Fat Burn + Muscle Growth

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

pre workout meal
Lift weights
burns off all and more of the pre workout meal
depending on mood 1-5 miles of cardio-the body is going to burn fat off like mad.

do u do cardio right after working out without eating anything?
how many times a week do u do cardio? (i didnt know u actually did any)

Duke of the Emancipation Detoxification

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

ORIGINAL: RedJeep

You people and your muscle catabolism. Your body does not burn muscle unless it is entirely neccessary, that is the last thing it wants to use as fuel. If you eat every 3-4 hours your are more then fine. I finally learned how stupid it was to be paranoid about this when I got sick. I ate about 2 cans of soup in 3 days. I lost 7 pounds of water weight and lost no muscle. My lifts were nearly the same the next time I lifted and back to normal after a cycle of each body part. Your not going to shrink by doing cardio, your not fu*king Jay Cutler. When your that huge then worry about that, for now just eat a lot and clean, lift heavy and do cardio to stay lean.

Lost count how many times ive tried to tell people this lol, but yes, youre 100% correct, the body doesnt burn off muscle for a long time, and loss of size in not working out or becoming ill is pretty much water, its amazing the fact that loss of water can make your arms shrink 1", done that to me before, couple days after being ill, arms back to usual size from rehydration (cold, not pumped).

Also, i might as well mention again, i know im an ectomorph, but my last 16-18lbs of muscle gain has also been in the same time frame that ive lost 4-5lbs of fat.

pre workout meal
Lift weights
burns off all and more of the pre workout meal
depending on mood 1-5 miles of cardio-the body is going to burn fat off like mad.


I have noticed in the past year (mainly 2007+) that this forum among others have just made too many over observations of bulking and cutting, you wanna gain, eat enough to grow the muscle, you wanna lose, eat enough to burn fat.

Wanna do both, then purposefully cardio on energy from fat storage and not dietary calories.

Its not some secret, if you run for ages with fat reserves the fat will lessen, energy doesnt come from nowhere, and nobody say "yes but starvation mode"

Again, for some strange reason anything negative can activate from just one workout as if starvation mode will be in full effect from running on an empty tank after workout, yet building muscle takes years.

Why are the negative points always occuring thousand times faster and worse than the positive points?

If your body reacts that violently to its calories vs exercise then why does it react least violently in the building part?

Sorry but its just extreme over exxageration of moot points.

Thats one reason why i love marc david and his general view of things, he keeps it simple and doesnt bother with moot points, and look at the size of him, and hes natural.

I notice the ones who have the most successful C my P pictures are the ones who ARENT anally retentive, the most successful people do put in hard work but they keep things SIMPLE.

Seriously no ones body is against them so much they need to corner the body with loads of tiny technical points.

you wanna gain muscle and lose weight at the same time original poster? Go for it, PM me and il give you a training regime, i would do it publically, but no matter what anyone posts publically here it gets shredded to death with moot points, as this thread has done, like all others.

everyone needs to stop being too over analytical, its just not healthy.

I had severe trouble breaking the 150lbs marker in weight, and its because i kept reading things up and getting all moot points fixed, without fixing all the basic principles.

In the end i just ****ing ate a ton of food and lifted like crazy and i still work by that method and i managed 45+lbs of muscle in the past 1 1/2 years, overall ending up at the same bodyfat i started that methodology on (9% region)

 
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theres a misconception that minute details that apply to pro bbs apply to everyday people that are training, while they can its irrelevant and theoretically based and isnt necesarry. i ditched the minute details and have seen better progress listening to my body than listening to studies of ratios and this and that.
 
im not saying disregard everything but get a sense of what you need, heathy diet wise and training wise, and get to it rather than overanalyzing the macro breakdown of everything

bulking/strength training

soon to begin bill starr's 5X5

current maxes: 
squats: 255
deadlifts: 300
bench: 185
oh press: 125
goals for jan 1:
squats: 300
deadlifts: 350
bench: 210
oh pressL 145 

ORIGINAL: edrice2

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

ORIGINAL: RedJeep

You people and your muscle catabolism. Your body does not burn muscle unless it is entirely neccessary, that is the last thing it wants to use as fuel. If you eat every 3-4 hours your are more then fine. I finally learned how stupid it was to be paranoid about this when I got sick. I ate about 2 cans of soup in 3 days. I lost 7 pounds of water weight and lost no muscle. My lifts were nearly the same the next time I lifted and back to normal after a cycle of each body part. Your not going to shrink by doing cardio, your not fu*king Jay Cutler. When your that huge then worry about that, for now just eat a lot and clean, lift heavy and do cardio to stay lean.

