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Did you know...? - Friday, June 27, 2008 10:03 PM
Well i didnt. I just found out that partially hydrongenated oils/ hydrogenated oils are actually not even leagal to use in any way in countrys like europe, germany, canada and more. The usa, fda is one of the only legal systems that has actually allowed that. Im allmost 99% sure thats true aswell, anybody know the facts, or have any input on this? 
 
 
 
WOW.
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RE: Did you know...? - Saturday, June 28, 2008 6:29 AM
Yes, this is sadly true.  I believe the Japanese were the ones who invented HFCS, but now ban it because they realize it is not healthy.  The FDA allows many dangerous substances to be used for the sake of a dollar that most other countries don't allow.  My mom just got home from Norway, and told me she was upset because "They didn't have ANY artificial sweener's over there!  I had to put SUGAR in my coffee!"  She then proceeded to say this "You know Nick, it was really odd, but I saw basically NO fat people in Norway!"   Hmm....
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RE: Did you know...? - Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:36 AM

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Yes, this is sadly true.  I believe the Japanese were the ones who invented HFCS, but now ban it because they realize it is not healthy.  The FDA allows many dangerous substances to be used for the sake of a dollar that most other countries don't allow.  My mom just got home from Norway, and told me she was upset because "They didn't have ANY artificial sweener's over there!  I had to put SUGAR in my coffee!"  She then proceeded to say this "You know Nick, it was really odd, but I saw basically NO fat people in Norway!"   Hmm....

 
hmmm is right! It all adds up doesnt it! FDA is complete BS.
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RE: Did you know...? - Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:08 PM
all they care about is the $...

thats the American way.
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RE: Did you know...? - Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:21 PM

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all they care about is the $...

thats the American way.

 
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RE: Did you know...? - Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:43 PM
All the garbage floating around the FDA equals rape for Canadia too.
 
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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:20 AM
Only in the land of obesity.
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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:42 AM

ORIGINAL: SouLja

All the garbage floating around the FDA equals rape for Canadia too.

Raw milk is illegal here :(



See, what really gets me is this-

You want to buy raw milk for health...

Gov't says: "Ohhh Noooez, dat stuff will make you get teh sickz, plus we added all teh vitaminz back in teh milk!!"---
What they really mean: "No, the big dairy industries will lose money and the process of pasturization will be questioned, especially since there is no hard evidence that raw milk from reliable sources can make you sick at all and has been shown to be extremely healthy; oh, and you will all be healthier so you won't need to buy as many drugs from the pharmaceutical companies that we are in bed with;  plus, you will come to realize that humans drank raw milk for thousands of years, and not because it made them sick."

You want to buy cigarettes because you are addicted....

Gov't says: "Aww, it's ok for you guys to buy cigarettes even if they can kill you, I know how addicting they can be. But here! We will sell you this Nicotene gum/patch that will get you off these cigarettes in a short 15 months!  We really care about you!"---
What they really mean:  "Yeah, we will sell you cigarettes even though it is proven that they can kill you.  We will make a fortune off of tobacco sales in trade for your health.  And by the way, if you don't succumb to quitting and buying nicotene patches/gum, you will eventually have major complications when you are older and need to be hospitilized and will be paying us thousands of dollars in hospital bills.  So go ahead and buy your cigarettes, we dont give a sh** about your health."

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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:52 AM

ORIGINAL: mee4414

Well i didnt. I just found out that partially hydrongenated oils/ hydrogenated oils are actually not even leagal to use in any way in countrys like europe, germany, canada and more. The usa, fda is one of the only legal systems that has actually allowed that. Im allmost 99% sure thats true aswell, anybody know the facts, or have any input on this? 



WOW.

 
Partially hydrogenated oils/fats are Polyunsaturates, i thought they were the healthiest oils/fats to have?
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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:04 AM
nope, partially hydrogenated are trans fats...the unhealthiest fats u can have
 
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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:38 AM
im pretty sure we have hydrogenated oils in canada....
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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:12 PM

ORIGINAL: edrice2

nope, partially hydrogenated are trans fats...the unhealthiest fats u can have



trans is simply the two chains being opposite diagonally, rather than cis-isomer.

Hydrogenated means hydrogens on the carbon chain, A partially hydrogenated fat or oil is a chain in which not every carbon has its full potential of hydrogens, aka, polyunsaturates.

A saturated carbon chains is a carbon chain with its full amount of hydrogens, an unsaturated (ergo only partially hydrogenated) is a chain with double bonds and not its full potential of hydrogens

http://www.s-cool.co.uk/topic_quicklearn.asp?loc=ql&topic_id=17&quicklearn_id=2&subject_id=7&ebt=166&ebn=&ebs=&ebl=&elc=13


Trans and cis are merely geometric isomers, it has nothing to do with how hydrogenated it is....

A cis fat could have the same amount of hydrogens as a trans fat....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat

This is slightly helpful...though they have facts wrong.


This results in a straight, rather than kinked, shape for the carbon chain, more like the straight chain of a fully saturated fat.


You can see clearly in a endorsed website for education that trans isomers are the kinked ones...whereas they say it makes it straighter.

Partially hydrogenated in these terms means further hydrogenation of an unsaturated fat....So basically theyre turning a unsaturated fat into a saturated fat.


So its the same as saturated fats and that theyre bad.


Chemically, fats are large molecules consisting of three fatty acid groups connected to a single glycerol derivative. The term trans fat generally refers to a fat that contains one or more trans fatty acid groups. Fatty acid molecules are essentially long-chain hydrocarbons with a terminal carboxyl group. Fatty acids are characterized as saturated or unsaturated based on the number of hydrogen atoms in the acid. If the molecule contains the maximum possible number of hydrogen atoms, it is said to be saturated; otherwise, it is unsaturated to some degree.



At least they got this bit right....


 
EDIT:Im not arguing im just confused because it appears the terms the media and health critics use arent actually directly translatable from pure chemistry...Because anyone taking pure chem being asked what a "partially hydrogenated fat" is would answer a fat that isnt fully hydrogenated, aka, unsaturated...That doesnt appear to be the case however, as it seems partially hydrogenated fats in these terms means man made saturated fats....however a saturated fat is FULLY hydrogenated...thats why im confused about this all...
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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: mee4414

Well i didnt. I just found out that partially hydrongenated oils/ hydrogenated oils are actually not even leagal to use in any way in countrys like europe, germany, canada and more. The usa, fda is one of the only legal systems that has actually allowed that. Im allmost 99% sure thats true aswell, anybody know the facts, or have any input on this? 



WOW.


Partially hydrogenated oils/fats are Polyunsaturates, i thought they were the healthiest oils/fats to have?

 
nooooo! hydrogenated= trans = poly is a whole diff type of fat
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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:20 PM
Pure chemistry "partially hydrogenated" means it is an unsaturated fat, and most likely a poly unsaturated....
 
However it appears there are "common names" for these fats and i have no clue as to what they chemically represent as theyre not using the IUPAC system, when they clearly should be, bastards
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RE: Did you know...? - Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:23 PM

ORIGINAL: twistedlink

Pure chemistry "partially hydrogenated" means it is an unsaturated fat, and most likely a poly unsaturated....


I dont exactly understand what your saying =/, but ill make the best of it... "partially hydrogenated" really has nothing "partial" about it, eaither you hydrodenated the perfectaly fine oil it was into a trans fat (hydrogenated) or you dont. Here in U.S anything hydrogenated is a trans fat , true it is not saturated nor poly. So I guss europe you use the Iupac system? how does that work out
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