Carbs on a cut

I am 2 weeks into my cut down to 6% bf ( from 10%) and I have been taking in 1-1.5 grams protein per lb, lots of fiberous carbs through fruits and vegetables PWO, EFAs and BCAAs, and few complex carbs- trying to take them in only when I am using them. (This includes a bowl of oatmeal in the morning and thats about it.) <-- Herein lies my "problem"- is a bowl of oatmeal in the morning not enough complex carbs for me to be eating on my cut? Should I be eating complex carbs PWO or find myself some liquid carbs or something?

I am not on ketosis or anything fancy just trying to use my knowledge to tweak my diet. This is the only problem I ran into so I hope someone can help me out!

Thanks

SpartaWrestler


I am 2 weeks into my cut down to 6% bf ( from 10%) and I have been taking in 1-1.5 grams protein per lb, lots of fiberous carbs through fruits and vegetables PWO, EFAs and BCAAs, and few complex carbs- trying to take them in only when I am using them. (This includes a bowl of oatmeal in the morning and thats about it.) <-- Herein lies my "problem"- is a bowl of oatmeal in the morning not enough complex carbs for me to be eating on my cut? Should I be eating complex carbs PWO or find myself some liquid carbs or something?

I am not on ketosis or anything fancy just trying to use my knowledge to tweak my diet. This is the only problem I ran into so I hope someone can help me out!

Thanks

Theres no certain amount of carbs youre supposed to be getting on a cut.  You just need a caloric deficit...

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Yes, but I mean in terms of maintaining my energy levels. I don't want to be doing something wrong by having so few carbs.

you'll get different answers depending on who you ask. When I was cutting I kept carbs to about 70-100 and got nearly all of them in the morning-afternoon. I tried to eat none at night unless they were fibrous carbs like veggies.

RS was/is on keto, might be something you want to look into.

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Yeah, I hesitate to give cutting advice alot if it doesnt have to do with keto because IMO thats the only way to cut.  Why worry about low energy levels from low-medium carbs and a caloric deficit?  Just switch your metabolism from carb burning to fat burning with keto.  Thats the way I see it because I have waay more energy while cutting than I do when Im bulking, with the insulin spikes, crashes, and carb comas.

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weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

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Well, adding a boiled sweet potato to my PWO meal won't hurt my fat loss will it? Today at the gym I felt a little less energetic and noticed a slight strength and endurance drop, so I'm thinking of adding some carbs to my diet.

I'll also check out your thread on keto RS, I hear it's a good read.

well from the way i understand it

carbs = insulin

insulin = body has a much harder time burning fat if at all when insulin is present

soooo the less insulin = the more opportunities for fat loss.

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While this is true, carbohydrates also replenish glycogen storage in muscle tissue and the liver. It is when we ingest more carbohydrates then we expend in the form of energy that our body begins to store them as fat. Our body has two sources for energy: fat and carbs, protein is strictly building and repair and provides little energy. My fat intake is low because I am not on ketosis, thus my only other source of energy is complex carbohydrates. '

Carbohydrates are best consumed upon waking, before workout and after to replenish the bodies glycogen storage. Minimal carbs/ fiberous carbs are consumed when not active as they will be stored if they are not utilized.

Carbohydrate insulin spiking is only caused by high- GI carbs ( complex carbs) but can be used to a bodybuilders advantage if these complex carbs are consumed PWO to rush needed nutrients to the body.

Well, I pretty much just answered my own question I suppose...

On that note I will be adding a sweet potato or rice to my lunch and a baked potato post workout.

Keto diet or just low carb, getting more good fats instead of carbs just makes health sense.  Remember, there are Essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, but NO essential carbs.
I am not a big believer in people that say they need to eat to get energy.  This may just be what they are used to and it is probably placebo effect.  I find I have more energy during the day when I would follow an Intermitant Fasting system such as the Warrior Diet plan.  But this may just be me.

Well, I don't feel that the amount of carbs I would be taking in and their timing will do me any harm or slow my progress in any way.

I agree as far as healthy fats go, I take EFAs every day. I also take a BCAA supplement.

However, as far as energy goes, here is where my opinion, or maybe my body differs. I find that when I limit carbs I lose some strength and endurance in my workouts, I simply burn out much quicker without them.

SpartaWrestler


Well, I don't feel that the amount of carbs I would be taking in and their timing will do me any harm or slow my progress in any way.

I agree as far as healthy fats go, I take EFAs every day. I also take a BCAA supplement.

However, as far as energy goes, here is where my opinion, or maybe my body differs. I find that when I limit carbs I lose some strength and endurance in my workouts, I simply burn out much quicker without them.

This is simply because your body is used to a carbohydrate metabolism, when you switch to keto, fat becomes the main source of energy as ketones (not present in carbohydrate metabolism) run through your blood.  It changes everything.

For me its the opposite.  If I eat a heavy carb meal, or when I carb load and dont take in fats, suddenly Im a slug.  Working out would be impossible for me after eating carbs.

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weight: 206

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I don't understand something.  This whole keto thing makes perfect sense to me, but many people have sucessfully cut and got ripped from other diets - low carb diets, moderate carb diets, carb cycling diets, etc.....

I'm not going to get into the specific diets, but I know for sure that keto is not the only way to cut.  While it does seem to be an excellent way to cut fat, and I can not argue with results, I have seen people get shredded from a simple deficit and a 50/30/20 split (carb/protien/fat), or something like that.

So.....that leads to the big question....what the f*** is going on here? 

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I don't understand something.  This whole keto thing makes perfect sense to me, but many people have sucessfully cut and got ripped from other diets - low carb diets, moderate carb diets, carb cycling diets, etc.....

I'm not going to get into the specific diets, but I know for sure that keto is not the only way to cut.  While it does seem to be an excellent way to cut fat, and I can not argue with results, I have seen people get shredded from a simple deficit and a 50/30/20 split (carb/protien/fat), or something like that.

So.....that leads to the big question....what the f*** is going on here? 

lol what?

I never said you cant cut other ways.  Its just not as efficient.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

Well, keto is not the be all end all of the cutting world, although it is a top contender. In RS mind it's top dog cause he has seen some awesome results with it. However, everyone's body works differently and that is why some diets work best for others.

Low carb, moderate carb and carb-cycling are all conscious efforts to change your eating habits for the better, all of these will show results as will keto, there is no "one diet to rule them all" just do what works for your body.

The science is there to support all of these diets, it's just up to you to experiment and find what works for your body.

Never tried keto so can't comment but might be that achieveable to someone with a busy life.

personally when I've cut in the past I've tried to keep all my carbs for pre and post workout, however the OP is down to 6% bf so perhaps some other tricks may be needed!

TBH 6% bf would be extremely difficult to maintain and have a life!

To the OP are u sure your 6%, are u compeating in a show soon?