Lost count how many times ive tried to tell people this lol, but yes, youre 100% correct, the body doesnt burn off muscle for a long time, and loss of size in not working out or becoming ill is pretty much water, its amazing the fact that loss of water can make your arms shrink 1", done that to me before, couple days after being ill, arms back to usual size from rehydration (cold, not pumped).

Also, i might as well mention again, i know im an ectomorph, but my last 16-18lbs of muscle gain has also been in the same time frame that ive lost 4-5lbs of fat.

pre workout meal
Lift weights
burns off all and more of the pre workout meal
depending on mood 1-5 miles of cardio-the body is going to burn fat off like mad.


I have noticed in the past year (mainly 2007+) that this forum among others have just made too many over observations of bulking and cutting, you wanna gain, eat enough to grow the muscle, you wanna lose, eat enough to burn fat.

Wanna do both, then purposefully cardio on energy from fat storage and not dietary calories.

Its not some secret, if you run for ages with fat reserves the fat will lessen, energy doesnt come from nowhere, and nobody say "yes but starvation mode"

Again, for some strange reason anything negative can activate from just one workout as if starvation mode will be in full effect from running on an empty tank after workout, yet building muscle takes years.

Why are the negative points always occuring thousand times faster and worse than the positive points?

If your body reacts that violently to its calories vs exercise then why does it react least violently in the building part?

Sorry but its just extreme over exxageration of moot points.

Thats one reason why i love marc david and his general view of things, he keeps it simple and doesnt bother with moot points, and look at the size of him, and hes natural.

I notice the ones who have the most successful C my P pictures are the ones who ARENT anally retentive, the most successful people do put in hard work but they keep things SIMPLE.

Seriously no ones body is against them so much they need to corner the body with loads of tiny technical points.

you wanna gain muscle and lose weight at the same time original poster? Go for it, PM me and il give you a training regime, i would do it publically, but no matter what anyone posts publically here it gets shredded to death with moot points, as this thread has done, like all others.

everyone needs to stop being too over analytical, its just not healthy.

I had severe trouble breaking the 150lbs marker in weight, and its because i kept reading things up and getting all moot points fixed, without fixing all the basic principles.

In the end i just ****ing ate a ton of food and lifted like crazy and i still work by that method and i managed 45+lbs of muscle in the past 1 1/2 years, overall ending up at the same bodyfat i started that methodology on (9% region)

X 2

theres a misconception that minute details that apply to pro bbs apply to everyday people that are training, while they can its irrelevant and theoretically based and isnt necesarry. i ditched the minute details and have seen better progress listening to my body than listening to studies of ratios and this and that.

im not saying disregard everything but get a sense of what you need, heathy diet wise and training wise, and get to it rather than overanalyzing the macro breakdown of everything

X3!!!!!!

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

ORIGINAL: RedJeep

You people and your muscle catabolism. Your body does not burn muscle unless it is entirely neccessary, that is the last thing it wants to use as fuel. If you eat every 3-4 hours your are more then fine. I finally learned how stupid it was to be paranoid about this when I got sick. I ate about 2 cans of soup in 3 days. I lost 7 pounds of water weight and lost no muscle. My lifts were nearly the same the next time I lifted and back to normal after a cycle of each body part. Your not going to shrink by doing cardio, your not fu*king Jay Cutler. When your that huge then worry about that, for now just eat a lot and clean, lift heavy and do cardio to stay lean.

Lost count how many times ive tried to tell people this lol, but yes, youre 100% correct, the body doesnt burn off muscle for a long time, and loss of size in not working out or becoming ill is pretty much water, its amazing the fact that loss of water can make your arms shrink 1", done that to me before, couple days after being ill, arms back to usual size from rehydration (cold, not pumped).

Also, i might as well mention again, i know im an ectomorph, but my last 16-18lbs of muscle gain has also been in the same time frame that ive lost 4-5lbs of fat.

pre workout meal
Lift weights
burns off all and more of the pre workout meal
depending on mood 1-5 miles of cardio-the body is going to burn fat off like mad.


I have noticed in the past year (mainly 2007+) that this forum among others have just made too many over observations of bulking and cutting, you wanna gain, eat enough to grow the muscle, you wanna lose, eat enough to burn fat.

Wanna do both, then purposefully cardio on energy from fat storage and not dietary calories.

Its not some secret, if you run for ages with fat reserves the fat will lessen, energy doesnt come from nowhere, and nobody say "yes but starvation mode"

Again, for some strange reason anything negative can activate from just one workout as if starvation mode will be in full effect from running on an empty tank after workout, yet building muscle takes years.

Why are the negative points always occuring thousand times faster and worse than the positive points?

If your body reacts that violently to its calories vs exercise then why does it react least violently in the building part?

Sorry but its just extreme over exxageration of moot points.

Thats one reason why i love marc david and his general view of things, he keeps it simple and doesnt bother with moot points, and look at the size of him, and hes natural.

