Deadlift and Bench World Record

I'm just wondering why the bench press record (1010lb) is more than the deadlift world record (1008lb). Could it be because of the bench suit they use?

Probably because the deadlift is much harder on the CNS and bench pressing is suites tend to be more beneficial than deadlifts in suites, I could be wrong- But that's just my opinion. Whoever benched more than they deadlifted though had some serious imbalance.

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suits most probably

Anbe Sivam. Period.

It is definitely the bench shirts.  Couple that with the tiny range of motion those big gutted short armed powerlifters have and you get a WR bench.  The dead lift just doesn't get as much attention as the bench press and therefore there has been less technology and research put into deadlift suits than bench shirts.  I think the WR for a raw dead lift is in the high 900's while the suited record is barely higher (low 1000's).  The raw bench record is 725 I believe and the suited is in the 1000's.  The only other factor missing in the equation is a bench shirt.

Chalky Palms


It is definitely the bench shirts.  Couple that with the tiny range of motion those big gutted short armed powerlifters have and you get a WR bench. 

True, true, true.

I've noticed whenever watching a powerlifter bench a lot of weight, their gut sticks up about 3 feet and their arms about 3 feet and 2 inches so they lower the weight to their ribs and push it up 2 inches and get a world record.. it's funny to watch.

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ive seen a video where a guy unracks the bar then a whole lot of people run in and rack it up. And he then gets some record.

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MoNey ShOt


ive seen a video where a guy unracks the bar then a whole lot of people run in and rack it up. And he then gets some record.

yeah ive seen that. i thought 'feck me, im gonna watch some guy bench 1000lbs,' and someone uracked it, he lowered it to his gut and then pushed it a few inches, and they racked it for him.
it was a bag of w@nk

Bench Press Max - 170kg @ 100kg
Squat Max - 220kg @100kg
Deadlift Max - 275kg @100kg

Weight - 90kg

There hasn't been much advancement in the deadlift suits lately like there has in bench. Also you have people that train only for bench, but people don't really train only for DL, people normaly compete in all 3 or just bench. Also most people DL more than they squat, but as you get more experienced alot of people's squats pass their deadlifts, the squat wr is alot higher than the deadlift or bench.

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Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

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The guy that benched 1080lbs had the worse flexibility in the world. Why do people train in suites anyway? I mean all it is is a way to cheat. The guy also had the worse case of rounded shoulders I've ever seen in my life.

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*Suits

It's suits man, no 'e'



Suite is like a fancy bedroom in a hotel lol

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Ah, thanks for the correction.

I think it's cheating anyway.

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it isn't cheating if it is in the rules and everyone does it.  If you were there was competition between raw lifters and someone wore a shirt then yes, it would be cheating.  Bench shirts help the bottom of the lift mainly, the guys still need INSANE tricep strength to lock the weight out, as short of a distance as it may be.

Yeah, true about everyone using suits isn't not cheating.. I still think it's better to compete raw though, I mean saying "I bench pressed 300lbs" referring to a suit and not being able to bench press that regularly isn't the complete truth. For example, it's like having someone help me with my bench press and claiming it as my max, it's still assistance.

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MVP


Yeah, true about everyone using suits isn't not cheating.. I still think it's better to compete raw though, I mean saying "I bench pressed 300lbs" referring to a suit and not being able to bench press that regularly isn't the complete truth. For example, it's like having someone help me with my bench press and claiming it as my max, it's still assistance.

Yes but most people don't buy shirts unless they are fairly seasoned at benching.  There aren't teens walking around with bench shirts on claiming they bench 300, and for the most part there won't be because they don't have the stabilizers to even control the weight.  If someone is claiming a max they usually state whether it is equipped or raw, if not it is usually easy to tell. 

I'm not a fan of shirts but that is the name of the game now.  There is still raw power lifting but it has taken the back seat right now.  I don't like it but that is the way it is.  People like to see big numbers, and even though a raw 400+ press is extremely impressive to us, it isn't going to make it on TV.  

Big numbers bring big audiences and people can't empathize with the lifters unless it is strongman related with familiar things being lifted (cars, tires, stones) or if the numbers are mind boggling such as equipped power lifting.

True about it bringing a bigger audience, but using a shirt just because it allows you to move more weight is ridiculous. Is that the only reason they use one? About how much do they increase the weight by?

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MVP


True about it bringing a bigger audience, but using a shirt just because it allows you to move more weight is ridiculous. Is that the only reason they use one? About how much do they increase the weight by?

The shirt is used to move more weight.   It also takes a lot of stress off the shoulders.  Weight increases can vary from person to person depending on multiple factors.  Increases can be as little as 50lbs to several hundred pounds or more.  

Yes, it does seem ridiculous, and you will never see me in a bench shirt, but shirt or not, those guys are locking out 1000+ lbs.  I don't care if they move it an inch or what not but even holding that much weight statically above you is unreal.  It could crush a normal person.   But either way, the sport isn't for everyone, and not everyone has to like it.  They guys don't do it so they can brag to their friends about how much they bench, it is just a tool used to help them in their sport. 

People's egos get in the way too often and they start to feel cheated when they see someone with a bench shirt but who cares?  Most of those guys aren't doing it to show off.

In that case Chalky, if you did powerlifter competitions right now it would be very possible you could bench press 405lbs and deadlift 600lbs in a suit (depending on how you much it increases your poundages). That's about the same as Rippetoes personal bests.

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lol yea well, a man remembered more for his coaching prowess than his powerlifting but still nice to know.

