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EPISTANE STACK - 4/25/2008 6:22:40 PM
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dagan404
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DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A GOOD CYCLE INCLUDING PCT FOR EPISTANE? ALSO IS EPISTANE BETTER FOR MASS GAINS THAN HEMODROL?
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/26/2008 1:47:41 PM
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get some Havoc with alot of liver supporters. if you are a beginner with havoc chekc this out: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1399921
hope it helps.
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/26/2008 3:56:18 PM
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Epistane/havoc is stronger then hemadrol.
You should have nolvadex at least on hand when you mess with this kind of stuff.
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/26/2008 6:27:12 PM
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is novedex xt similar to nolvadex? i wouldnt know where to get nolva
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/27/2008 7:01:52 AM
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Epistane is good ive done two cycles of the stuff, the first time i used 30 mg ed, for 6 weeks then a pct of tamoxifem (nolva), and trib.. i gained 8 pounds of muscle and lost 3 pounds of fat.. leaned me out alot.
the second cycle i pulsed it.. meaning i only dosed on workout days or 3 times per week.. the idea of pulsing is to avoid shutdown meaning you can aparently get away with not using PCT.. however i still used pct of nolva, mass fx, and hyperdrol. wasent really the best cycle on days where i didnt dose i took mass fx and trib to help keep natural test levals up.. but your second cycle will never be as good as your first.. anyway i gained 7 pounds 3 pounds of fat and 4 of muscle.. and added a good 20 pounds to all compound lifts .. bench going from 300 ish to 320..
and no novadex xt is anti anti estrogen which can be used for PART of your pct.. you must use a SERM ie nolva or clomid which is like 100 times stronger is i remember rightly?
also if your new to prohormones do your research.. PCT is a must.. epistane is a decent product, but if your prone to male pattern balding.. expect to lose alot of hair.. i was shedding up to 50 hairs in the bathc etc.. i finished the cycle 6 weeks ago and now only over the past week has my shedding slowed down to somthing i consider normal.. ie a loss of 10-15 hairs..
anyway its a decent product but do your research and make sure your ready for possible side effects.. also consider pulsing it..
pct looked like this for me
day 1 : 60 mg nolva
2-11 : 40 mg ed
11-21 : 20 mg ed
< Message edited by grantoiz -- 4/27/2008 7:05:19 AM >
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/27/2008 8:57:43 AM
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Epistane is good ive done two cycles of the stuff, the first time i used 30 mg ed, for 6 weeks then a pct of tamoxifem (nolva), and trib.. i gained 8 pounds of muscle and lost 3 pounds of fat.. leaned me out alot.
the second cycle i pulsed it.. meaning i only dosed on workout days or 3 times per week.. the idea of pulsing is to avoid shutdown meaning you can aparently get away with not using PCT.. however i still used pct of nolva, mass fx, and hyperdrol. wasent really the best cycle on days where i didnt dose i took mass fx and trib to help keep natural test levals up.. but your second cycle will never be as good as your first.. anyway i gained 7 pounds 3 pounds of fat and 4 of muscle.. and added a good 20 pounds to all compound lifts .. bench going from 300 ish to 320..
and no novadex xt is anti anti estrogen which can be used for PART of your pct.. you must use a SERM ie nolva or clomid which is like 100 times stronger is i remember rightly?
also if your new to prohormones do your research.. PCT is a must.. epistane is a decent product, but if your prone to male pattern balding.. expect to lose alot of hair.. i was shedding up to 50 hairs in the bathc etc.. i finished the cycle 6 weeks ago and now only over the past week has my shedding slowed down to somthing i consider normal.. ie a loss of 10-15 hairs..
anyway its a decent product but do your research and make sure your ready for possible side effects.. also consider pulsing it..
pct looked like this for me
day 1 : 60 mg nolva
2-11 : 40 mg ed
11-21 : 20 mg ed
Aren't you 18 or 19?
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/27/2008 11:19:50 AM
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odw777
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If you can't get nolva then don't use steroids. That simple.
You could run pulse cycles which would minimize supression, which means just tking it like 3x a week. I've ran a 6 week long one, gained a solid 9lbs, but best of all never lost any afterwards and almost no supression.
but you should still have nolva on hand, this stuff isn't a joke. I didn't take enought time off and tried running it again and I had to stop because I felt like total sh1t. I started getting a fever and felt like I was going to die or something. Just because you can get this stuff legally doesn't mean it's perfectly safe.
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/27/2008 11:43:08 AM
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Tommy_Boy420
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So you sayin pulse cycle is better as far as gains go and sides?