I notice the ones who have the most successful C my P pictures are the ones who ARENT anally retentive, the most successful people do put in hard work but they keep things SIMPLE.

Seriously no ones body is against them so much they need to corner the body with loads of tiny technical points.

you wanna gain muscle and lose weight at the same time original poster? Go for it, PM me and il give you a training regime, i would do it publically, but no matter what anyone posts publically here it gets shredded to death with moot points, as this thread has done, like all others.

everyone needs to stop being too over analytical, its just not healthy.

I had severe trouble breaking the 150lbs marker in weight, and its because i kept reading things up and getting all moot points fixed, without fixing all the basic principles.

In the end i just ****ing ate a ton of food and lifted like crazy and i still work by that method and i managed 45+lbs of muscle in the past 1 1/2 years, overall ending up at the same bodyfat i started that methodology on (9% region)

can you pm me this thing?

haha, ive been really interested in burning fat and gaining muscle for about a month now.  My idea was eating really clean slightly over maintenance and doing morning cardio w/ alot of bcaa.

18 yo
6'0" 208 lbs.
bulking

Twisted u should just post it here for everyone

i'll promise not to argue with any of it lol

Thanks guys for all the advice.
One more thing though.

I read somewhere that it is good to do HIIT separately on non lifting days, but to do it VERY HARD that I don't have ANY energy left to do anything but to walk back to home and rest. Also I also read that it is good to do HIIT after working out because my metabolism will be at its boost stage that it'll burn fat extra fast.

Which advice should I follow?
I just plan to jog lightly for 15-20 minutes after lifting weights instead of HIIT so I don't overdo my body. Is this a good idea or should I try to incorporate HIIT after the lifting?

ORIGINAL: dhl3

Thanks guys for all the advice.
One more thing though.

I read somewhere that it is good to do HIIT separately on non lifting days, but to do it VERY HARD that I don't have ANY energy left to do anything but to walk back to home and rest. Also I also read that it is good to do HIIT after working out because my metabolism will be at its boost stage that it'll burn fat extra fast.

Which advice should I follow?
I just plan to jog lightly for 15-20 minutes after lifting weights instead of HIIT so I don't overdo my body. Is this a good idea or should I try to incorporate HIIT after the lifting?

i would go with ur plan of HIIT on off days with about 20min. of jogging PWO.

Duke of the Emancipation Detoxification

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

giving cardio the big "F U" is stupid.

you must be one of those guys that goes to the gym that isn't serious about muscle gains, a "casual workout" person.

ask any bodybuilder how important cardio is, and they'll tell you it's as important as weight lifting and eating

 
Actually I am usually so tired from lifting that I dont want to do cardio, but I guess I will never gain muscle if I dont do cardio and if I dont do cardio then I am just a "casual workout" person that isn't serious about muscle gains.

i dont do any cardio either... and last time i checked I'm pretty ripped

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ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

i dont do any cardio either... and last time i checked I'm pretty ripped

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Then you must be a "casual workout" person.

yea i go for the social atmosphere and try to pick up ladies

ORIGINAL: Soccerking3000

i dont do any cardio either... and last time i checked I'm pretty ripped

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hahaha, BURN!

No the leg press is not the same as doing squats.

sure, you have alittle bit of muscle, nothing special.
 
but bodybuilders include normal cardio into their routine. 
 
you're just one of the guys that thinks he's so tough and goes to the gym and thinks he a badass.  one of those guys that does 1 rep of like 250 bench and stands up and high fives the person closest to you.  sweet

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

sure, you have alittle bit of muscle, nothing special.

but bodybuilders include normal cardio into their routine. 

you're just one of the guys that thinks he's so tough and goes to the gym and thinks he a badass.  one of those guys that does 1 rep of like 250 bench and stands up and high fives the person closest to you.  sweet

how are u gonna say that when u dont know anything about how he trains.....

why do u think cardio is so amazing?
i always incorporate cardio and i know of its benefits but im interested in knowing why u think its something all bodybuilders incorporate into their routines and that anyone who doesnt do cardio isnt serious

Duke of the Emancipation Detoxification

ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331

sure, you have alittle bit of muscle, nothing special.

but bodybuilders include normal cardio into their routine. 

you're just one of the guys that thinks he's so tough and goes to the gym and thinks he a badass.  one of those guys that does 1 rep of like 250 bench and stands up and high fives the person closest to you.  sweet

lol what? that statement is just ignorant but i guess its only as ignorant as its poster...

Why should i have to do cardio, intense lifting will sufficiently raise your heart rate to the point where it is beneifical and maintain cardiovascular health.  The only reason i see to do cardio is as an aerobic exercise in an attempt to decrease bodyfat, if you lift with intensity...