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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:42 PM
Sorry, I meant 1/2 to 2 pounds a week!
 
.66 lbs is a reasonable gain!
 
On a strength routine it is a great gain!
 

Dan, just wondering if someone went for a strength training routine, and increased their calorie intake, where would this additional calories be used for, as you mentioned that there would be a limited amount of muscle being built.

 
The body is very complex.  When you eat more food and you train hard, sometimes the body responds by BURNING the extra food...meaning it upregulates the metabolism!  This little trick sometimes makes gaining mass hard for all of us.
 
When you train in a power/strength manner, the post workout caloric expenditure is much more than was previously understood.  However if you do not eat enough, naturally much of this does not happen or some fat and some muscle (usually mostly muscle in this case) is used for the deficit.
 

So are telling me if someone's total went from 800 to 1300, and they weren't eating for size, the size of their muscles would not increase at all? (Not necessarily weight, mind you.) I find that hard to believe.

I know.  It has taken us a while to understand the relationship.  Look at the strongest lifters in the world.  Big men, high bodyfat % on many...
 
THe body does its best to keep a balance.
 
I did not say there is NO muscle gain, rather that it is minimal.
 
I simply said that the idea that increase in muscle size was automatically tied to increase in strength or increase in strength was automatically tied to increase in muscle size was incorrect.
 
Otherwise the strongest people in the world would have the most muscle!
 
And the biggest bodybuilde4rs would be the strongest...neither of which is absoutely true!
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 3:31 AM
dan i think was vdk was asking was if your doing a strength training routine and have a calorie excess does the extra calories go to muscle building or fat since you said earlier that not that much muscle would be built on the strength training routine. 
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 7:57 AM

The body is very complex.  When you eat more food and you train hard, sometimes the body responds by BURNING the extra food...meaning it upregulates the metabolism! 

The simplified answer is..the body either burns it or stores it.
 
If it stores it, it is either fat or muscle. 
The stimulus for hypertrophy in strength training is not as significant as the stimulus in a specific hypertrophy routine would be.
Accumulation of muscle is based on responses to a specific training regimen and on the unique, specific combination of fiber types you posses, as well as other obvious factors like rest, lifestyle, etc.
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 1:02 PM
alright that makes sense,

oh and one last thing i forgot to ask you about, in each workout theres assistance sets to be done, i was wondering if..
1. i could do the curls and tricep extensions that are set to be done on friday on wednesday because i only have 45 min. at the gym and i dont think i could fit those in along with everything else, i dont see why doing that would be a problem but im jw

2. are these assistance sets all supposed to be to failure with the set amount of reps?


- sry about the ridiculous amounts of questions about this program but i have like OCD when it comes to stuff like that
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 3:04 PM
Don't know about the assists.
 
Have to look over the one you are reading to be sure.
 
If you need to re-arrange, just be sure not to overdo it on one day.
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 5:11 PM
o well heres the one i was reading if your interested

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 5:17 PM

ORIGINAL: danmirage
I know.  It has taken us a while to understand the relationship.  Look at the strongest lifters in the world.  Big men, high bodyfat % on many...

THe body does its best to keep a balance.

I did not say there is NO muscle gain, rather that it is minimal.

I simply said that the idea that increase in muscle size was automatically tied to increase in strength or increase in strength was automatically tied to increase in muscle size was incorrect.

Otherwise the strongest people in the world would have the most muscle!

And the biggest bodybuilde4rs would be the strongest...neither of which is absoutely true!

I see what you mean there. I wasn't reading deep enough into what you originally said. Thanks for not biting my head off like people on most boards would.

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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 5:21 PM
lol but at the same time u cant really get bigger without gaining strength in some way because u need to give ur body a progressing stimulus
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 6:23 PM

lol but at the same time u cant really get bigger without gaining strength in some way because u need to give ur body a progressing stimulus

 
You actually CAN get bigger without getting stronger (per say)!!
 
The progression does not have to be increased weight...in fact, increased weight and increased volume are probably the top troublemakers!
 
There are 100s of ways to get progression and those are just two!!!!
 
While they tend to be the two most familiar, they are by no means the most effective!
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 6:35 PM

oh and one last thing i forgot to ask you about, in each workout theres assistance sets to be done, i was wondering if..

I have never heard of "additional exercises" called assistance sets...very interesting.


1. i could do the curls and tricep extensions that are set to be done on friday on wednesday because i only have 45 min. at the gym and i dont think i could fit those in along with everything else, i dont see why doing that would be a problem but im jw

I don't see a big issue here


2. are these assistance sets all supposed to be to failure with the set amount of reps?

For arms choose a single biceps and triceps exercise and perform them at the end once per week for 3 sets of whatever - your arms will take a beating from all the pulling and pressing anyway.
 
Just vary it.  3x8  3x10  3x12  3x5
 
Depending on how you feel.  If you feel like a brute...3x5..if you feel like you want to get pumped...3x12...
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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 6:55 PM
Okay, just follow the site for guidance on assistance. you're not supposed to screw around with it lol.

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RE: Bill starrs 5x5 - Friday, February 02, 2007 7:00 PM

ORIGINAL: Master Of Puppets

Okay, just follow the site for guidance on assistance. you're not supposed to screw around with it lol.

MOP


lol well thats why im wondering, because the assistance sets are not specified in the site all it says is to do them at the end of the workout but i wasnt sure about the rest
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