Beyond Science - Bench Press

ORIGINAL: grantoiz

IIB, what would your opinion on me starting a cycle of epistane instead of d-bol? worth it?

I think it would be worth it.. **** I used anadrol for 3 weeks and did not see the kinds of lean gains I am getting now or the insane strength increases.. watch me start repping 275 I swear I can do it now. Its only been a week since I could barely do it twice.



Seriously I think steroids are a waste of money.. thats just my personal opinion.. all the good **** that you could get was made in the US... Now thats pretty much gone out the window with all these big busts.. you used Thai pink dianabols.. I have used them too.. You might gain 8 - 10lbs off them and bloat alot.. the strength increases go away fast.. 40% of the gains you keep. With the PH's you keep 80% from what I am hearing.. But I don't know yet because I have not stopped.. I JUST FINISHED WEEK 2!!! its freaking insane man.. I am already bigger then i was when I was on an AAS cycle "although it was a cheap one" I am still lean too..


Honestly bro.. PH's in my opinion are far better then the anabolics out there... Most of the **** over seas is freaking cheap and if you want 20 - 30lbs in gains you have to get the expensive stuff could cost you 600 - 800$ is that worth it? I think taking a PH for only 4 weeks gaining 14lbs and only spending 75 - 80$ is worth it..


Thats just my opinion.

flat bench:
135 x 30 < -- forgot to add that. 225 x 5
275 x 4
225 x 7
225 x 5
 
I honestly knew I could do 275 x 4.. I think I can do even more now too.... It did not feel that heavy anymore...  when i was doing 225 is felt insane... on one set I did quick reps to my chest and then 3 quarters of the way up for 7 reps..  I could honestly probably hit 15  reps on 225 right now.. Maybe even more..
 
I honestly feel like superman right now..  On saturday I am shooting for 275 x 5... Once I rep 275 x 5 I will then shoot for 295 x 2..   I will work that into 295 x 5 and that may be as far as I make it on this epistane cycle..   Not sure what my max will be.. my guess is 325.. maybe 335.. Not to sure..

haha nice one you sound dead excited.. ive ordered my epistane, next day delivery.

http://uk.youtube.com/user/franco18grant

deadlifts : 510 lbs
bench press :345 lbs
militery press : 235 lbs

bw: 204

bro I am hell of excited... I am finally just about to that level I wanted to be too.. I would love to rep 295 x 5... I mean **** thats only 5lbs from 300.. Got to work on my deadlifts again this weekend though.. My bench is surpassing everything except my triceps and bicep curls.. I curl 55lb dumbells and my skull crushers standing behind the neck is at 110 - 120lb ez bars. I can probably do more then that I will keep increasing my numbers.. Shoulder press is not to bad either.. my incline dumbells are 90's and my shoulder press is 70's - 75's.

Basically my upper body is taking off and my lower body although it is a good size now needs to be much stronger.. I still did not get my knees checked.. I have been getting ready for a wedding this weekend and I just have so much to do.. My legs feel much much better though.


Your going to love epistane.. I recommend it! TrenX is a really good stack with it if you can find TrenXtreme..

yeah no luck in finding tren extreme, ive found some trenadrol i persume this is the same stuff?

http://uk.youtube.com/user/franco18grant

deadlifts : 510 lbs
bench press :345 lbs
militery press : 235 lbs

bw: 204

ORIGINAL: grantoiz

yeah no luck in finding tren extreme, ive found some trenadrol i persume this is the same stuff?

Its not dude don't take it. I got trenadrol just realized its methylated so I stacked 2 methylated compounds ontop of each other.. that explains the gyno. Anyways yeah don't do that just run the epistane and find some trenXtreme.

I actually messed up on this cycle.. so anyways ill be running 40mg per day for 2 more weeks then switching over to the trenadrol and running that for 1 week. That will be the end of my cycle.. so three weeks and I am done.

yh ive got the epitane on the way, but the people from royal mail on are bloody strike... i paid for next day delivery aswell so thats wank.
 
im not too bothered at the moment had quite a good week. felt strong,,,but also fat.

http://uk.youtube.com/user/franco18grant

deadlifts : 510 lbs
bench press :345 lbs
militery press : 235 lbs

bw: 204

Flat Bench:
 
135 x 20
225 x 10
275 x 4
295 x 1
 
 
I think I could have done better today... I am not use to working out this early.. it was only 8:00 am when I went to the gym and I had 2 drinks last night pretty strong ones.. I know I am full of excuses this morning but seriously.. I can do more 225 barely feels like there is weight on the bar.

