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Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 8:00:02 AM
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Hi all
I just bought a bottle of Dym X, but when I looked at the ingredients list, I saw ephedra, I saw Caffiene...but where was the White Willow Bark!?!?! Apparently theyve replaced the White Willow (Aspirin) with Yohimbine HCL!!! What are AST trying to play at?!?!
I rang up AST and they told me that they replaced the aspirin with Yohimbine, and they claim that it works better than before (they would do).
Does anyone have any experience with the new non Aspirin formula? What exactly did the white willow do in the previous formula apart from prolong the effects?
Ive used non Aspirin Dymetradine X this morning starting off with 1 pill, and another pill 45 mins before my evening meal, and Ive yet to feel any sort of sensation or rapiod heartbeat or any heat sensation at all. Just wondering if its normal not to feel anything at all - whether positive or negative.
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 8:19:18 AM
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Twin Peak
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Wow I did not know this.
Is it mor expensive? What is the dose of each. This is great news, BTW.
Aspirin does nothing, where as Yohimbine has excellent lypolytic effects. It is a beta-2 receptor agonist.
I am impressed. Funny that you were pissed, eh?
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 8:35:43 AM
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Gotta agree with Twin Peak. Aspirin doesn' t make much difference, except in the extremely obese.
However, I have another concern about this formula - mixing ephedrine and yohimbine is usually not recommended. I suspect though that perhaps there isn' t enough of one or both ingredients to be really effective, especially considering you say you didn' t feel anything. A combination of yohimbe and caffeine would have me bouncing off the walls, even without ephedrine. You may just be wasting your money.
Why not just buy separate ephedrine and caffeine tablets?
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 8:51:27 AM
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Im now on the 3rd day of Dymetadrine non asprin formula, and despite popping 4 pills today (2 in the morning and 2 pills 45 mins before my workout), I still feel absolutly no side effects at all, and infact I dont feel like im losing any weight either.
I hear all these stories how people feel dizzy, or hot, light headed, heart palpitations, heavy beats....but taking this formula hasnt had any negative OR positive effect on me what so ever. Looking at the ingredients, they actually increased the ephedrine alkaloids to 24mg per 300mg of ephedra extract, and kept the quantity or caffiene and the other ingredients the same. The only difference being is that 2mg of Yohimbine have replaced the 50mg of asprin.
Despite never taking ephedrine pills before, or any fat burner Im already taking 4 pills of Dymex and feel no effect at all, where as most people can hardly handle 1 pill.
So.. 1 of 2 things - either (1) Im some super human type person that can handle heart wrenching quantities of ephedrine with no effort (which I doubt very much) or (2) the new formula is a con, and is a possible way for AST to reduce costs by swapping 50mg if willow bark for 2mg of Yohimbine, thus reducing the effect (and cost or production) of the product and hoping to maintain high sales by riding on the success of the original ingredients mix and marketing the new product as the same ECA stack as before.
I spend $25.99 on this product - so Im going to have to stick it out for a few weeks and see if anything changes. I' ll keep you posted 
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 8:58:20 AM
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Read my post above.
Yohimbine is an excellent ingredient. Aspirin is a waste.
I can take plenty of ephedrince and yohimine and feel nothing. Many others are the same. You won' t see fat loss in 4 days, either.
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 9:03:57 AM
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Gotta agree with Twin Peak. Aspirin doesn' t make much difference, except in the extremely obese.
However, I have another concern about this formula - mixing ephedrine and yohimbine is usually not recommended. I suspect though that perhaps there isn' t enough of one or both ingredients to be really effective, especially considering you say you didn' t feel anything. A combination of yohimbe and caffeine would have me bouncing off the walls, even without ephedrine. You may just be wasting your money.
Why not just buy separate ephedrine and caffeine tablets?
I take both, as do many others. While the combo can be bad for some, if tolerated, it is an extremely potent combo.
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 9:08:00 AM
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My problem is that the so called ' effects' of the metabolizing process aren' t occurring. i.e the ' heat sensation' , the ' rapid heart beat' , the slight ' jitters' etc etc. After taking the pills I have absolutely no difference in my physical or mental state at all. Which indicates that nothing is actually happening in my body after taking them. I was hoping that the pills would give me more energy, mental focus (as it says on every web page promoting the product) if taken approx 45 mins prior to work out, but I feel absolutely no difference to what I felt before I took the pills.
I cant quite understand why it is that this product, developed by such a reputable company such as AST has failed so far to live up-to any expectations. Although I DON' T particularly want to feel a rapid heart beat, or shaky jitters, I wouldn' t mind having some sort of effect taking place such as a heat sensation in my body - just to let me know that somethings happening.
I' m not slating AST, as I use their VP2 protein isolate - which I believe is definitely the best protein powder on the market by far and would recommend this product to anyone.
In-fact, AST have been the most reliable company in the market for their products, which is why I' m VERY surprised to find this Dymetadrine to be a complete waste of time and money so far.
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 9:23:50 AM
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My point was that I do not get any of those effects either. You should be grateful.
I am not a big fan of AST, but unless they are not meeting label claims (and I have no reason to believe that they are) this sounds like a good product. In fact the only AST product I have ever used is the old version of this.
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 10:57:14 AM
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I don' t even gain water from creatine. There are plenty of us " non-responders" .
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 11:46:29 AM
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Why are we jumping to such a conclusion.
Its only been FOUR days....its just the SIDE-EFFECTS he isn' t noticing -- which is a good thing.
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 12:03:33 PM
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Well, its not magic. A good E and Y combo product should produce say 1-3 pounds more fat loss than you would achieve without.
If someone is looking for those before and after picture results, its not just from the supplement alone.
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/13/2003 8:21:38 PM
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Aspirin has little if any effect on the combination of ephedra and caffeine. In fact the only thin the aspirin does is seemingly prolong the effects of the two. If you are taking 2 separate doses, then you have that taken care of.
as pointed out earlier, the aspirin only made a significant difference in those who were obese (BMI > 30).
If you are really that concerned about the lack of aspirin, go down to the drug store and buy some baby tablets, they come in 50-100mg doses.
Secondly, a lot of the attribution to the weight loss seen in these people was put on the fact that they were moving much more because they had more energy. Sure they demonstrated greater RMRs but they were on restricted calorie diets as well.
That' s an interesting thing about ephedra. Everyone experiences different degrees of somatic effects. it' s like coffee. Some people can take a triple latte and take a nap where as some can' t have a cup of joe with out jogging around the block.
I' ve never really had the sweating, rapid heart rate etc deal and this actually shows up in research. Over time all of those things seem to become less prominent. But, people still see reductions in BF% faster than those who don' t take it.
When I first started taking E/C/A stack, I did get all of those sign, and trust me, it isn' t all that pleasurable. You aren' t missing anything. Your better off with out getting them.
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/16/2003 6:42:57 AM
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quote:
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where as Yohimbine has excellent lypolytic effects. It is a beta-2 receptor agonist.
You sure it' s not an alpha-2 receptor antagonist?
Yeah, what he said. And thus ends my streak of perfection.
In fact, I mean to write alpha; the agonist, antagonist thing I always screw up. :)
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RE: Dymetradine X - non aspirin formula - 6/16/2003 8:10:57 AM
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It' s dead easy.
Just think -
An agonist binds to a receptor and causes something to happen.
An antagonist binds to a receptor and blocks something else from binding and causing something to happen.
In this case, yohimbine blocks noradrenalin/adrenalin from binding to the alpha-2 receptor.
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