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[Deleted] - 5/15/2007 10:02:18 AM
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RE: What is an average mass gain per year? - 5/15/2007 10:22:18 AM
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IBendBarbells
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222lbs and you don't look that big at 6'2?... Must have a larger bone structure..
Do you ever work your lower back? Do you do any of these movements: deadlifts Squats Standing Military Press?
How do your measurements look? What does your diet look like?
you sure your not over training?
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RE: What is an average mass gain per year? - 5/15/2007 11:46:13 AM
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I'd have to join IBB's speculation about the content of your training (perhaps even overtraining), but first, I have to whine about your malcontent:
185 at 15 years of age? 222 at 21 years of age?? And you're disappointed?! I'd give BOTH of my nuts to steroids if I could get to 185 at 35, bro. But, coming from a lifetime below 135, I have to settle for being a lean & ripped 160 -maybe 170 if I bust my ass for the next five years.
6'2" and 222 is plenty big enough to look like a tank. But, since we're all experts at taking our strengths for granted, I won't deign to bust your chops about wanting to be bigger.
As to your question: yes, 5-10 pounds per year sounds like a reasonable and believable annual gain. Anything more than that is very likely not lean muscle. That has been my experience; once I cleared my "beginner's gains", everything came to a screeching halt. I count myself lucky if I get 1.2 Lbs lean mass per month.
To keep things going, you have to keep increasing the intensity of your workouts (which your post leads me to believe you have no problem accepting). But, if you're not hitting the right combination of holistic, mass-building, compound movements with a flood of nutrients and tons of sleep between workouts, it makes no difference how hard you work in the gym -you won't gain anything.
If you want to get back on the mass gravy train, like IBB suggested, you need to spend less time curling and bench pressing (which is a lousy anabolic stimulator, no matter what the bench-addicted flocks of lemmings in the freeweight section think), and more time squatting, deadlifting, power-cleaning, and rowing.
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[Deleted] - 5/15/2007 1:07:27 PM
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RE: What is an average mass gain per year? - 5/15/2007 1:56:50 PM
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LoL I still don't feel big either sometimes. Depending on what I wear.. If I have a baggy shirt on that does not fit well around the shoulders I get PISSED! But when I find clothes that fit me well I feel big.. Without my shirt on I always feel big though. You out weigh me by 15lbs and your an inch taller then me. Muscle looks big on my small frame though.
I have to be honest I did not start working my lower back and legs until last year and WOW! i can't believe how much it helped! Not to mention I feel all around more powerful then I felt before. Alot of your over head strength comes from your lower back for stabilization. Also your lower back is a major part of the core to your body. I compare it to an apple "the smaller the core the smaller the apple"
When you train are you hitting each muscle more then once a week?
Its best to try to work certain muscle groups only once per week... Like so:
Chest + tri's
Back + bi's
Quads + shoulders
Abs + hamstrings
Or like this:
Chest
Back
Legs
Shoulders
Arms
See how im breaking down the muscle groups? I work only one of those muscle groups per week So chest is a day in it self so is back legs and shoulders etc...
dieting too! thats an important aspect. You want to eat plenty of calories carbs + protein while you bulk... Don't just stuff your face with everything just because you have a fast metabolism.. There is a big difference between someone who has bulked from 180lbs to 220lbs with a decently clean diet. More lean muscle gains different measurements.
For instance I bulked from 170lbs to 200lbs last year then Realized whoa! what am I doing I am looking more fat then muscular! So then I had to change my diet and start cutting with cardiovascular work. So I went all the way back down to 189lbs now I clean bulked it to 205lbs and my measurements are different from the last time not to mention more lean muscle came with the fat.
Figure out about how many calories you are consuming now and how many grams per body weight.. if you really want to weigh 240lbs you need to eat 240 grams of protein. Calories are going to very because no one knows your body chemistry except for you.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: What is an average mass gain per year? - 5/15/2007 2:18:56 PM
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I dunno veg ive gained quite a bit of muscle just in the past half year, ive stayed around the same fat and gained a good 15lbs so far...My problem is maintaing it and my strength, ive had a week off and lost 3lbs and lost tonnes of strength, insane shizz man!
Anyway, 6'2" 222lbs is great, thats a decent weight (unless you have like 25% BF lol) and you really only need another 20lbs to become extreme tank.
Hell i know guys taller than you at 220-240lbs and they look pretty meaty too.
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RE: What is an average mass gain per year? - 5/16/2007 9:03:58 AM
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I contribute all of my gains to getting enough protein (mostly from real food, only a couple shakes, pre/post workout), getting enough sleep, and squats, deads, cleans.
I used to work out very sporadically, pretty much just upper body, what I saw everyone else in the gym doing. Surely enough I hit a wall at 175 lbs or so, couldn't break threw for the longest time, worked out real hard, started to get my diet alittle more on track, nothing really helped. I then started going to bed earlier to get ATLEAST 8 hours of sleep and doing those large compound movements. Yesterday I weighed 200 lbs and I've kept the same BF% if not lost bf since then. I'm tellin' ya squats, deads, cleans are natures steroids.
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RE: What is an average mass gain per year? - 5/16/2007 3:02:33 PM
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squats just wear me out 
But after doing deads i do get these symptoms nearly ALWAYS around a few hours after the workout
1.Feeling restless
2.Horniness
3.feeling strong (do you get what i mean? your muscles just feel tight, and not because of the workout, you just feel like you could perform loads better than usual)
4.Easily angered or pissed off, funnily enough after deads today-ive already made a thread pissing on someone from getting annoyed
cleans i dont do, not quite into them, but hey i didnt like doing squats or deads first off but now i love them
Diet i would say is the most important part of bodybuilding/powerlifting.
Working out is easy, one hour every day/other day and it releases endorphines and makes you happy, its a great thing working out, the hard part is forcing down above maintenance level foods at particular times, not just when youre hungry.
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