercise burns fat and that resistance exercise builds muscle.  These two statements refer to two different processes that are not mutually exclusive, and this confusion has contributed to the formation of the mistaken belief about the relationship between cardiovascular exercise and fat burning.  Closer to accurate but still misleading is when cardiovascular exercise is touted as aerobic training, meaning training that occurs in the presence of oxygen, while progressive resistance training is touted as anaerobic training, or training that occurs without the need for oxygen.  Part of this misunderstanding comes from a misuse of terms and lack of clarity concerning the underlying concepts.  Sadly, in response to this mistaken use of concepts nearly everyone, including, gyms, physicians, and trainers, has promoted cardiovascular exercise as the ideal way to lose fat.
    The choices in terminology that have been used to describe the various types of exercise are based on the underlying chemistry in the energy systems of the human body.  In simple terms, fat is an energy source that requires oxygen, while blood sugar, or glycogen, can be converted to energy without vast inputs of oxygen.  Muscle that performs the brunt of repetitive, cardiovascular type exercise is known as Type I, or slow-twitch, Oxidative muscle fiber.  Type I muscle fiber has a very high capillary density, which, among other things, provides the muscle with large amounts of oxygen (accounting for the term aerobic) and removes fatigue byproducts rapidly.  Muscle that is primarily used in progressive resistance training is known as Type II (this can be A, B, or A/B), or fast-twitch, Glycolytic muscle fiber. This muscle fiber has a low capillary density, which provides only a small supply of oxygen (accounting for the term anaerobic) and removes fatigue byproducts slowly (Seeley, Stephens, & Tate, 2008).
    Contrary to the belief that cardiovascular type exercise burns fat, the human body has two primary sources of energy that it can utilize during cardiovascular type exercise: fat and/or glucose, while the primary energy source during resistance training is glucose.  It should be noted that the energy expended during a bout of cardiovascular exercise compared to a bout of resistance training is about the same, roughly eight calories per minute (American Council on Exercise, 2001). However, the rate at which the body burns calories in the hours following cooling down from progressive resistance training is considerably elevated, while for most bouts of steady-state cardiovascular exercise, the body returns to it’s normal resting metabolic rate rapidly after cooling down (Burleson, O'Bryant, Stone, Collins, & Triplett-McBride, 1998).  Another point to recall is that muscle is the place in the body where fat is burned, and any increase in the amount of this lean tissue will increase the body’s overall capacity for fat burning on a day to day basis.  As has already been pointed out, steady-state cardiovascular exercise can have a muscle depleting effect and thus the reverse effect on the body’s overall capacity for fat burning.
    To illuminate a more accurate and effective approach to losing body fat, we can again look to findings in published research. Research has been done comparing different modalities for fat loss, and the most consistent finding is that when one compares long-term programs following steady-state cardiovascular exercise with either a) long-term programs following combined steady-state cardiovascular exercise and progressive resistance training, or b) long-term programs following stand alone progressive resistance training, one finds that the latter two are seen to result in maintenance of lean mass, increase in total energy expenditure, and drops in body fat, while stand alone steady-state cardiovascular exercise is seen to have a drop in lean mass and no drop or an increase in body fat (Geliebter et al., 1997). 
    These findings should have realigned and had a significant effect upon the thinking of everyone involved in fitness and fat loss.  One might reasonably have hoped for a complete re-visioning of the fat loss exercise paradigm.  Combined with the current findings on the additive benefits of manipulation of macronutrients and calories, there should not be any trouble in helping individuals achieve their goals when those goals include fat loss.
    Worth noting, are the consistent findings showing that, for people who are deconditioned and overweight, beginning a program of cardiovascular exercise can lead to a short term loss of fat and an increase in overall fitness and other major health measures.  For these populations, the same benefit is derived from beginning a progressive resistance-training program (Donnelly et al., 2009).  Additionally, there are cardiovascular regimens that follow a program of long term, non-linear, intensity progressions that have all the benefits of cardiovascular exercise and have been shown to attenuate muscle loss (Ibid).
    What is now known is that, if all other factors are equal, stand alone progressive resistance training programs and programs that combine progressive cardiovascular exercise with progressive resistance training can lead to reasonable sustainable fat loss, maintenance of lean tissue, and the improvement in overall health measures.  In fact, it has been noted by many researchers that the addition of progressive resistance training to fat loss regimens leads to greater fitness program adherence (Pollock et al., 1998).  Conversely, the age-old practice of doing long-term steady-state cardiovascular exercise has repeatedly been shown to lead to lean tissue loss, which can lead to sarcopenia and a reduction in overall health measures (Vella, Kravitz, ND).  The confidence in long-term steady-state cardiovascular training programs for fat loss is not reasonable.  With the volume of research available demonstrating successful methods for accomplishing fat loss goals, there should no longer be the mistaken reliance on long-term steady-state cardiovascular training programs for fat loss.
 
