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Confused about power lifting - 8/14/2006 7:36:15 PM
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I have become intrested in powerlifting mainly because i utilize most of the big lifts in my bodybuilding routine such as deadlift, squat, bench press, military press. What I don't understand is that if powerlifters are lifting heavy weights, why doesn't size just come with using these heavy weights? Why is the powerlifting about strength over size? The principal for getting bigger is to lift heavy. Can anyone explain
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RE: Confused about power lifting - 8/15/2006 1:12:11 AM
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anyone please?
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RE: Confused about power lifting - 8/15/2006 2:22:35 AM
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there are different repetion ranges for different goals a bodybuilder would use a rep range between 8-12 sometimes even up to 15 reps in a single set and this is to promote muscle growth, however in powerlifting the rep range doesnt usually exceed 5 or 6 at maximum this is to imply enough stress onto the muscle to force it to get stronger so next time it has to do the same excersise it has less difficulty next time round.
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RE: Confused about power lifting - 8/15/2006 8:00:27 AM
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Ado answered a big part of it...the body's responses to training are specific.
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I have become intrested in powerlifting mainly because i utilize most of the big lifts in my bodybuilding routine such as deadlift, squat, bench press, military press. What I don't understand is that if powerlifters are lifting heavy weights, why doesn't size just come with using these heavy weights?
Strength is a particular neural (nervous system) response...in which the body gets better at recruiting muscle fibers for max force production.
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Why is the powerlifting about strength over size?
The correlation between strength and muscle size is really very weak. More and larger muscle fibers does mean more fibers to recruit but it does not mean your nervous system is better at recruiting them.
Powerlifters are really focused on developing maximal strength and power and so they don't necessarily care to eat the way a bodybuilder would.
Bodybuilding is a very specialized sport. We are physique athletes. We specialize in developing optimal muscularity with minimal fat.
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The principal for getting bigger is to lift heavy. Can anyone explain
Not true actually. That is for getting stronger. The principal for getting a bigger EGO is to lift heavy. To build larger muscles you have to check the ego at the door. You need to drop the amount of weight you use and put more mental focus into better lifting.
However, cycling through strength training to raise your weights and work the muscle fibers optimally is certainly worth while!!!
Anyway..look at this post for other information related to set/rep ranges and other parts of optimal muscle development...
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/For_Gaining_Mass/m_111173/tm.htm
This probably busted a myth for you..the old "Heavy weights equal big muscles" myth.
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RE: Confused about power lifting - 8/15/2006 12:13:44 PM
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thanks, i appreciate the help
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RE: Confused about power lifting - 8/15/2006 1:16:31 PM
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Very true- But it's also true that size can come with lifting heavy- Many people say that the five rep range is more for building strength, but plenty of people have used the Max OT routine, which has you lifting in the four to six rep range, to put on a nice amount of mass too- Myself included. The definite difference between someone on Max OT and a powerlifter should be the diet- If your goal is to gain mass, you have to eat to support the growth of more muscle, plain and simple. If your goal is simply to increase strength, there's no real need to eat an overabundance of calories. As Dan said, strength can be developed as more of a mind/body connection in a sense- A neural response to recruit as many muscle fibers from different groups to work together in harmony to lift the most amount of weight possible- This sort of training won't necessarily promote muscle growth, especially if you're not feeding your body enough to grow. However, if you do this type of training, AND eat a healthy muscle building diet, you should see some nice muscle gain.
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RE: Confused about power lifting - 8/16/2006 11:28:45 PM
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Yeah, lifting to get stronger eventually does make you bigger....Ever watch world's strongest man contests? Not a one of them is big. But there are some very small ppl who can lift some incredible amounts of weight because they've established the powerlifter's muscle connection, which is as dan says, maximum muscle fiber recruitment.
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RE: Confused about power lifting - 8/17/2006 1:16:40 AM
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Yeah you can get bigger on a powerlifting routine, Dae is a powerlifter and hes gone up by 30lbs in the last 3-4 months hasnt he? last time i remember talking to him he was upset because he kept hanging around the 195-200lbs barrier and now hes 230lbs. big man, and he lifts powerlifting style.
There comes a point where a muscle has its maximum output, this can only be overcome by size, with a powerlifting routine your body will try to keep its size the same, while recruiting more muscle fibres to do work, however once your body has mastered this, it will start to try and put on weight to help the battle between you and the iron, the growth is usually (not always) slower than a simple and/or advanced bodybuilding physique routine, but hey, whats the point in being big if you cant lift big.
Id rather be big lifting tonnes of weight than big and lifting minimal amounts
as to powerlifters lifting crazy amounts of weight-sometimes there form is questionable, you can however powerlift with brilliant form, i never let my form suffer, apart from bench i could rack up my squat and deads by a good 50lbs each-but my form would be abysmal, and could easily hurt myself, just because youre powerlifting doesnt mean you have to lift heavy-at the start at least, just go with good form with the heaviest weight-you will soon end up lifting a lot.
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