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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:19 PM ( #31 )
Sounds complicated.
 
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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:24 PM ( #32 )
Simple version:
  1. The right Nutrition
  2. Progressive Resistance Training
  3. Moderate Cardio
  4. Track your progress
  5. Take care of the basic necessities
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RE: For Losing Fat - Monday, September 04, 2006 11:18 AM ( #33 )

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Sounds complicated.


 
nothing that has a great reward is ever easy. thats why its easier to get fat then it is to stay fit.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Monday, September 04, 2006 6:20 PM ( #34 )
A true point.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:47 AM ( #35 )
Dan, I think your article is amazing, and I've been following it for a few weeks now with very positive results.  The question I have is this, and maybe it belongs in the supplement category, how do you feel about Ultimate Orange as a thermogenic?  It was just re-released in the market, and I was wondering if you had any info regarding this product?
 
Thanks
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:59 AM ( #36 )
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:20 AM ( #37 )
Yes, that's the one.  I used to use it back in the 90's before ephedra was taken off of the market.  Once again I apologize for seeming off topic, but I figured it may fit in with my workout program as an energy booster and thermogenic.  Thanks again Dan.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:31 AM ( #38 )
Thats some pricey orange flavored caffeine.
 
If you have trouble with energy in workouts...then you have other problems...however if you are cutting and low energy...I don't think that is all that special, but with 300mg of caffeine your eyeballs will be quivering. ("With more explosive power than 7 shots of espresso...")
 
It is odd that they add these sugars: 
-Quadracarb - 7.86 grams
(maltodextrin, sucrose, dextrose, fructose)
 
And only report 4 grams of sugars on the nutrient label....???
 
This is a stimulant drink not an energy drink.
Anyway over priced, over caffeinated and over hyped.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:05 PM ( #39 )
Thanks a lot Dan, you probably just saved me some cash.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:12 PM ( #40 )
Cheers...
 
Although..that makes it only 35 cents per shot of orange flavored espresso...
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RE: For Losing Fat - Friday, September 08, 2006 9:26 PM ( #41 )
so how many times a week should we do cardio? and weightlifting? (looking for fat loss and muscle gains)
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RE: For Losing Fat - Friday, September 08, 2006 9:58 PM ( #42 )

so how many times a week should we do cardio? and weightlifting? (looking for fat loss and muscle gains)

Let me first say that the answer to that is not a single answer that applies to everyone.
 
I have to do an in depth assessment when I work with a person to determine what will get them the fastest results...and it is different for everyone.
 
So much depends on your history, your ability to recover, your genetics and phenotype...your exact goal, etc.
 
That said..If the goal is fat loss with the possibility of muscle gains...
 
...you would want to resistance train the whole body 2-3 times in a week.
 
You want to do only as much cardio as you need to to keep dropping fat.
 
However, you want to reach your fat goal in a reasonable time frame if it is the primary goal...so you should be progressing toward that goal weekly.
 
You want to use resistance training to create a higher oxidative balance in the muscle if your primary concern is fat loss and not gaining/retaining muscle.  Also, the hormonal release from resistance training supports fat loss.
 
You want to maintain sufficient glycolytic (Type IIb) muscle stimulation so that muscle mass is not lost of the goal is also muscle retention and gain while cutting.
 
I hope that helps you to answer the questions you have for yourself..
 
If you need guidence...direct me (via pm) to a thread where you discuss your training and diet and I can give you more specific cues based on your personal situation.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:41 PM ( #43 )
ooo..well starting from the bottom..C will be most accurate...can you get just the measures of the pinches...you should be able to compare them month to month.
 
Use D to measure changes in circumferencial measures of your body.
A-B-D are all innacurate in different ways.
 

1) I workout (15-20 mins) after waking, in a fasted state (only bcaa's before & after) I weight lift for about 30-45 mins and I do cardio for about 30-45 min thereafter... Should I incorporate a banana pre & post, only post or not at all & why?... If I should, what size (small, medium or big) banana should I incorporate & how ripe (green, yellow or dark yellow etc.)... If I shouldn't, should I incorporate some other fruit or none at all?
  
I would do the cardio in the am then eat....and do the resistance training another time when you have restored glycogen.  If you train muscle in a glycogen depleted state..and since TYpe IIb muscle is glycogen dependant...breaking down muscle would be the source of glycogen...if you break down muscle...you cripple your fat burning machinery.
 

2) Instead of carbing up & upping my calories twice a week as I used to, I'm planning on carbing up & upping my calories once a week... When I used to carb up I used to eat brown rice as my added carb source... Which is better, brown rice or sweet potato (I've checked the GI for both but different sources give different numbers)?

Both good.  GI is only for foods consumed by themselves.


3) I was planning on adding in a protein "snack" before I go to bed to help prevent protein breakdown which naturally occurs during sleep... Do you recommend I do this?... If so, do you think cottage cheese (casein) is a good choice?... If so, how much & how long before I go to bed? If not, what would you recommend, how much & how long before I go to bed?