Yesterdays deadlifts were not too bad..
 
225 x 10
275 x 5
275 x 5
275 x 5
 
I will stay at 275 and then bump it up to 295 in a couple weeks.   Then Ill shoot for 315 after that and keep that as my normal rep range for a while.
 
 
okay so I still did not hit 275 x 5...  I think I am going to attempt it again on monday.    On my chest day I am curiouse to see how much I can do on dumbell press..  maybe 110lb dumbells now?  that would be a nice x5.. I may attempt 115 x 5  on my chest day...

as for my scale weight I checked it a couple days ago said I am 203lbs which is strange...   a few days ago I was 208 but I also was taking to many methyl chemicals and bloated / got gyno.   The Nolva really flushed me.. On the bright side I am stronger and my waist line is a little smaller 31 inches.  So not bad.. not bad at all..  If I gain another 4lbs ill be at 207lbs end of the epi cycle and still lean!  <-- thats the cool part.    At the end of the cycle ill get a tan and see how my definition looks.    I will maintain the weight for 2 months and then run another epistane cycle or a trenXtreme + mass tabs cycle.   Gain another 10lbs and that will put me around 215 - 217.    So start off the year of 2008 weighing in at close to 220lbs.    By the end of 2008 I would like to hit 230lbs maybe 228 or 225 clean bulked.   Then in 2009 mid year shoot for 235lbs putting me 5 lbs under goal weight..  Attempt to clean bulk it to 240lbs and by 2010 ill be sitting at goal weight.    So I am looking at another 3 years.. Giving me a total of 4 years of seriouse training. 

Flat Bench:
135 x 25
225 x 5
275 x 3
225 x 8
 
 
Got to lay off on the bench atleast until friday.  Can feel stress on my shoulders so I don't want to push it too hard.  If I am right I will fully recover from the last 2 bench days and at the end of the week my strength should rise.. I will change up the weight I am shooting for 255 x 5 then 265 x 5   Then ill try 275 x 5 another time when I have 265 x 5 down pretty well. 
 
135 x 20
205 x 10
255 x 5
265 x 5 
 
Thats what I will shoot for next work out.
 

finally  a chest day
 
 
Flat Bench:
 
135 x 20
205 x 10
255 x 6

damnit man...  I checked my weight I am 201lbs...  So I actually went down in weight but I am stronger and my chest deltoids and back are way larger..  My waist line is smaller 31inches.. But man...  It's wierd because people say I am bigger...    I guess the scale truly is nothing but a number.   I have been doing alot of cardio though..   If I could get my waist down to 29 inches and be around 220lbs I would be very very happy..  Thats a future goal that I want to accomplish fairly soon... 
 
I am going through a tad bit of a depression right now with a struggle to make some more doe.. also my company in going down I see more lay offs coming and I think ill be one to be let go.. I made alot of mistakes during the change over at work after lay offs...    It's a hard time in my life right now.. I sent out a resume to some jobs I qualify for to make 10k more per year.. that would be nice..   I have to cross my fingers and hope I get an interview..  I am very stressed at work now.  
 
Man... Stuck at 200lbs and struggling to hold my job..  Thank god I am still only 23 years old..   Sometimes I feel like I am never going to be good enough,  it's pretty much what keeps me going.   One thing I can say is I have totally changed from living in the ghetto doing drugs pulling guns on people and struggling to survive on my own <-- I almost forgot about all of this.. Sometimes it's easy to forget our past..   Pretty much everyone told me I would never amount to anything..  I really have to do more though. 
 
I would say the only thing I have to really worry about right now is not this job thing but if there is a god would he forgive me for all the bad things I have done when I was younger.   
 