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/27/2008 12:11:11 PM
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odw777
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So you sayin pulse cycle is better as far as gains go and sides?
The problem with pulse cycle for me at least is that you don't get the constant pumped feeling you get with running a normal cycle. Obviously it works a little slower.
But the gains are there and sides are almost nonexistant since you're not shutting your natural test down nearly as much. You also minimize stress on the liver.Taking an ai on off days is good.
You just have to find compounds that are good for pulsing, something that doesn't need to build up in your system to work well and has a short half life so your natural test can bounce back. Epi/havoc work well for pulsing, superdrol too. I've heard lots of people have good luck with superdrol pulses.
Something like pheraplex or halodrol just don't work for pusling since they have to build up to give you a good effect.
Patrick Arnold was talking about a study where rats were given short acting test ester on alternate days and they gained significant muscle with no supression, so it's acctually a good idea if you can get it to work right.
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/27/2008 12:27:42 PM
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dagan404
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Right on thanks for the info, I was thinking about throwing some 4ad in there can you guys suggest a good brand?
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/28/2008 5:07:43 AM
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grantoiz
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Yet
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ORIGINAL: grantoiz
Epistane is good ive done two cycles of the stuff, the first time i used 30 mg ed, for 6 weeks then a pct of tamoxifem (nolva), and trib.. i gained 8 pounds of muscle and lost 3 pounds of fat.. leaned me out alot.
the second cycle i pulsed it.. meaning i only dosed on workout days or 3 times per week.. the idea of pulsing is to avoid shutdown meaning you can aparently get away with not using PCT.. however i still used pct of nolva, mass fx, and hyperdrol. wasent really the best cycle on days where i didnt dose i took mass fx and trib to help keep natural test levals up.. but your second cycle will never be as good as your first.. anyway i gained 7 pounds 3 pounds of fat and 4 of muscle.. and added a good 20 pounds to all compound lifts .. bench going from 300 ish to 320..
and no novadex xt is anti anti estrogen which can be used for PART of your pct.. you must use a SERM ie nolva or clomid which is like 100 times stronger is i remember rightly?
also if your new to prohormones do your research.. PCT is a must.. epistane is a decent product, but if your prone to male pattern balding.. expect to lose alot of hair.. i was shedding up to 50 hairs in the bathc etc.. i finished the cycle 6 weeks ago and now only over the past week has my shedding slowed down to somthing i consider normal.. ie a loss of 10-15 hairs..
anyway its a decent product but do your research and make sure your ready for possible side effects.. also consider pulsing it..
pct looked like this for me
day 1 : 60 mg nolva
2-11 : 40 mg ed
11-21 : 20 mg ed
Aren't you 18 or 19?
yeah im 19.. to young really but i trained for 3 years before doing my first anabolic cycle (d-bol)
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NEW BENCH VIDEO 245 *10
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3633862719544729670
BENCH PRESS NEW EST MAX 325 LBS
deadlift : 450 lbs
barbell rows : 220 * 11 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=514366873051079698&hl=en-GB
close grip bench press : 235 * 4
squat : 315 ! :@
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/28/2008 8:48:30 AM
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ORIGINAL: odw777
If you can't get nolva then don't use steroids. That simple.
You could run pulse cycles which would minimize supression, which means just tking it like 3x a week. I've ran a 6 week long one, gained a solid 9lbs, but best of all never lost any afterwards and almost no supression.
but you should still have nolva on hand, this stuff isn't a joke. I didn't take enought time off and tried running it again and I had to stop because I felt like total sh1t. I started getting a fever and felt like I was going to die or something. Just because you can get this stuff legally doesn't mean it's perfectly safe.
Just curious, how long did you take off between cycles?
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/28/2008 10:16:15 AM
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ORIGINAL: StockJockey
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ORIGINAL: odw777
If you can't get nolva then don't use steroids. That simple.
You could run pulse cycles which would minimize supression, which means just tking it like 3x a week. I've ran a 6 week long one, gained a solid 9lbs, but best of all never lost any afterwards and almost no supression.
but you should still have nolva on hand, this stuff isn't a joke. I didn't take enought time off and tried running it again and I had to stop because I felt like total sh1t. I started getting a fever and felt like I was going to die or something. Just because you can get this stuff legally doesn't mean it's perfectly safe.
Just curious, how long did you take off between cycles?
you take off the combined time of the cycle itself and the pct as a minimum, so if you cycle for 4 weeks and have a 4 week pct you should take 8 weeks off before doing your next cycle, as a minimum
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RE: EPISTANE STACK - 4/28/2008 10:35:56 AM
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StockJockey
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Thanks....and no, I'm not being a smartass.
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