References:
1.    American Council on Exercise. (2001). Calorie Burners: Activities That Turn Up The Heat. Fit Facts. San Diego, CA. (NA).
2.    Burleson, M., O'Bryant, H., Stone, M., Collins, M., Triplett-McBride, T. (1998). Effect of weight training exercise and treadmill exercise on elevated post-exercise oxygen consumption. Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, 30, 518-22.
3.    Donnelly, J., Blair, S., Jakicic, J., Manore, M., Rankin, J., Smith, B. (2009). Appropriate Physical Activity Intervention Strategies for Weight Loss and Prevention of Weight Regain for Adults. Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, 41(2), 459-471.
4.    Gardner, A., Poehlman, E., Corrigan, D. (1989). Effect of endurance training on gross energy expenditure during exercise.  Human Biology, 61(4), 559-69.
5.    Geliebter, A., Maher, M., Gerace, L., Gutin, B., Heymsfield, S., Hashim, S. (1997).  Effects of strength or aerobic training on body composition, resting metabolic rate, and peak oxygen consumption in obese dieting subjects.  American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 66, 557-563.
6.    Hansen, D., Dendale, P., Berger, J., van Loon, L., Meeusen, R. (2007). The Effects of Exercise Training on Fat-Mass Loss in Obese Patients During Energy Intake Restriction. Sports Medicine, 37 (1), 31-46.
7.    Pollock, M., Gaesser, G., Butcher, J., Després, J., Dishman, R., Franklin, B., Garber, C. (1998).  The Recommended Quantity and Quality of Exercise for Developing and Maintaining Cardiorespiratory and Muscular Fitness, and Flexibility in Healthy Adults. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, 30(6), 975-91.
8.    Seeley, R., Stephens, T., Tate, P. (2008). Anatomy and Physiology (8th Edition). Columbus, OH: McGraw-Hill College
9.    Vella, C., Kravitz, L. (ND). Sarcopenia: The Mystery of Muscle Loss. IDEA Personal Trainer, 13(4), 30-35.  Retrieved from: http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/sarcopenia.html

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Re:For Losing Fat - Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:58 PM ( #168 )
I'm curious to learn more about how the body's metabolism is elevated after physical resistance training.  I've read about post something something oxidation whatever, I dunno what it was called or where I read it, maybe from you.  Do you have links to articles you have written on this subject.  I'm also curious after strenuous physical exercise if it will just burn calories you ingest or pull from fat stores if you have a moderate amount of carbs after workout+protein. I feel more lean after workouts without even doing cardio. 

I am going to be trimming up again in a couple months, I would like to just reduce my calories a bit, do a session of HIIT on friday after my shoulder routine, and stick to my usual 4 day workout program.  The last time I really dieted and trimmed up I was doing 45 minutes of slow steady cardio atleast 3 times a week usually 4 at nights, and my lifting in morning after breakfast 5 days a week. I don't want to do that again!!!!!!
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Re:For Losing Fat - Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:15 PM ( #169 )
There are lots of names thrown about for the post exercise "elevated post-exercise oxygen consumption," then there is the TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) rise from having more metabolically active tissue.

