Detailed info on supplements: Deffinately consider reading

I have been doing some web searching and I came across this info section on a site. It's pretty useful stuff to know. It may even be helpful to other BB. I hope you all like itSports Medicine

I don't know if it will show when you go to the link, but there was a "Special 'K' diet" on the top of the page "Lose up to 6 pounds in two weeks!" (...) It makes me sick, they forgot to add it was lean muscle.

I just saw at the bottom of the webpage there's the sponsor links: they are trying front ephedra?! what's up with that? I still think the info is straight up tho.

I think the supplement business is no better than any other business out there today. Every business is out there to make money. And they will do whatever they can to get customers and get them to part with their welll-earned money. I work in retail, I know the line. I hate it. My company is one of the "better" ones and doesn't force things on us, just asks us to try new things once in a while. There are some really bad tactics out there in retail, and no doubt there are some ugly tactics used in the supplement industry. Common sense might not help in the supplement industry when it comes to consumers, becaus all supplement companies are equally as bad. I want my supplement company to publish scientific data from research done by an OUTSIDE source on that company's products about their effectiveness. I'd like to see a bodybuilding magazine devoted to testing these supplements and NOT getting paid for a good review. I don't like how the government is trying to kill the supplement industy, but I don't like how fast and nasty the supplement industry is getting.

Yeah it's a shame there can't be a company that is devoted to making scientific research is made on supplements and give straight up honest opinions and statements on them. The company should review it's self from the outside, almost as if they were not the company. We need more honesty...

This is kinda related to the above. Why can't these bodybuilding magazines or some magazine just step up and give unbiased supplement information? Well.. it's sort of in relation to the question that I asked Kris a while back. For those of you who don't know who Strongbad is.. you can find Strongbad here

Most forums are free and they aren't completely unbiased either. This one tries to be as the members don't have any real motivation not to be. But Supplements101 supports this place (pays fees, pays for upgrades) so you can see that even we're not completely unbiased when it comes to where to buy supplements. Unless of course, Sups101 doesn't carry it. Why? Read below.


** Strongbad steps in:

"You see Marc, The internet is a place where everrryyybooodddyy wants evveerryyytthinng for free. And well, they're going to take advantage of that."

The forum is a free service to them... and in turn we like to have our store promoted for that free service (so in reality the service isn't free). If a member wanted a truly unbiased non profit motivated forum they would need to find a forum that charges a monthly fee for like $5.95 or something like that... but we all know no member would pay for a forum when they can get it for free.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

I would pay for this forum, i believe it to be an unvalueable part of anyone's routine!

About the funding: Supps101 support this place because they get business from it! (obvious) Just think about the number of people unknowledgeable of supplement pass through here and end up on the supp101 homepage! That's a lot of business. Absolutely nothing is free, there will always be something to give in return.

I myself not reall having any links with affiliates. I have a completely unbiased view almost everything, because I am trying to a good person and find truth for fellow bodybuilders. No point in trying to decieve poeple, if a product works and you don't lie, I think the majority of customers would come back to buy more!

Thanks DB.com

I would pay for this forum

If you haven't seen it.. You may be interested in becoming a DB Premier Member

Since the forum is free, and Sups101 pays for it, it's a given he's going to get free advertising.

If I charged every member, there would be a lot less people who come here. And I like keeping this place free and giving people a ton of good info..

But if people do feel like contributing, they get a few extras and you are supporting a community.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

I will do, I'll become a premier member... Couple days and I'll be ok to do that.

I have no problem with Sups 101 paying for and advertising on this board to keep it free. NOW....if MuscleTech or TwinLabs were to come on here and advertise and also post on the board, now there's a problem. I have no problem with Sups 101 because they carry all kinds of supplements. They might be biased towards promoting supplements for growth and against doing it naturally, but they have that right because they are a business.

What I do have a problem with is shelling out my hard-earned money for a couple of magazines that turn out to be glorified supplement advertisments and biased towards those advertisers. It's a different situation because they aren't providing anything for free.

I'll give another example. I know of this webhosting form that used to be great until they started getting advertising. All kinds of webhosting companies advertised and they started to post on the forums. No one could get an answer as to who was the best service because everyone was biased.

Obviously this board will be pro Supps 101 and against GNC ad the like because of that. As long as the admins of this board don't censor when an unbiased poster recommends another supplement/viatamin shop over Supps 101.

If admins censor then.... Then this would be a communist thread... No freedom of speech about the "government" lol

but it's not against freedom of speech because they have to also protect the wishes of the their advertisers.

Very true... We want this forum to stick around for a while. I love it, I mean come on... I became a senior member in two days, this place is fantastic! I posted my but off!

So a good thanks to the sponsors of Discuss Bodybuilding.Com: We all appreciate it.

I thought maybe I'd step in on this thread and say a little something as this seems to come up every once and a while.

Supplements101.com and FreedomFly.net originally partnered together to create this forum. Both companies wanted a forum. I can't speak for FreedomFly.net's reasons but I know one of our main reasons was to have a place where we could send our customers to be more informed about the industry. Originally the forum was located at Supplements101.com (http://forum.supplements101.com) but we (Supps101 and FreedomFly.net) thought it would be best to create a new domain and an entirely new site for our forum.

As far as making a lot of money with this forum... that's not happening. With the small amount of customer referrals from DB (ask Marc) compared to our costs we are actually losing money keeping this forum online. It's our hope that in a couple of years this forum will be one of the best on the net. Maybe then it will start to generate some profit for Supplements 101, or maybe we will end up simply having the best forum on the net that everyone talks about (which would make me a very happy man).

