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Ephedrine - 1/3/2005 3:19:23 AM
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Tasty
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I live in Canada so Ephedrine is still sold as a supplement. I understand that it is usually combined with caffeine and aspirin. I understand that there have been some negative reactions linked to ephedrine use. Does anyone have any personal experience with its usage? From what I have read, most of the complications seem to be linked with incorrect dosage. That was also what my local store told me as well. My plan was to do some small tests with it when I cycle off creatine. The store gave me some samples.
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RE: Ephedrine - 1/3/2005 8:19:03 AM
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SuziQ
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Well before they stoped selling ephedrine in the U.S. I was hooked on it. If I didnt have any I would get a headache and crave it. But now instead of that I am now taking caffine pills which currently am hooked on as well. The problems they were seeing, which caused them to stop selling it was that atheletes who took ephedrine were working out to hard. Since basically all ephedrine does is raise your heart rate, they were using it before a workout then getting their heart rate above their maximum. Which lead to possible deaths. (I'm not for sure but I do think some died from it) Although it does help in alertness and getting you awake, once you take it on a regular basis, you'll be addicted.
I hope this information was of some help.
Good Luck!!!
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RE: Ephedrine - 1/3/2005 2:22:20 PM
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cpl
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SuziQ, get help getting off those caffeine pills.
Tasty, I've used ephedrine in the past when it was still legal here in the U.S. mainly to stay awake while on guard duty- The stuff works, gives you energy and really wakes you up- But it left me feeling very weird throughout the day. I had a weird tingling sensation in my scalp, and just felt generally uneasy- I didn't like it at all. Once I started taking it though, it was hard to stop- I wouldn't say it was addictive, I'm not sure if there were any actual addictive substances in it, but I did have a hard time re-adjusting to a normal sleep/wake schedule without it. If I were you, I'd honestly find another way to get your energy up or burn fat, whichever it is you're looking for.
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RE: Ephedrine - 1/3/2005 11:35:30 PM
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Tasty
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Thanks for the feed back you two. I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to addiction. I am very strict with quantities so it has never been a problem.
I was mainly interested in it as a fat burner for my creatine off cycle. I think I will use my samples(19-8mg ephedrine 6-200mg caffeine) in a month or so. I figure, I will start with one and one once per week. Like the store told me, I can always throw them out if they make me feel weird.
My main personal concerns had to do with heart rate elevation. My resting heart rate is about 72. When I do my high intensity cardio my heart rate can hit 200 for a few seconds.
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RE: Ephedrine - 1/15/2005 6:01:15 AM
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alien
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U can replace ephedrine with yohimbe.I have not tried it myself but it looks like a competent substitute of ephedrine with little sides.Here is some info:
Supplement Yohimbe
Description Yohimbe comes from the bark of an African tree and the active compound, yohimbine, can also be found in high amounts in the South American herb, Quebracho (Aspidosperma quebracho-blanco). It has traditionally been used as a stimulant and aphrodisiac in West Africa and South America. In the USA, yohimbe and quebracho are most often promoted in dietary supplements for treating impotence, stimulating male sexual performance (often marketed as "herbal Viagra") and enhancing athletic performance (as an alternative to anabolic steroids). A purified extract from yohimbe bark yields an alkaloid (stimulant similar to caffeine and ephedra) called Yohimbine, which is regulated as a prescription medication and used for treating erectile dysfunction in males Also promoted as a male aphrodisiac and a natural form of Viagra.
Claims Enhances sexual performance (aphrodisiac and erectile function)
Increases muscle mass (boosts testosterone levels)
Promotes weight loss
Boosts energy levels
Relieves depression
Theory The active compound in yohimbe, an alkaloid called Yohimbine, functions as a monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitor to increase levels of the neurotransmitter, norepinephrine. Yohimbine also acts as a central nervous system stimulator, where it blocks specific receptors (alpha-2 adrenergic receptors) and may increase energy levels and promote fat oxidation. In addition to these effects, yohimbe can also dilate blood vessels – making it a potentially useful treatment for erectile dysfunction and some forms of impotence in men. Because of the MAO inhibition, yohimbe is occasionally recommended as a treatment for mild depression – but St. John’s wort has much better clinical support for effectiveness and safety.
Scientific Support Although yohimbe is frequently promoted as a "natural" way to increase testosterone levels for muscle building, strength enhancement and fat loss, there is no solid scientific proof that yohimbe is either anabolic or thermogenic. Results from a few small trials show that yohimbine can increase blood flow to the genitals (an effect that may occur in both men and women). As such, yohimbe may be effective in alleviating some mild forms of both "psychological" and "physical" impotence. In the few studies conducted on the purified form of yohimbine, only about 30% of subjects reported beneficial effects in terms of erectile function and sexual performance.
