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Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/26/2003 8:10:01 AM
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linarski
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The jingle is about ZMA which is a mineral formula containing Zinc Magnesium and vitamin B6.
Why such a big payoff from two somewhat common minerals? Correcting any nutritional deficiency tends to deliver impressive results, and male athletes are typically lacking in zinc and magnesium. In a study, published in the International Journal of Sports Medicine, serum zinc levels were â€significantly below the normal range†in 23% of male athletes. That translate as bad news for muscle recovery, growth and even libido, as being low in zinc can cause declines in both testosterone and androgen receptors. Magnesium is another critical performance enhancer too, in a second USDA study, 250 milligrams a day improved both leg power and muscle recovery.
According to L.R. BRILLA AND VICTOR CONTE and their published study " Effects of a Novel Zinc-Magnesium Formulation on Hormones and Strength." JEPonline, 3(4): 26-36, 2000, by taking 2-3 caps of ZMA 1hour prior bed time, you can boost the levels of two of your body’s strongest muscle-building hormones, testosterone and insulin- like growth factor 1, improving performance, recovery and even sex drive !
And the best for last:
IT WORKS !
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/26/2003 9:26:36 AM
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Actually, no, it does not work.
Those studies are based on individuals who are zinc deficient. Test and other hormone levels remain unaffected in normal individuals.
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/26/2003 11:42:09 AM
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Definiitely does not work.
I had a friend who was on it for quite some time- At first, he was stating the same kind of stuff about the test results and how it works, but after a while, he sorta shut up about it- Months later, he was complaining about a total lack of results (aside from his normal gains, anyway.)
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/27/2003 11:46:25 AM
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I took ZMA last year and not only did I see no significant results but it sometimes gave me a headache. I don' t know why.
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/27/2003 7:10:57 PM
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I always get a headache when I waste money.
Its fairly common.
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 8:20:17 AM
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First of all lets go thru the " work - don' t work" statements.
Twin Peak I' m sure you know that " only drugs... work like drugs" and that a supplement is exactly what it says it is ... A Supplement !
Yes ofcourse someone will see the difference bettre if he is deficient in one or more ingredients of the supplement. The ironic side of the story is that serius athletes who are training hard are most of the times deficient in Zinc or Magnesium. The reasons for this are many.
Waste of money ? Yes, and it gives a headache too if I think or expect to see one night magical results (hey guys common, we are talking about a mineral supplement here and not about ecstasy...!!!)
To cpl: Did your friend blame ZMA for total lack of results after months ???
THAT' S A GOOD ONE !!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 8:35:32 AM
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Hey Twin Peak are you sure that hormone levels remain unaffected in normal individuals who go the gym (lets say: every other day) ???????
Normal individuals usually don' t take sophisticated supplements so they have more reasons to become deficient in minerals protein etc, especially if they start to visit their local gym 2-3 times a week. That will absolutelly affect negative their hormonal production.
Twin Peak, because Avant Labs don' t sell ZMA doesn' t mean that the stuff doesn' t work....
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 8:40:08 AM
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You are neither reading, nor writing carefully.
First, CPL said that the friend saw no results above and beyond that which he otherwise would.
Second, you stated, or quoted a statement, that test levels rise with supplementing ZMA. Plain and simply the studies are flawed, and this is not true for the VAST majority of people. Tons of user feedback suggests this is true, as well.
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 9:04:08 AM
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quote:
Hey Twin Peak are you sure that hormone levels remain unaffected in normal individuals who go the gym (lets say: every other day) ???????
Normal individuals usually don' t take sophisticated supplements so they have more reasons to become deficient in minerals protein etc, especially if they start to visit their local gym 2-3 times a week. That will absolutelly affect negative their hormonal production.
Twin Peak, because Avant Labs don' t sell ZMA doesn' t mean that the stuff doesn' t work....
AH, I must have missed this nice friendly post. I apologize.
Avant Labs doesn' t sell a lot of products, do I bash them all? Of course not. Indeed if you had a clue, you' d note that 99% of my advice here is related to products and supplements that are not made, sold, designed by, or otherwise affiliated with myself or Avant Labs. So your feeble attempt at a jab, is just that, feeble.
Now, please provide some evidence that a healthy weight training individual is deficient in zinc.
Thank you.
< Message edited by Twin Peak -- 7/28/2003 9:09:01 AM >
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 2:46:11 PM
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Linarski, I was convinced that this stuff didn' t work when I saw that it had no effect on my friend, who has been lifting hard and smart for years- However, I have to admit I am rethinking my position based on your scientific and knowledgeable summary of my friend' s problem- HHHAAHAHAHAHA, I think it was- I never thought of that. Very insightful vision into the mechanics of human biology and supplements. I think I have a much better understanding of the situation now, thanks.
My personal opinion of this thread is that it was started by a troll, or perhaps someone trying to sell this stuff without the necessary information to back up the claimed results- I' m sorry to reply in this way, I don' t want to be negative on a site where I have met nothing but helpful and knowledgeable people.
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 3:01:54 PM
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CPL, don' t think that wasn' t discussed.
I tend to think he is merely just a Human Internet Virus.
Do you know the reference?
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 3:45:54 PM
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Wow, I think it is safed to say linarski was dominated in that argument... ouch.
Very amusing though.
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 3:55:57 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: TXAggie
Wow, I think it is safed to say linarski was dominated in that argument... ouch.
Very amusing though.
Yeah, but I am still deeply wounded at the dig on my credibility and verasity.
Oh the pain.
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RE: Bigger Muscles while you sleep !!! - 7/28/2003 4:46:10 PM
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Twin Peak, I saw your response up there- Along with everyone else' s, it' s great to see a unified front against Henry the Fourth. It' s a lot like STD' s, dealing with trolls- Being educated is the best way to deal with them. I think it' s safe to say linarski' s been owned on this thread.
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