How long before is a factor of your particualr digestion.  I do recommend a veggie with that and a carb.  A whole meal will last even longer.  The amount of food should fit your meal plan.
 


4) Do you recommend I drink 1 cup of skim milk with my first or second meal or should I avoid this while cutting (and drink it on my carb up day once a week)?

Well, once a week is ok...


5) Should I eat one egg yolk a day or at least one a week? How many egg whites & yolks do you eat daily?

Depends on your meal plan.  But 1 yolk for every 4 whites.


6) I eat green vegetables throughout the day, should I avoid tomatoes (~4g carbs)?... If so, should I also avoid red peppers (~6g carbs) & just stick to green vegetables? If not, when should I eat these red vegetables?

Get a variety of colors and veggies.  Tomatoes are a starchy carb.  So consider them as such.  Rep peppers are fine as a veggie.  You have a problem with red and lycopene?


7) How many teaspoon/s of fish oil/cod liver oil/flaxseed oil should I take daily and when?

Depends on your calories in and tolerence for % fat in the diet.  2, in the first meals is reasonable.


8) Which is better turkey breast or chicken breast? Which is better turkey breast or lean meat?
They are all reasonable variety choices for cutting.


9) How many sticks (or oz.) of celery or broccoli should I eat along with a lean protein per meal?

Depends on the portion of the lean protein and carb and on your tolerence for fiber.  Equal sized portions is middle of the road. 

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RE: For Losing Fat - Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:37 PM ( #44 )

1) How is D inaccurate?... How close is it to being accurate?

If you use it this way "How accurate is the tape measure test (abs, neck, height & weight) with measurements taken with D?" it is not very accurate for us muscle types...its a general guess but not very consistent because you are intentionally messing eith the size of your muscle!!
 

2) How about Type I muscle fibers? At this time, the only way I can do it is together or I would have to take one of them out...

Type one is what you use for cardio type repetitive movements.
Then wake up 45 minutes earlier and get a PWO in!  THen resistance train..then cardio...


3) Should I incorporate a banana pre & post, only post or not at all & why?... If I should, what size (small, medium or big) banana should I incorporate & how ripe (green, yellow or dark yellow etc.)... If I shouldn't, should I incorporate some other fruit or none at all?

Depends on your tolerence for simple carbs.  Everyone is different in the chemistry department.  If you tolerate the carbs then have with the PWO.
 

4) Would a lean protein like chicken breast last longer than cottage cheese (casein)? 

A whole meal might last longer overall.  cottage cheese (casein) is ok as a protein but watch the carbs.
 

5) Should I avoid cottage cheese (casein) while cutting?

I would if you have any sensitivity to milk products.


6) Which would be better once a week, cottage cheese (casein) or skim milk?

Does not matter.  Same same.
 

7) How many egg whites & yolks do you eat daily?

Depends on my diet and such...none right now.  Eggs can develop into an allergy so I am careful with them.
 

Nope... I just didn't want the extra carbs from red peppers... 
 
8) Should I just stick to green vegetables?

Those are vegetable carbs!  You need lots of colors in your diet...red, yellow, green, blue, white, purple...variety variety
 

9) I'm planning on taking 3 teaspoons (~15ml=~1tbspn), one of each=fish oil/cod liver oil/flaxseed oil, do you advise against this?

Cod liver oil would be best if you don't get enough sun...otherwise the other two are fine. 
 

10) Out of the 6 meals I eat daily, in which ones should I incorporate these EFA's? (1, 3, 6?)

The ones that it fits best in..1..yes!  the other two just allocate calories and adjsut for nutrient ratios.
 

6oz of lean protein & no carbs...

Forget the word carb..lets talk starch or fiber...we were discussing How much fiber should be in those meals!
 

11) Around how many do you eat?

How many what?  You can see my diet here:
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_158705/mpage_2/tm.htm
Go to 8/13/06 to see my last diet post.
 
Keep in mind I am bulking!

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RE: For Losing Fat - Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:32 PM ( #45 )

ORIGINAL: TIHulk

Can you rephrase that... "Then wake up 45 minutes earlier and get a PWO in!  THen resistance train..then cardio..." ???



Wake up 45 minutes earlier in the morning... get a PREWORKOUT shake in... then resistance train.. then do cardio... That way you get the optimal results from doing Resistance AND cardio training in one session.

Have fun!
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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:07 AM ( #46 )
Thanks for the translation Lynx!
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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:33 AM ( #47 )
The point is you do NOT want to resistance train without eating (complete meal) first if your goal is to hold on to or even add muscle.
 
You would ALSO want to have the BCAAs.
 
Since you can only do the combo resistance and cardio training in the one block of AM time...I recommend you make sure you EAT and take BCAA/PWO.
 
BCAA pre resistance and post cardio as always...
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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:49 AM ( #48 )

How about training to increase Type I muscle fibers (fat burning) by endurance training, would the same apply?

You would likely either do this training as a part of your workout or as the cardio portion..so it is the same, right?
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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:02 AM ( #49 )

2) I see in your journal that you take Cal/Mag supplements 3 times a day, how many mg's of Cal/Mag do you consume daily?