Safety As the number of yohimbe products on the retail market increases, concerns about their safety are raised because of the reported toxicity of yohimbine (the major alkaloid of the plant). Reported side effects from yohimbe use include minor complaints such as headaches, anxiety and tension to more serious adverse events including high blood pressure, elevated heart rate, heart palpitations, and hallucinations. People with high blood pressure and kidney disease should avoid supplements containing yohimbe as should women who are (or who could become) pregnant (due to abortion risk). Also, caution should be used with yohimbe taken in combination with certain foods containing tyramine (red wine, liver, and cheese) as well as with nasal decongestants or diet aids with ephedrine or phenylpropanolamine (which could lead to blood pressure fluctuations). Occasionally, yohimbe is combined with serotonergic supplements (such as St. John’s wort or 5-HTP) to increase their effectiveness. It is not recommended to combine yohimbe with other anti-depressant supplements or medications except under the advice and supervision of a nutritionally-oriented physician.
Value For nearly a century, yohimbe has been used as an aphrodisiac and sexual enhancer - although no effect on human sex drive or performance has been adequately demonstrated. Yohimbine (the drug) has been evaluated in the management of erectile disorder in a few small studies, where it appears to have a modest therapeutic benefit over placebo (especially in "psychological" erectile dysfunction). Laboratory analyses (via chromatogram) of commercial yohimbine extracts, however, indicate that although many products contained measurable quantities of the alkaloid yohimbine, the vast majority are largely devoid of effective levels of the compound. Concentrations of yohimbine in commercial yohimbe products typically range from zero to almost 500 ppm (compared with over 7000 ppm in authentic yohimbe bark). Because yohimbe bark has been reported to contain up to 6% total alkaloids, 10-15% of which are yohimbine, it is likely that most supplements containing yohimbe also contain undeclared diluents (which you’re paying a high price for)
Because there are more effective and safe supplement remedies for increasing circulation to promote erectile function (arginine, cordyceps and ginkgo biloba), enhancing muscle strength (HMB and creatine) and weight loss (green tea, banaba leaf and gymnema) and relieving mild depression (SAM-e and St. John’s wort), yohimbe is of limited value.
Dosage Although there are no standard accepted dosage recommendations for yohimbe, it is known that more than 40mg/day of yohimbine can result in adverse side effects such as dizziness, headaches, loss of coordination and hallucinations. Typical daily amounts of yohimbine alkaloids found in commercial supplements (label claims) are often in the range of 10-30mg and occasionally standardized to yohimbine or total alkaloid content.
References 1. Adimoelja A. Phytochemicals and the breakthrough of traditional herbs in the management of sexual dysfunctions. Int J Androl. 2000;23 Suppl 2:82-4.
2. Betz JM, White KD, der Marderosian AH. Gas chromatographic determination of yohimbine in commercial yohimbe products. J AOAC Int. 1995 Sep-Oct;78(5):1189-94.
3. De Smet PA, Smeets OS. Potential risks of health food products containing yohimbe extracts. BMJ. 1994 Oct 8;309(6959):958.
4. Deutsch HF, Evenson MA, Drescher P, Sparwasser C, Madsen PO. Isolation and biological activity of aspidospermine and quebrachamine from an Aspidosperma tree source. J Pharm Biomed Anal. 1994 Oct;12(10):1283-7.
5. Lyon RL, Fong HH, Farnsworth NR, Svoboda GH. Biological and phytochemical evaluation of plants. XI. Isolation of aspidospermine, quebrachidine, rhazinilam, (-)-pyrifolidine, and akuammidine from Aspidosperma quebracho-blanco (Apocynaceae). J Pharm Sci. 1973 Feb;62(2):218-21.
6. Riley AJ. Yohimbine in the treatment of erectile disorder. Br J Clin Pract. 1994 May-Jun;48(3):133-6.
7. Sandler B, Aronson P. Yohimbine-induced cutaneous drug eruption, progressive renal failure, and lupus-like syndrome. Urology. 1993 Apr;41(4):343-5.
8. Tunmann P, Wolf D. The N(b)-oxide of rhazidigenin, an alkaloid from the bark of Aspidospermia Quebracho blanco Schlecht. Z Naturforsch B. 1969 Dec;24(12):1665-6.
Hope this helps u make a right choice if not 2 late.
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RE: Ephedrine - 1/15/2005 10:49:10 AM
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Marc David
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Take a look at my Lipo-6 review. It does *not* have ephedrine in it. Yet the elevated heart rate made me bail only after 1 days usage.
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