Creatine = Steroids ?

Just to put this out on the table so I don't get a new A** hole ripped again, I have never confused creatine with any kind of anabolic steroid etc. I know that it's a natural body substance. In fact...When I first join this forum that's how I was informed about it. This DB.com board I think is very well researched by many of it's advanced members, previous to your joining. Not saying that I am one of them, I am just an enthusiastic born again newbie to bodybuilding. I have a lot to say, and if I am wrong I am very welcome and open to accepting constructive criticism about my posts...

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Just to put this out on the table so I don't get a new A** hole ripped again, I have never confused creatine with any kind of anabolic steroid etc. I know that it's a natural body substance. In fact...When I first join this forum that's how I was informed about it. This DB.com board I think is very well researched by many of it's advanced members, previous to your joining. Not saying that I am one of them, I am just an enthusiastic born again newbie to bodybuilding. I have a lot to say, and if I am wrong I am very welcome and open to accepting constructive criticism about my posts...

No it is not a natural body substance, in the human body it does not exist except when ingested from external sources, the body has no means to create creatine itself...

This is my constructive thought for today... STOP POSTING and start training...

No it is not a natural body substance, in the human body it does not exist except when ingested from external sources, the body has no means to create creatine itself...

Incorrect.

Most of the creatine in the diet comes from meat (an 8-ounce steak might have a gram), but about half of the body’s supply is manufactured in the liver and kidneys. On average, your muscles require about 2 grams of creatine a day (somewhat more for muscular people, a bit less for skinny folks), but more or less depending on your activity level and degree of muscle mass

Creatine is stored in muscle cells as phosphocreatine.

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I think all the creatine his body makes must have gone to his head.

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No it is not a natural body substance, in the human body it does not exist except when ingested from external sources, the body has no means to create creatine itself...

Incorrect.

Most of the creatine in the diet comes from meat (an 8-ounce steak might have a gram), but about half of the body’s supply is manufactured in the liver and kidneys. On average, your muscles require about 2 grams of creatine a day (somewhat more for muscular people, a bit less for skinny folks), but more or less depending on your activity level and degree of muscle mass

Creatine is stored in muscle cells as phosphocreatine.

Ok, maybe i am incorrect, actually, my belief was that none of the creatine is produced by your own body, but that any some of the creatine that enters your body will be turned into phospo (or rather creathine-phosphate) which is the biologically active form of creatine in humans...

I might be wrong there and i'll take your word for it if you are certain...

Ooo This is a good debate, now this is what it should be like. Creatine is a very interesting thing, everyone has something different to say about it. There's so much info.

phosphocreatine:
"An organic compound, C4H10N3O5P, found in muscle tissue and capable of storing and providing energy for muscular contraction. Also called creatine phosphate."

creatine:
" A nitrogenous organic acid, C4H9N3O2, that is found in the muscle tissue of vertebrates mainly in the form of phosphocreatine and supplies energy for muscle contraction."

Basically the same thing, but take a look here. Most of it's way over my head, but I get the general idea.

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From said link...

Creatine (Cr, Structure B) is produced naturally in the body and it is also brought into the body with the consumption of red meat. The body produces Cr in the liver and the kidneys, but it is not produced in the muscle tissues where it is most abundant.

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From said link...

Creatine (Cr, Structure B) is produced naturally in the body and it is also brought into the body with the consumption of red meat. The body produces Cr in the liver and the kidneys, but it is not produced in the muscle tissues where it is most abundant.

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Obviously i was wrong, i apologize for any misinformation and am happy it got corrected, Marc is correct, i am wrong...

Creatine phospahte is still the only active form of creatine though... creatine by itself cannot be used as fuel, that is why a combo of fast carbs AND electrolytes is the recommended way to ingest creatine...

I am trying out creatine-pyruvate, it feels different... sharper... if i do say so myelf, better... and no, it is not a Twinlab product so no bias there...

Damn, that hurt, someone hold me...

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phosphocreatine:
"An organic compound, C4H10N3O5P, found in muscle tissue and capable of storing and providing energy for muscular contraction. Also called creatine phosphate."

creatine:
" A nitrogenous organic acid, C4H9N3O2, that is found in the muscle tissue of vertebrates mainly in the form of phosphocreatine and supplies energy for muscle contraction."

Basically the same thing, but take a look here. Most of it's way over my head, but I get the general idea.

God I love Google...LOL

No, it is not the same thing, withot the phosphate bound to the creatine (not all of the creatine will create the bind) it is wasted, that is why 40g does not work better than 10 after the loading phase...

Yes, but can't the body convert creatine to phosphocreatine and back as needed?