Conflicting views?!

I hear people say do 1-2 muscle groups per day.

But then when you do squats or deadlifts, you're activating more than 2 muscle groups.

Is it safe to say that the 1-2 muscle groups per day applies with the exception of fullbody exercises like squats and deads?

No its just split routines suck, because of your stated contradictions, about 3 years ago i was thinking the same as you as well, how im supposed to fit deadlifts in when all my other muscles are sore from the other splits.

The answer is split routines arent really that good for training, they work, yes, but the body works as a whole, not in pieces, so its best to work it as a whole.

Its not that I think they suck.

I just think that for the majority of the lifting population, full body routines are superior and essential.

fullbody should be used from beginner ---> advanced. and used accordingly then. The biggest thing I think people need to keep is the big compound exercises.

twistedlink


No its just split routines suck, because of your stated contradictions, about 3 years ago i was thinking the same as you as well, how im supposed to fit deadlifts in when all my other muscles are sore from the other splits.

The answer is split routines arent really that good for training, they work, yes, but the body works as a whole, not in pieces, so its best to work it as a whole.

current 5rm On the texas method
Squat:340
Deadlift:380
Bench:265

currently 233 lb's
goal is eventually a lean 220 play some kind of pro football
Target 40yd time: 4.5

I agree with you guys. But I've been doin full body for well over a year..maybe even 2 and I recently switched. I had good gains from the full body but I felt I needed to go the gym more then 3 times a week but I gained without a doubt but it took time.

I've recently changed to a split to switch things up... and I've noticed that since a few weeks ago when I started, I've seen noticable gains it would've normally took months to get from a full body.

Not saying its better but its working for me now after doing full body for so long. Maybe its just that my body got use to the full body routines I was doing for a while and the change I'm doing now is why I grew.

Currently Bulking Big Time:

Started 9-7 @ 147 lbs

Goal - To not stop bulking until spring and gain at least 3 lbs a month

I will answer this and try to be as simple as it gets.

It does not matter if you work split or full body workouts. Your body is working with what you ask him to.
The most important thing in bodybuilding is your diet. Eat just as you should and whatever you do will have a result.

I personnaly cannot work a full body because I am a hockey player and I need to focus on certain thing. This is why I split my routine. I could work with a fullbody routines but I don't feel the need to switch something that has worked for years with me.

You might want to do full body routines because you want all your muscles to be worked in the same workouts and it's all good.

Again, the most important aspect of bodybuilding is the DIET.

(Take into consideration that I don't workout to become huge and muscular, I just want to be more massive, stronger and faster. Muscles are just a bonus for my girlfriend)

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

I agree that the training is relative to the persons goals, needs ect.
I like splits, they worked very well for me but I used advanced 6 day splits still hitting the muscles twice per week with compound and isolated exercises but that is what worked for me to both balance some muscle gains for competition as well as the athletisism I need for the competition round involving strength etc.  I had to do the training for injury prevention and also to apply my various needs relating to strength and gymnastics.
I have used both all body and splits in the past 20 years though......

All body is great too but I like to apply some logic to it with the choices of exercises, orders, days done etc, making sure to focus on my or my clients goals.

As for Deads, there are SL and the knees bent version, I see it as SL being ham dominant vs the bent knee version being low back dominant so I put those in those days and usually did legs with shoulders, back with biceps and abs but if doing all body I would def have both squats and regular deads some days doing them same day and some days doing them different days that week, again depending on my needs at the time, off season, on season etc.  I don't believe in a right or wrong for the most part, but more in relative to.....I think splits and all bodies have positive uses for the right person/situation/needs.

As Nic said, overall, if you are working on diet, doing new and different things with exercise, you will see results.  split, all body..... these exercises are excellent and will help you regardless as long as you do them with some good form etc.
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The most important thing is the diet, but thats about all that is really true in your post.

Being a hockey player, of all things you should be on a full body routine for athletic strength and functional strength.

There are very few isolations that will do anything for you in sports. your body does not perform in isolations, ESPECIALLY sports...you should know this.

Nic


I will answer this and try to be as simple as it gets.

It does not matter if you work split or full body workouts. Your body is working with what you ask him to.
The most important thing in bodybuilding is your diet. Eat just as you should and whatever you do will have a result.

I personnaly cannot work a full body because I am a hockey player and I need to focus on certain thing. This is why I split my routine. I could work with a fullbody routines but I don't feel the need to switch something that has worked for years with me.

You might want to do full body routines because you want all your muscles to be worked in the same workouts and it's all good.

Again, the most important aspect of bodybuilding is the DIET.

(Take into consideration that I don't workout to become huge and muscular, I just want to be more massive, stronger and faster. Muscles are just a bonus for my girlfriend)

current 5rm On the texas method
Squat:340
Deadlift:380
Bench:265

currently 233 lb's
goal is eventually a lean 220 play some kind of pro football
Target 40yd time: 4.5

Nic


I will answer this and try to be as simple as it gets.

