Fat Burn + Muscle Growth

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

ignorance isnt an insult unless you refuse to change, which obviously you wont, so yea i guess i did insult you.

I just can't fathom how you don't see your comments as rude or insulting, i still think you believe you have something to prove, maybe thats why you lift, to prove to something to someone, somewhere.  Like i said you dont realize it so i'll go with the ignorant comment again, ignorance is bliss

 
to be honest with you, i truly don't feel like i need to prove anything to anyone.  i'm completely happy right now.
 
i used to be the fat kid in middle school.  i've completely changed, done a complete 180.  i've done what i've wanted to do, now i'm trying to take it to the next level. i'll be competing in my first comp this summer, and thatts what i want to do.  i have no want or need to prove anything to anyone. i do this for myself, just as you do

ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox

rofl.. now you're going to act like you're 8 years old?   haha. 

let it go soccerking. let him have the last word.   let's all just go squat and call it a day.  i know i'm gonna go lift here soon.    very excited

haha already squated today and did my 1 bench press of 250 and gave everyone around me a high-five.. ::shakes head::

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

ORIGINAL: David1991

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

first off i'm not your "bro" second of all by your demeanor and lack of appreciation for the collective knowledge being presented and your opinionated nature i can deduct you are trying to be a hardass with a chip on your shoulder.

its very unbecoming

i love when people assume things.  it's the greatest, especially when they have it all wrong.  WAYYYY wrong.

i don't think i'm a "hardass".

i see it this way. i have my opinion, you have yours. we don't agree with eachother, then cool. if we agree with eachother, then cool.  if you want to make assumptions about people, then you should be aware that THAT is very unbecoming

ur the one going around saying he's not serious and anyone who doesnt do cardio isnt serious about lifting

you guys should get together. you even do the same poses!!! awww so cute!!!

bodybuilding.  99 % of bodybuilders incorporate cardio into their workout.  especially while cutting. 

here once again being rude and insulting multiple members now, seriously take the chip off, im sure you would be quite the pleasant person otherwise, but i would suggest you just drop this as you are just digging yourself a hole

 
haha i guess people on this board don't take sarcasm that well? maybe it's becuase i'm new and you don't know me yet. idk.
 
but i'm out. i have to hit the gym and work on shoulders and back and my poses for my comp.  look forward to talking to you in the future.
 
peace

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox

rofl.. now you're going to act like you're 8 years old?   haha. 

let it go soccerking. let him have the last word.   let's all just go squat and call it a day.  i know i'm gonna go lift here soon.    very excited

haha already squated today and did my 1 bench press of 250 and gave everyone around me a high-five.. ::shakes head::

 
i love those guys

well i dont like you nor your attitude good day

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

well i dont like you nor your attitude good day

 
haha.
 
you are entitled to your opinion, and may do with it whatever you would live.
 
see ya bro

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

ignorance isnt an insult unless you refuse to change, which obviously you wont, so yea i guess i did insult you.

I just can't fathom how you don't see your comments as rude or insulting, i still think you believe you have something to prove, maybe thats why you lift, to prove to something to someone, somewhere.  Like i said you dont realize it so i'll go with the ignorant comment again, ignorance is bliss

to be honest with you, i truly don't feel like i need to prove anything to anyone.  i'm completely happy right now.

i used to be the fat kid in middle school.  i've completely changed, done a complete 180.  i've done what i've wanted to do, now i'm trying to take it to the next level. i'll be competing in my first comp this summer, and thatts what i want to do.  i have no want or need to prove anything to anyone. i do this for myself, just as you do

You need to calm down. I just want to know why you think cardio is essential to bodybuilding. The only reason that cardio would be completely neccessary is if your trying to cut fat. Doing cardio does not build you more muscle, I dont understand why you are arguing that you have to do cardio. Maybe when you were "the fat kid in middle school" the only way you could slim down and get to where you are now was to do cardio but I dont need to do cardio to stay lean. You shouldnt generalize or make false statements. I am in no way saying cardio isnt benificial because it is, but it is not essential to bodybulding.

boomersooner is a typical, hardheaded young person.  He thinks there is one way and that is the ONLY way.

I pray you change your ways because you can't go through life like that.  And if you do, you're f'd.  Being hardheaded and close-minded will get you nowhere in life.

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

bodybuilding.  99 % of bodybuilders incorporate cardio into their workout.  especially while cutting. 

oh really, 99%? i guess i missed that survey

thats not true at all. there are some bodybuilders who dont do any cardio even when cutting, until the very last stages of the cut.
many do none at all when bulking. i've read logs of bodybuilders and i've talked with and heard interviews with bodybuilders.
many have cardio all year long, some dont.

and ur avoiding my question: why do u think cardio is so great that anyone who's serious needs to do it??