Why would you want to bench 1000+ anyways ???
It's weird !

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

Okay, I'm not a body builder, but looking at this from a sports point of view... Doesn't that bench shirt thingy kinda defeat the purpose of why you train? I mean in a real situation that you're going to use the strength that is developed through bench pressing, you won't really have that bench shirt on...

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Chalky Palms

MVP


Yeah, true about everyone using suits isn't not cheating.. I still think it's better to compete raw though, I mean saying "I bench pressed 300lbs" referring to a suit and not being able to bench press that regularly isn't the complete truth. For example, it's like having someone help me with my bench press and claiming it as my max, it's still assistance.

Yes but most people don't buy shirts unless they are fairly seasoned at benching.  There aren't teens walking around with bench shirts on claiming they bench 300, and for the most part there won't be because they don't have the stabilizers to even control the weight.  If someone is claiming a max they usually state whether it is equipped or raw, if not it is usually easy to tell. 

haha true but there are teens that walk around with belts on that they have no clue how to use..my school has like 15 belts, which could be nice although atm i don't really think i need to use one. Yet few if any there have any clue how to use them, kinda stupid.

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

"There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."

CarlosJesena


Okay, I'm not a body builder, but looking at this from a sports point of view... Doesn't that bench shirt thingy kinda defeat the purpose of why you train? I mean in a real situation that you're going to use the strength that is developed through bench pressing, you won't really have that bench shirt on...

Yes it does. If you aren't a serious competitor with alot of raw experience under your belt there is no point to look at a shirt. But it is a legit sport, so I completely understand if the person wants to do that, so i'm not hating on the shirt, just don't like the fact it is just to move more weight. I think like suits better than shirts..there are reasons other than lifting more weight to use a suit unlike a shirt. Don't ask me why, I just heard it from a powerlifter.

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

"There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."

I've asked many powerlifters as I have a few friends who compete on what the point of a suit was and most just say to add weight, if there is a protection reason, I can see that, but for the purpose of adding weight I just disagree with.

Powerlifting is a good sport, just like bodybuilding, but I agree more with natural competitions then roided competitions, working with just a will of steel and doing things all natural.

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Chalky Palms

MVP


Yeah, true about everyone using suits isn't not cheating.. I still think it's better to compete raw though, I mean saying "I bench pressed 300lbs" referring to a suit and not being able to bench press that regularly isn't the complete truth. For example, it's like having someone help me with my bench press and claiming it as my max, it's still assistance.

Yes but most people don't buy shirts unless they are fairly seasoned at benching.  There aren't teens walking around with bench shirts on claiming they bench 300, and for the most part there won't be because they don't have the stabilizers to even control the weight.  If someone is claiming a max they usually state whether it is equipped or raw, if not it is usually easy to tell. 

haha true but there are teens that walk around with belts on that they have no clue how to use..my school has like 15 belts, which could be nice although atm i don't really think i need to use one. Yet few if any there have any clue how to use them, kinda stupid.

So true. My old middle school had these things. We used them for like 1 day, then pretty much just gave them up. For that matter, how DO you use a belt lol

I guess some people have different goals. I've never been into 1,000 lb lifts though, at least not single lifts. I would rather bench 335, squat 405, deadlift, 455, do 50 unassisted pullups, do 500 straight sit ups, run 1 mile in less than 5 minutes (I've done this before) and do all of those at my height at 5'7" under 175lbs all at under 10% bodyfat, but that's just me personally. Being strong in the horizontal and vertical planes with high endurance is much more functional to me than just being able to deadlift 700lbs and not being able to walk a mile without passing out.

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MVP


I guess some people have different goals. I've never been into 1,000 lb lifts though, at least not single lifts. I would rather bench 335, squat 405, deadlift, 455, do 50 unassisted pullups, do 500 straight sit ups, run 1 mile in less than 5 minutes (I've done this before) and do all of those at my height at 5'7" under 175lbs all at under 10% bodyfat, but that's just me personally. Being strong in the horizontal and vertical planes with high endurance is much more functional to me than just being able to deadlift 700lbs and not being able to walk a mile without passing out.

Same right now, but once I get older I might be into competing, still don't think i'd do anything but raw.
Cre0tine I could explain to you how to use it, but i'm not exactly an expert on it..you can google it, it isn't that complicated if you get someone to show you though.

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

"There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."

Well there are more reasons to wear a suit than just to add more weight.  Look at the leverages when doing an exercise and where the suit supports the most.  It is actually somewhat a safety factor in squats.  In the bench the bar is supported by your chest, when you look at the squat there really isn't a lot of support in the movement, and the squat suit really helps to fix that when you are in the bottom position, different suits are also allowed depending on the organization you compete under, ipf allows a lot more powerful suit whereas a lot of smaller amature organizations only allow single ply suits.

You may try to knock wearing a suit but its what you compare it against, you don't compare a raw to a geared bench.  I think people just don't understand powerlifting, a lot of the lifters don't even train with a bench shirt on that often, they use things like boards and reverse bands to get a similar feal.
 
Edit: for belt users, surprisingly using a quality belt really can help support your squat and widen your core and support it.  It allows you to have something to push against with your inner muscles, when I squat with a belt I push out with my abdomen and try to get as much tightness throughout my body so that the whole movement is supported by every muscle in my body.  I do some squating and other movements without the belt, but I really don't think wearing a belt on heavy sets has a negative impact in fact I wouldn't even advise going really heavy without one.

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