My target calcium was determined by my particular chemisty.
It is an optimum daily intake and is very high.
I actually only take the cal/mag 1x a day right now. 
My total daily intake of calcium dietary and supplemental is what I look at.
I can not tell you what it is at the moment...
About 850/350 from Multi and Cal/mag...
 

3) What was the cause of you reaching "8/18/05 - 175lbs - 20%BF"? (Injury?)

I had a long period (years) of layoff from intense training and took a very long (90 days or so) Road trip! 
 

I'll still do full body hypertrophy workouts around twice a week to conserve more muscle...

that is an essential if you want to keep your muscle..muscle burns fat..etc..
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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:02 PM ( #50 )

3) Why'd you choose Country Life - Calcium-Magnesium Complex 1000mg/500mg - 90 Tablets:  over all the other cal/mag supplements out there?

 
1- it is a mixed form of cal and mag meaning different "deliveries"
2-because it was a tablet and I prefer them to gelatin caps etc.
3- cost - you might notice it is actually a 2 for 1 that I linked..so if you buy 1 you get 2!
4 - its a vegetarian tab with little extra garbage in it
 

2) Which MultiVitamin do you use?

Didn't I say?  Ficed the thread but its this one...I have also used NOW ADAM but it has Saw Palmetto in it...which is on the "anti-anabolic list"...
Vegan One Multiple Multivitamin
 
As for the oats..one is rolled one is cut...depends which one you like.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:57 PM ( #51 )
Toss up...both have Saw Palmetto...which is anti anabolic.  Lower in Opti.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:54 PM ( #52 )
Depens on what you need really..I crunch the total nutrient content of my food intake and THEN decide what to supplement with to get it to optimal!

Next step is blood work..to fine tune it.
 
The bioactive substances in saw palmetto may actually interfere with the function of testosterone by blocking the androgenic and anabolic receptor sites of cells that testosterone needs to bind with to turn on cellular protein synthesis.
 
Tests using tissue samples revealed that substances in saw palmetto actually reduced the tissue uptake of testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, which means saw palmetto bioactives blocked these anabolic hormones from entering cells, which is very anti-anabolic.
 
So, while saw palmetto is very useful and effective for people who have BPH, it should be avoided when people who are training to be super-anabolic.

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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:58 PM ( #53 )
That is more complex than you know...
 
I would have to put the Opti in my program , run the results...compare...
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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:26 PM ( #54 )
Another Big question...
 
L-Arganine is an antioxidant, NO precursor, antioxidant recycler, vasodilator...
 
Because of the hocus-pocus approach most people here take to using NO precursors, I have to assume that people don't have a clear view of what L-Arganine really does as an antioxidant and NO precursor.

L-Arganine (4-6 grams) works even more powerfully when L-Citrulline (200-1000g), Vit C (500mg), Vit E (200iu), Folic Acid (400 - 800 mcg) and Alpha Lipoic Acid (10mg) per day are taken as well.  Most of this is covered in your multivitamin or antioxidant.

Your diet can positively or adversley effect NO production.

Best times to take L-Arganine are pre bed or pre workout.

For a deeper understanding of its use and history you can read a very simple book by the doctor who won the Nobel Prize in Medicine for discovering the importance of Nitric Oxide to the cardiovascular system, Dr Ignarro:
No More Heart Disease
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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:50 PM ( #55 )

HGH increaser

That is not a supported statement.
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:33 PM ( #56 )

1) Why’d you choose Creatine Mono instead of CEE? Did you see results while using Creatine Mono? Any health problems since starting?

Simple...CEE is made up science.  There is NO science behind it and all the claims have no basis.
Mono has over 300 published studies, it works, there are no problems with absorbtion as claimed...mono is lower priced...the others are "Designer" and so higher priced for less product.
 

2) If I take one (2 a day) MultiVitamins for breakfast, when would you recommend I take the second? (How many hours apart?)

You noted Adam is a 3-a-day...so for a 3, you can take em with meal 1-3-5..but not within 3 hours of bed.
 
With a 2-a-day...some specify how far apart.  Otherwise meal 1 and 3 is fine...if you are bombed all day..then both a meal 1 is also fine unless it says otherwise.
 
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RE: For Losing Fat - Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:54 PM ( #57 )
You bet!
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RE: For Losing Fat - Monday, October 02, 2006 5:37 PM ( #58 )
How bad is nonfat milk, because of the sugars?
 
cause i usually drink a lot of milk, and also its an old school belief that milk is king (or queen i guess, im not feminist)
i am constantly learning
i will enter a natural bb comp
i will come in a close to 200 lbs as possible
i am current around 210
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RE: For Losing Fat - Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:09 AM ( #59 )

How bad is nonfat milk, because of the sugars?

If you are trying to lose fat and it is only for personal reasons, then see how it goes.  If it is for a contest..then you are going to have a challenge...
 
It is a very reactive food and can make you puffy, in addition to the high sugar carb sourse that it represents.

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RE: For Losing Fat - Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:11 AM ( #60 )
great advice thx
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