Duke of the Emancipation Detoxification

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000
Why should i have to do cardio, intense lifting will sufficiently raise your heart rate to the point where it is beneifical and maintain cardiovascular health.  The only reason i see to do cardio is as an aerobic exercise in an attempt to decrease bodyfat, if you lift with intensity...

Intensive lifting will exercise your cardiovascular system to handle work capacity but not beyond that of the actual demands of the method.  Training with intensity conditions your heart to work efficiently at trainng with intensity - nothing more. It does not to train your heart to work with a greater distributed workload.  Intensive weight training for 10 years won't allow you to run a marathon.

On a more relative note; ask a person who doesn't perform cardio how he copes with high rep work in comparison the person who accessorises with cardio.  When you begin to explore more advanced methods of training - namely conjuagate training you'll discover what you assumed to be an efficient weightlifting body actually isn't so efficient afterall.

Why should you have to do cardio?

You don't.  But performing cardio in accessory to weight training allows for more efficient circulation which in turn allows for more effective shuttling of nutrients which contributes towards hypertrophy. If you are concerned of losing energy, replace it - eat more.  It's amazing to see how many people reach for vasodilation supplements before bearing this factor in mind.

"Cardio" isn't just a fat burning method. Your body doesn't begin to break down tissue for energy until the consumption of energy falls below requirements.  Cardio is exercise of heart and lungs.  Practice of cardio gives much needed attention to the internal organs which utlimately determine the aesthetics of the surface.

A complete training routine includes cardio regardless of goal.

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000 i dont do any cardio either... and last time i checked I'm pretty ripped

Needless to say, this comment doesn't hold any weight (no pun intended) since it's based upon your assumption that cardio is for the purpose of losing bodyfat only.  The picture does not show your cardiovascular capacity. 

what about if you do high rep weight training, is it not very similar to cardio at that point?  And what constitutes a greater distributed load?  For example like i said i do not do any cardio, for leg days i alternate between heavy and light days.  Light days i will do 1/4 my squat max and rep it for a certain time, at this point it is at 4 minutes.  Now if thats not a greatly distributed load i dont know what is, along with being intense.

Also do you have anythign backing up saying cardio increases the efficiency of shuttling of nutrients to your body MORE so than just intense weight training where you will exercise your organs as well?  Like i said before high intensity weight training gives more than enough cardiovascular and lung stimulation to keep them healthy, although i do not understand your comment about them determining how you end up looking, as that would be completely false.  Unless you are talking about fat loss, which just brings us back to my original statement.

ohh and my comment about my avatar was a joke, don't take things literally with a .

ORIGINAL: kingkebabs

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000
Why should i have to do cardio, intense lifting will sufficiently raise your heart rate to the point where it is beneifical and maintain cardiovascular health.  The only reason i see to do cardio is as an aerobic exercise in an attempt to decrease bodyfat, if you lift with intensity...

Intensive lifting will exercise your cardiovascular system to handle work capacity but not beyond that of the actual demands of the method.  Training with intensity conditions your heart to work efficiently at trainng with intensity - nothing more. It does not to train your heart to work with a greater distributed workload.  Intensive weight training for 10 years won't allow you to run a marathon.

On a more relative note; ask a person who doesn't perform cardio how he copes with high rep work in comparison the person who accessorises with cardio.  When you begin to explore more advanced methods of training - namely conjuagate training you'll discover what you assumed to be an efficient weightlifting body actually isn't so efficient afterall.

Why should you have to do cardio?

You don't.  But performing cardio in accessory to weight training allows for more efficient circulation which in turn allows for more effective shuttling of nutrients which contributes towards hypertrophy. If you are concerned of losing energy, replace it - eat more.  It's amazing to see how many people reach for vasodilation supplements before bearing this factor in mind.

"Cardio" isn't just a fat burning method. Your body doesn't begin to break down tissue for energy until the consumption of energy falls below requirements.  Cardio is exercise of heart and lungs.  Practice of cardio gives much needed attention to the internal organs which utlimately determine the aesthetics of the surface.

A complete training routine includes cardio regardless of goal.

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000 i dont do any cardio either... and last time i checked I'm pretty ripped

Needless to say, this comment doesn't hold any weight (no pun intended) since it's based upon your assumption that cardio is for the purpose of losing bodyfat only.  The picture does not show your cardiovascular capacity. 