It does not matter if you work split or full body workouts. Your body is working with what you ask him to.
The most important thing in bodybuilding is your diet. Eat just as you should and whatever you do will have a result.

I personnaly cannot work a full body because I am a hockey player and I need to focus on certain thing. This is why I split my routine. I could work with a fullbody routines but I don't feel the need to switch something that has worked for years with me.

You might want to do full body routines because you want all your muscles to be worked in the same workouts and it's all good.

Again, the most important aspect of bodybuilding is the DIET.

(Take into consideration that I don't workout to become huge and muscular, I just want to be more massive, stronger and faster. Muscles are just a bonus for my girlfriend)

Nice ..I play hockey too been playin my whole life. What position you play?

Currently Bulking Big Time:

Started 9-7 @ 147 lbs

Goal - To not stop bulking until spring and gain at least 3 lbs a month

I told you before I don't like fullbody routines I am an oldtimer who like split routines.
Also I don't see the point why I should change something that works.
If it ain't broken don't fix it.

I am a right wing player, and you ?

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

That's right Nic.

If something works beautifully, why change it? But always remember to strive to go harder and more intense than the previous session so your body doesn't adapt, if it adapts, you won't get results.

Generally full-body routines are more fun, more efficient and gets results faster, but if you're getting results on a split program, don't change it, just make sure every muscle group is getting stimulated equally, actually more legs than anything else, but pushes and pulls should be equal.

Nic


I told you before I don't like fullbody routines I am an oldtimer who like split routines.
Also I don't see the point why I should change something that works.
If it ain't broken don't fix it.

I am a right wing player, and you ?

I'm a center. I only play 2 sports hockey and football. Cornerback for football and center for hockey..but I'm better at hockey. I'm guessing you play for college right? or in a league?

Currently Bulking Big Time:

Started 9-7 @ 147 lbs

Goal - To not stop bulking until spring and gain at least 3 lbs a month

You sound like someone who is just stubborn. :P

My biggest disagreement was with the fact fullbody routines are so much better for sports performance, period. I dont really think you can argue that one.

If you have the years and are at the point of where adding isolations benefit you, and you need them...thats great, but for the most part nearly everyone would see much better results with full body with compounds. especially for sports and functional strength.

Nic


I told you before I don't like fullbody routines I am an oldtimer who like split routines.
Also I don't see the point why I should change something that works.
If it ain't broken don't fix it.

I am a right wing player, and you ?

current 5rm On the texas method
Squat:340
Deadlift:380
Bench:265

currently 233 lb's
goal is eventually a lean 220 play some kind of pro football
Target 40yd time: 4.5

Nm0ney34


You sound like someone who is just stubborn. :P

My biggest disagreement was with the fact fullbody routines are so much better for sports performance, period. I dont really think you can argue that one.

If you have the years and are at the point of where adding isolations benefit you, and you need them...thats great, but for the most part nearly everyone would see much better results with full body with compounds. especially for sports and functional strength.

Nic


I told you before I don't like fullbody routines I am an oldtimer who like split routines.
Also I don't see the point why I should change something that works.
If it ain't broken don't fix it.

I am a right wing player, and you ?

Each to his own but I completely agree with you. Not as passionately but definitely agree 100%.

As an almost-certified PT, I'm gonna be giving 90% of my clients full-body routines, and the other 10% would be upper/lower splits, unless you count that as full-body as well.

I've been taught all the benefits of full-body routines compared to split routines for the general population.

yeah its not that I hate split routines, I think they have their place. I also think that i dunno 95% of the lifting population would happen to see much better results from a compound oriented full body type routine.

Thats body building, my views on sports training is 100% full body with compounds. Like I said before doing squats and deadlifts are going to benefit you greatly in any sport compared to doing leg press, and leg curls/extensions. In sports you dont move like that, thats not how you generate power...why would you train like that?

Further more...I whole heartedly believe the whole split bonanza has to do with the rise of body building back in the day, and the use of steroids. These guys juicing benefited from training like this, so people only took it is hey if I train with splits I will get just like this...and this has spilled over and covered the population. The era of nautillus and machines certainly did not help this either.

before all the hype and steroids, there were big compound movement lifts...and they did just fine.

That being said, you can certainly see results with whatever you choose given your diet is correct...because no matter what your goals are the fuel (or lack therof) that you put in your body is essentially more important. It is just my observasion, belief and understanding that you will make much more optimal gains on a full body with compound movements if you are a beginner up until you are an advanced lifter...and even then you can keep your full body routine and add in some extra isolations.

current 5rm On the texas method
Squat:340
Deadlift:380
Bench:265

currently 233 lb's
goal is eventually a lean 220 play some kind of pro football
Target 40yd time: 4.5

You sound like someone who is just stubborn. :P

hell ya I am stubborn !!
I don't like full body routines for me, bottom line.

You are right, so am I, who gives a crap anyways, you do what you do, I do what I do and we see results, ain't that funny ?

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.