Epistane

No, I'm not considering it. But I've been training (for free) a friend of mine... I gave him his routine and helped him make a diet and he's progressed pretty good... I'm not his contracted PT or anything, I've been training with him occasionally since before I even took the ACE program... but he's going to be using Epistane so I've been helping him with his cycle... some stats are he's 24, 6'0" 240lbs his body-fat is 14%. He's using Epistane as a cutting compound.

Well I told him to start (since it's his first cycle) 10/20/20/30 OR 10/20/30/30 depended upon his side effects. Then he's taking this: http://www.inhousepharm...omens-hrt/tamoxifen.html as a PCT with 40/30/20/10. This: http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/CEL006 for a cycle assist. Here is the source of Epistane: http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/IBE001

Now I've done my homework with anabolics but I'm just wanting you guys (if you will) that is experienced with their usage look over that and tell me if I did a good job with recommendations and the sources of those are legit. The thing that makes me wonder is that Epistane on their website is $60 and Epistane on the site I listed is only $30. Another thing is, I told him I would give him my formex as a test booster. I bought it  a while back and just never used it and told him he could have it.

So did I hook him up with some sound advice or are some of those bad sources or bad recommendations as of dosages?

Thanks.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

To be honest if he's 240 lbs I would run a higher dose, something like 30/40/40/40 if he wants to play it safe. Nolvadex dosage he would be fine at 20/20/10/10.

''If one is after quick results one never learns an art.''

Erich Fromm

Thanks Adam. I'm glad hearing from you on this because I know you know your stuff.

So day 1 would be 10mg, day 2 would be 20mg, day 3 would be 30mg and continue that until week 2?

Also, was those good sources of things? The Epistane from that site and the cycle assist and PCT looked OK?

Thanks again.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

does the 40/30/20/10 refer to the nolvadex dosage?  That is an extraordinary dose of that compound, especially taking into consideration that it is being used as pct in response to antineoplastic  therapy which in and of itself is in a sense an anti estrogen.  Perhaps I am mistaken with respect to the name of the material contained in ""epistane", I'm not that informed on the trade names but is this not methyl-epithiostanol?  I'm just curious why one would feel that they needed pct at the conclusion of methyl epithiostanol therapy, to the tune of forty mg of tamoxifen no less.
the human body is able to make use of about 5mg of tamoxifen citrate per 24 hour period regardless of the quantity of estrogens in your blood so in essence it is independant of the amount of steroid material you have consumed, any amount in excess of 5mg is essentially excreted as waste.  there are plenty of references in the medical literature on the use of tamoxifen as both a "pct" and in the treatment of breast cancer, by looking into articles written to inform you, not to say you have not already, rather than to sell to you you may find you make your tamoxifen last many times longer with identicle effective results.
you should also keep in mind the implications of the use of epistane and other cytotoxic antineoplastics, they are designed to kill fast growing cells and have a tendancy to take surrounding cells down with them.  this is why medical professionals are schooled to use  very carefull techinique when administering these drugs to avoid self contamination.  Look up wikipeodia antineoplastic and you will see the warning I am referring to.  when i leared about epithiostanol in medical school in 1997 i sure didn't ever think i would see it on the shelves of supps stores as an anabolic but hey, you learn something new everyday, maybe it exists in a perfect dichotamy of antineoplastic and anabolic.
good luck to you and your trainee/friend I hope you find success with this course of treatment.

THREAD RESSURECTION!HUzzah.

I know there are a few threads on epistane so i didnt want to make another new one. I plan on taking epistane soon as i plan to ordered a bottle, i havnt gotten anything else yet though. I am considering taking that cycle assist as it seems very usefull and handy.

Now im getting mixed thoughts as to pct, it would probably be smart to take one after it, but i keep seeing posts and reviews of people saying they used it as a pct after a dose of some other prohormone. I know creation and a few others have thought about running it or already have ran it. Any thoughts and suggestions would be great.

I have also ran across a new product of theirs, don't know how new, but its called formex, any one heard or tried it yet? I have no plans or intention of trying it any time soon, just curious as how their other products are panning out and scoping out other possible supps to try out at a later time possibly after the epi cycle.

Uhm, you're definitely going to need to run a PCT. Epistane is a steroid.

I suggest tamoxifen citrate and an OTC anti aromatase.

ectomorph, could you tell us about yourself?  age, height, weight, heavy lift maxes??  Are you sure you should be taking this compound right now?

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

I'm 23, around 152, 5'11, i know im still small, but i got a small frame in general. most i have benched was around 225lbs. I have already taken 2 bottles of tren at 2 different times, both just 4 weeks each and then i was off for about 5-6 weeks before i started the second bottle.

I personally liked tren, though they stopped selling it here at the store i got it from as it was banned. Some one said in another thread epistane is not as harsh as tren, so thought i might try it. I saw another product called havoc, some one said its the same thing, not sure thought. I also saw a product called Spawn, its supposed to be epistane and tren combination, sounds interesting but i dont think i want to pay 127 bucks for one 90 cap bottle when i been seeing epi bottles for about 30 bucks, and when i bought tren it was about 54.

RPN Havoc is the same ingredient, different brand. At 5'11" and 152lb, I think you should worry more about eating and less about steroids.

stupid.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

You need to avoid steroids, they're unnecessary for you right now. You'll get the exact same gains with diet and supplements alone, then better gains in the future because your androgens won't be clogged. Listen to above.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

its the typical post from people in this forum.

ecto

simply put, dont be stupid.

Don't take steriods.

eat food, its not hat hard.

DBB's Thread Jack Police

Steriods = stereo on steroids... :)

anyway to the guy asking, I know everyone always wants results fast and no one wants to hear that it takes years to build up a good base and get a good physique. YEARS, seriously spend one year eating over maintenance, focusing on Big compound lifts like Squat, deadlifts, cleans, Press, bench and rows, and you will build muscle I promise you. 

Im not anti-steroids, I have my views and reasons. But I fully believe people should spend awhile building themselves up naturally before even thinking about steroids.

If you have a hard time gaining weight, add a ton of Milk to your diet, its an amazing tool for putting on muscle. GOMAD (Gallon of Milk a Day)

especially an ecto...just shovel food down your throat and lift heavy, you WILL see results, just give it time.

Neutralyze


its the typical post from people in this forum.

ecto

simply put, dont be stupid.

Don't take steriods.

eat food, its not hat hard.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

darn it, you caught my spelling error :(

i want steriods!  they sound great!

DBB's Thread Jack Police

NMONEY34........great words to live by.....

DONT BLAME THE PITBULL TRAIN THE PITBULL .BAN THE DEED NOT THE BREED.... OH YES MY GRAMR AND SPELNG SUCK AZZ...I KNOW.. THERE ARE NO BAD DOGS.JUST BAD OWNERS...

Just thought i'd let ya'll know im not taking it at the moment. Honestly its mainly becuase it was sold out at the site i was going to order from, ill be honest there. But i see yalls point and everything and decided to hold off for a bit. I bought some jack3d yesterday to replace my superdump250, got a month supply of multivitamen from gnc (maximum greens/ultra mega green pack).

Im almost out of my tub of whey protien, so when that is done, im going to buy that weight gainer i took earlier this yet that helped me pack on the weight i gained before, i am considering getting a tub of muscle milk as well. Plan on using whole milk with them.

If i do try something again i might just use tren again, as i have already had experience using it before, and it will probably be at least 2 months before i do i got a busy month coming up.