 
This is not a running forum, this is a get huge muscles forum lol. You don't have to do cardio to get huge muscles. That is the point we are trying to make. This does not mean that cardio wouldn't be benificial for overall health and wellness.
 

also i would like to say that if you consider being able to run long distances as a measure of cardiovascular health, i can run a 10k in under 40 minutes as i stand now and i havent done any cardio in a long time, i wanna see people who do cardio every day do that

ORIGINAL: RedJeep

ORIGINAL: kingkebabs

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000
Why should i have to do cardio, intense lifting will sufficiently raise your heart rate to the point where it is beneifical and maintain cardiovascular health.  The only reason i see to do cardio is as an aerobic exercise in an attempt to decrease bodyfat, if you lift with intensity...

Intensive lifting will exercise your cardiovascular system to handle work capacity but not beyond that of the actual demands of the method.  Training with intensity conditions your heart to work efficiently at trainng with intensity - nothing more. It does not to train your heart to work with a greater distributed workload.  Intensive weight training for 10 years won't allow you to run a marathon.

On a more relative note; ask a person who doesn't perform cardio how he copes with high rep work in comparison the person who accessorises with cardio.  When you begin to explore more advanced methods of training - namely conjuagate training you'll discover what you assumed to be an efficient weightlifting body actually isn't so efficient afterall.

Why should you have to do cardio?

You don't.  But performing cardio in accessory to weight training allows for more efficient circulation which in turn allows for more effective shuttling of nutrients which contributes towards hypertrophy. If you are concerned of losing energy, replace it - eat more.  It's amazing to see how many people reach for vasodilation supplements before bearing this factor in mind.

"Cardio" isn't just a fat burning method. Your body doesn't begin to break down tissue for energy until the consumption of energy falls below requirements.  Cardio is exercise of heart and lungs.  Practice of cardio gives much needed attention to the internal organs which utlimately determine the aesthetics of the surface.

A complete training routine includes cardio regardless of goal.

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000 i dont do any cardio either... and last time i checked I'm pretty ripped

Needless to say, this comment doesn't hold any weight (no pun intended) since it's based upon your assumption that cardio is for the purpose of losing bodyfat only.  The picture does not show your cardiovascular capacity. 

This is not a running forum, this is a get huge muscles forum lol. You don't have to do cardio to get huge muscles. That is the point we are trying to make. This does not mean that cardio wouldn't be benificial for overall health and wellness.

also along what you said about cardio being beneficial for overall wellness, of course it is, but there are substitutes obviously and i would put money on that a person who weight trains can/will be in equal cardiovascular health as a person who does cardio.  Your analogy that you want to see a bodybuilder run a marathon is moot, well i want to see a marathon runner bench 300... get my point?

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

what about if you do high rep weight training, is it not very similar to cardio at that point?  And what constitutes a greater distributed load?  For example like i said i do not do any cardio, for leg days i alternate between heavy and light days.  Light days i will do 1/4 my squat max and rep it for a certain time, at this point it is at 4 minutes.

The term "Cardio" is used to describe an activity which is carried out exclusively for the purpose of raising the heartrate. Weight training is not an activity which is exclusive to raising the heartrate.

Now if thats not a greatly distributed load i dont know what is, along with being intense.

Distribution (volume) and intensity don't ever belong in the same sentence.  You cannot perform volume with intensity in weight training.

The distribution I refer to is exclusive, deliberate training of the cardiovascular system (without the bar in the back which in turn soaks up resources from the central nervous system) over a steady, considerable period of time. 

Also do you have anythign backing up saying cardio increases the efficiency of shuttling of nutrients to your body MORE so than just intense weight training where you will exercise your organs as well? 

An activity which requires greater cardiovascular capacity improves the capacity and associated benefits through practice.  It's why soccer players run around a pitch as opposed to "just playing football". Common sense is all that's required here.

Like i said before high intensity weight training gives more than enough cardiovascular and lung stimulation to keep them healthy, although i do not understand your comment about them determining how you end up looking, as that would be completely false. 

I'm not sure how you misunderstand how more efficient circulation which in turn provides greater possible nutrition can't dictate how a person looks on a muscular level and so much more.

I didn't suggest that weight training alone wouldn't allow someone to develop a healthy cardiovascular system.  What I suggested what the practice of an activity beyond that of what is required has great benefit in many applications.

Running for 30 mins on a treadmill will allow you to perform better at high reps squats, which as you righly pointed out yourself does work the heart to a reasonable degree. 

Do you note the chain of benefit with each element of training complimenting the next?