 
 
 
Okay I am done rambling now,  Time to go to bed.

weight is just a number, youve been doing awesome...i dont know what else a 143 lber can tell you about weight haha, but itll come...im getting frustrated with my weight, since upping calories and carbs ive gained like a lb in a few weeks but like you said, look like im bigger than before, so weight is definitely odd.
 
the job thing is rough...but damn, youre right that youve come a long way with everything. it sounds like youve totally turned your life around, great job. as easy as it is to forget how far youve come, its equally as easy for me to take for granted that i didnt have to grow up in an environment where i had to do stuff like that to get by.
 
im only 20 and a sophomore in college, so im still foreign to the full time job for a living, but i know when i get out of college with a degree in psychology and philosophy that ill probably be in an equally as stressful situation, since what im majoring in isnt very applicablt without more schooling...maybe i am naive, but things seem to work out. i mean, maybe you wont get rich, but youll find a reliable job. if i was in ur situation i would be stressed like hell too, but life goes on. whatever youve done in the past is history, what u r doing in the present is what really matters, and youve changed everything for the better, youve been very helpful on here, good job again. stick with it and itll work out.

bulking/strength training

soon to begin bill starr's 5X5

current maxes: 
squats: 255
deadlifts: 300
bench: 185
oh press: 125
goals for jan 1:
squats: 300
deadlifts: 350
bench: 210
oh pressL 145 

ORIGINAL: IBendBarbells

damnit man...  I checked my weight I am 201lbs...  So I actually went down in weight but I am stronger and my chest deltoids and back are way larger..  My waist line is smaller 31inches.. But man...  It's wierd because people say I am bigger...    I guess the scale truly is nothing but a number.   I have been doing alot of cardio though..   If I could get my waist down to 29 inches and be around 220lbs I would be very very happy..  Thats a future goal that I want to accomplish fairly soon... 

I am going through a tad bit of a depression right now with a struggle to make some more doe.. also my company in going down I see more lay offs coming and I think ill be one to be let go.. I made alot of mistakes during the change over at work after lay offs...    It's a hard time in my life right now.. I sent out a resume to some jobs I qualify for to make 10k more per year.. that would be nice..   I have to cross my fingers and hope I get an interview..  I am very stressed at work now.  

Man... Stuck at 200lbs and struggling to hold my job..  Thank god I am still only 23 years old..   Sometimes I feel like I am never going to be good enough,  it's pretty much what keeps me going.   One thing I can say is I have totally changed from living in the ghetto doing drugs pulling guns on people and struggling to survive on my own <-- I almost forgot about all of this.. Sometimes it's easy to forget our past..   Pretty much everyone told me I would never amount to anything..  I really have to do more though. 

I would say the only thing I have to really worry about right now is not this job thing but if there is a god would he forgive me for all the bad things I have done when I was younger.   




Okay I am done rambling now,  Time to go to bed.

 
i wouldnt worry as long as your getting stronger.. just remember 9/10 people would kill to be in the shape your in now... compared to the average joes i no,,, your a ****in beast.. 29 inche waist that would be unreal.

http://uk.youtube.com/user/franco18grant

deadlifts : 510 lbs
bench press :345 lbs
militery press : 235 lbs

bw: 204

ORIGINAL: edrice2

weight is just a number, youve been doing awesome...i dont know what else a 143 lber can tell you about weight haha, but itll come...im getting frustrated with my weight, since upping calories and carbs ive gained like a lb in a few weeks but like you said, look like im bigger than before, so weight is definitely odd.

the job thing is rough...but damn, youre right that youve come a long way with everything. it sounds like youve totally turned your life around, great job. as easy as it is to forget how far youve come, its equally as easy for me to take for granted that i didnt have to grow up in an environment where i had to do stuff like that to get by.

im only 20 and a sophomore in college, so im still foreign to the full time job for a living, but i know when i get out of college with a degree in psychology and philosophy that ill probably be in an equally as stressful situation, since what im majoring in isnt very applicablt without more schooling...maybe i am naive, but things seem to work out. i mean, maybe you wont get rich, but youll find a reliable job. if i was in ur situation i would be stressed like hell too, but life goes on. whatever youve done in the past is history, what u r doing in the present is what really matters, and youve changed everything for the better, youve been very helpful on here, good job again. stick with it and itll work out.

 
What he said.
 
I know how ya feel. I just quit a job I have been at for 6 years. I have been on a high (the feeling of 50 redbulls and a shot of crack) all week. The unemployment thing has not hit me yet, but it will.
 
Keep working on your goals and journaling them--I am going to need reading material since I am unemployed now-haha. 
 
Change is hard but it is good for us. You are gonna do great. You have done amazing things with your body and you don't live that lifestyle you once did anymore.
 
And the God thing, he does forgive.