We will never bring in a manufacturer to advertise on this forum. Supplements 101 sponsors the forum and therefore a Supplements 101 banner is shown on every page. That’s it! We don’t come in and promote products or try to push lines to anyone. People post what they want.

Posting to another (competitor) site of Supplements 101 will not be allowed if Supplements 101 carries the product in question. If someone finds a product and wants to place a link to it and Supplements 101 does not carry that product then that is fine. But if Supplements 101 has the product in question and the poster needs to place a link, it must be placed towards Supplements 101.

Is this censoring? Yes, but we’re a business and we’re going to operate like one. We’re not going to pay to keep this forum online while people post links to our competitors sites to give them business… that just doesn’t make sense. Think about it. Would you go into a GNC and put a poster up on the wall that says “Instead of shopping here, buy at Supplements101.com?” I don’t think so… and even if you did they would take it down. Same goes with DB.com. Except at DB.com, if you have a link to a site or a specific product that Supplements 101 doesn’t carry we will let you post it.

If we changed the forum and made everyone pay a monthly or yearly membership fee I would remove the banners and let people post to whatever sites they choose. The fact is, people won’t pay if they can have something for free. If you found DB.com before reading any posts and saw that you had to pay $24.95 for yearly access would you? Probably not… you’d go back to google.com and search for another forum. Since we’re not based on paid memberships we try to make back some of our costs by having the forum refer customers our way.

No point in trying to deceive people, if a product works and you don't lie, I think the majority of customers would come back to buy more!

That’s how we feel. We NEVER push a product to a customer. If a customer wants to order a Human Growth Hormone supplement we don’t stop them, but if they ask for a product we will never say “Buy an hGH supplement.” Did you know we discontinued MuscleTech from our site? MuscleTech brought in a ton of customers but we couldn’t deal with that company anymore. Too many lies and something we always hated to sell. Try to find another online supplement store that removed MuscleTech for that reason… not going to happen. This site was originally created to inform our customers who wanted to know about the industry… not to generate money.

The fact is, if we didn't sell *hot* new products we would go out of business. First, people searching for these products would never find our site and therefor we would not get that customers business. Secondly, we would lose our current customers that are looking for those new products. If they can't find it when they try shopping again on our site they'll find another store to start giving their business to. Protein and Creatine alone will not keep us alive in this industry. We have to carry everything and have all the new products on the market or else bye bye Supps101 and DB. It's sad but true.

Many thanks to all our DB members who continue to post and help us grow. One day we will have the best Bodybuilding forum on the net and you will have helped us get there.

Kris Anderson
Have you ordered from Supplements101.com yet?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

MuscleTech brought in a ton of customers but we couldn’t deal with that company anymore. Too many lies and something we always hated to sell. Try to find another online supplement store that removed MuscleTech for that reason… not going to happen.

I give you guys the props to do that. I feel like Muscletech is to the supplement industry like what Microsoft is to the computer industry, only worse. I think you guys are being responsible by supproting this forum and helping shoppers who come to your site to make informed decisions. I work in a retail store and I feel that all the customer wants is to be able to make an informed decision without being hassled into buying what they feel they don't need.

I took a look around your site, and I am impressed. There are an amazing amount of deals on there. When it comes time for me to buy supps next month I will definitely make a more informed decision. I am a little leary of buy supps and food online only because I know how the stuff gets treated in shipping. Not that stuff that "brick and mortar" stores is shipped any better, I just like to look at things and actually pick up the product and read the label.

I hope this board becomes even more popular and we can start having many more people make more informed decisions about supps and training. Keep up the great work guys!

Well this more recent part of the thread certainly brought light to certain things and issues this sight is "battling" if you will. They are doing an impressive job.

Well done, Team Discuss Bodybuilding!

Many thanks to all our DB members who continue to post and help us grow. One day we will have the best Bodybuilding forum on the net and you will have helped us get there

Actually Kris, I'd have to say you're already there. Obviously I haven't been to all the bodybuilding forums out there, but I've looked at quite a few, and the one thing that sets DBB apart from all of them is that the people here don't just post some piece of info that they heard from a guy who's cousin's hairdresser is dating a "huge dood"... The people here seem to care about what really works, and not just what they read in a magazine ad.

Sure, there are other boards with hundreds of active posters, but when they're all posting garbage it makes it a less desirable place to go. So keep up the good work folks -- if you provide good information, the people will come.

-30-

In six months, what will your t-shirt say?

My training journal: Sweating with the toadies
My scattered thoughts: The Bramble

This place is a bomb of factual information! You have many Forums that cover many topics. Basically everyone who is a member is a bodybuilder, or interested in getting started. Bodybuilders who help other bodybuilders! What could be better. With the huge amount of members, people try new products and supps, and then they usually out of good heart come here to post there experiences with it. To educate others on making an informed decision on good products.

Beside that we have this tight knit community of... well, friends! We Back up anyone this sight who is wiling to listen, and give them motivation a support helping them do the right thing. This right here may very well be why DBB.COM will become the most popular bodybuilding Forum site, because it's jam packed with honest and unbiased members.

WAY TO GO DDB.COM!!!

Thanks guys!!! It's good to know that this whole site is appreciated.

Now back to the eating, training and heavy lifting! Except Sunday night. We are allowed a couple of drinks!

Marc C. David - NGA CPT
Author of NoBull Bodybuilding
www.nobullbodybuilding.com

I think it's pretty important that you treat yourself every once in a while. Reminds you it's not having a hardcore diet the rest of your life.

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