Steady state cardio tends to train the body to adapt to the effects of the cardio and return the body to baseline energy expenditure quickly.

Training with intense resistance training in a progressive program, or using HIIT type or other progressive type exercise can lead to the body expending calories for a longer period post exercise.

Adding muscle can add to your total caloric expenditure.

If your training is non-linear and progressive, your adaptation to it will not be fast, and your energy expenditure will be higher.

As for reducing calories...while you will increase energy expenditure...that is the way you lose muscle.

Consider establishing a baseline in your nutrient ratios.
Then gradually change them.

Progressions are the key to ongoing progress.
as your body adapts, you move the stimuli...the body adapts again....etc
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Re:For Losing Fat - Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:22 PM ( #170 )
Oh!

I'm also curious after strenuous physical exercise if it will just burn calories you ingest or pull from fat stores if you have a moderate amount of carbs after workout+protein. I feel more lean after workouts without even doing cardio.


Not all calories are equal.
If the goal is fat loss, then the ideal nutrient to consume pre and post training is protein.  This has been shown to do a few things, one is to protect muscle from being catabolized to meet energy needs.  Another is that insulin is not spiked so fat storage is not promoted, meaning fat burning is still on track.  Glucagon is being produced instead and this hormone does help with the fat to energy conversion.  The body uses the protein for repair during the post window and this requires more energy.

If you consumed simple carbs, then fat burning would likely cease and carbs would be used.
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Re:For Losing Fat - Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:34 PM ( #171 )
Thanks for the good info and responses. Will definately help in perfecting my nutrition and training.
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Re:For Losing Fat - Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:33 PM ( #172 )
Thank you so much,dan, for the reply. I've been trying to get to the bottom of the cardio issue. I've recently read the abs diet book, where i first learned of these principles. Then I find your article here displaying the same principles described in a bit more detail.
When i tried to tell my overweight friend about this to help her out, she acted like i was crazy and told me that she needs to do 45 minutes of cardio at least in a session and that she has been told this by different trainers and such. Like you said, it has been the general consensus for years that you need cardio to burn fat.

Is it that these findings are recent (meaning last few years)?
How come this knowledge is not becoming mainstream?


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Re:For Losing Fat - Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:47 PM ( #173 )
No, this is old knowledge.  However, it does require a tiny bit of finesse to understand and apply what works.

In fact you need a certain environment to burn fat and cardiorespiratory (meaning that your you are breathing and your heart is pumping and substrates are coursing through your system) is a part of that.  But if the purveyors of the "cardio burns fat" half truth knew how the body worked, they would know that as I sit here at my laptop, I am burning fat...because I am breathing and my heard is pumping....and because I have done a few other simple things to insure that my fat burning machinery is not inturrupted...and that is part of the key.

Can some forms of cario help you lose body fat...under certain conditions yes.

That answer does not sell.  People want a yes or no.  And in that case the answer is generally yes.

But is it a long term solution?  No.  You will likely sacrifice muscle with that fat and in the long run end up with a crippled metabolism and saying you "HAVE TO DO 30 Minutes of cardio a day just to break even.  I know because Every time I stop I gain weight!!!"

Well, the truth is, people in this situaiton are misinformed.  They have been mislead and it is not their fault.  Nobody has told them how to get back to the place they want to be.

Some people know what to do but fear doing something different than what they have done, fear doing something different than what has not worked the whole time...

Your friend for instance...realy needs to sit down and plan a simple change in approach.  Take a week off (people hate to hear that), and come back training smarter and for about 20 minutes a day max (I would start her on a plan with 9 minutes of training a day!!)  With a long term approach...so that the program varies day to day and week to week...and so that the factors that matter most, and the factors that are personal to her, are sorted out.

As I share in the original post in this thread and some of the follow up posts...you have to train the body to spare and build muscle and and train it in how to burn fat all day long.

There are many approaches to this goal, depending on how fast you want to reach your goal and thus how much you will do.  If you want it fast and will do the things you need to do, it can happen fast.  If you won't do certain things...then it takes a little longer.

The general approach works perfectly well...not counting calories, not tracking changes in body composition...and still you can achieve nearly the same result.

But most people want a flat answer, a pill, they want to have the sound bite reply.  The sound bite reply too frequently wins out over the whole truth...and too frequently becomes its own sort of untruth.
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Re:For Losing Fat - Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:16 PM ( #174 )
Thanks again, Dan. You truly are a fitness guru.

So by that 9 minutes a day training, you mean that you would have her do a full body circuit training, probably with minimal to no rest, changing the movements for each muscle every day? And only a quick cardio warm up, i guess?
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Re:For Losing Fat - Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:20 PM ( #175 )
Sort of.  I would probably start her with a warm up and a "functional" circuit training to train the body in a new way for her...and to insure she has good balance, posture, and good whole body neuromuscular integration.

At the same time I would be teaching her how to eat so she has more energy and generally feels better.
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Re:For Losing Fat - Friday, April 17, 2009 2:19 PM ( #176 )
When doing a pre and a post protien drink during a cut, should creatine be mixed with it? If so, should the creatine be mixed with dextrose or not? I ask because I have a creatine that is premixed with dextrose.  
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Re:For Losing Fat - Friday, April 17, 2009 3:39 PM ( #177 )
It does not really matter.
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Re:For Losing Fat - Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:54 PM ( #178 )
A few of questions if I may so that I will better understand what you have said:

1: To lose fat and min. the muscle loss that I have worked hard to get,  I should take protein pre and post workout.  Should I also take the creatine with it ?

2: Would dextrose contained in my creatine powder mix cause any loss of the fat burning cycle after working out?

3: If I do any cardio, it would be at noontime, while weight training will be after 8:00 pm with bedtime being 11:00 pm. Should I Still do protein pre and post workout and with or without creatine/dextrose for best fat burning?

4: How will adding bananna and strawberries to my protein after the workout and before bed affect the fat burning process?

Thanks for your time as I know that you may already have touched on these subjects, but after reading the pages, Im still left with these questions.
 

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Re:For Losing Fat - Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:10 PM ( #179 )
1: To lose fat and min. the muscle loss that I have worked hard to get,  I should take protein pre and post workout.  Should I also take the creatine with it ?
Yes, and some carbs are not bad with that to help retain and even build muscle.

2: Would dextrose contained in my creatine powder mix cause any loss of the fat burning cycle after working out?
If you take it pre and post workout and the rest of your diet is clean..it should not be an issue...it depends on how much..but pre and post workout your body is really just trying to avoid a glycogen/glucose deficit by replacing what you used.

3: If I do any cardio, it would be at noontime, while weight training will be after 8:00 pm with bedtime being 11:00 pm. Should I Still do protein pre and post workout and with or without creatine/dextrose for best fat burning?

Protein pre and post cardio - you should.
Protein/creatine/carbs pre and post workout - you should

4: How will adding bananna and strawberries to my protein after the workout and before bed affect the fat burning process?

Well, assuming you finish at 9 and don't hit the sack until 11...
I would do that or take my post workout protein/creatine w/dextrose at 9:15 and I would eat a small meal at 10:15 (baked sweet potato, chichen breast sauteed with broccoli and vegs.)

The meal carbs will be slow and not have as large an insulin hit as the fruit...but the fruit , being immediatly post workout, are still likely to go mainly to glycogen/glucose replenishment.

I am sensitive to carbs and using fruit post workout causes my insulin to rise quite a bit.  The upside is I get huge from the insulin (a growth horone) the downside is, if I am not careful, it makes fat storing happen and so my net fat loss is slower.

The trick to fat loss is gradual alteration in the key factors: diet modulation, training modulation.

There is an individual component to this.  While you are wise to replenish glycogen...I don't know how your body responds now.  Today, if you are just starting to focus on fat loss, it may be fine and later if you want to keep the rate of fat loss, you may need to consider a shift to meal based carbs that have less effect on the insulin.

Is that understandable?
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Re:For Losing Fat - Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:25 AM ( #180 )
Have you ever thought of writing your own e-book?
''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

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