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Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/2/2006 5:23:18 PM   
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Hi everyone,
I am new to the forum.  I have be lifting weights WITH A PURPOSE now for about 6 months.  This has all been supplement free, no protien, no creatine not nothing.

Before lifting
I weighed 154 pounds 21% BF

After 6 months of lifting
I weight 161 pounds and I am 5'11' 15% BF


I have seen minimal gains in apperance but have become stonger.

I work out 5 days a week.

My question is what is the best/fastest/safe way to get big.

I know nothing I mean nothing about diet and supplements, I do know how to correctly do the lifts, but I do not know how to put together a routine.

Any help you all could give to me would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you all
DA
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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/2/2006 5:59:08 PM   
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Eat 4500 calories a day (make sure you actually add up to see how much that really is), do squats and deadlifts.

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/2/2006 6:15:11 PM   
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Thanks!

How Often should I do the Squats and Deadlifts?

Is there a certain amount of protein, carbs etc I shoud be eating??

DA

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/2/2006 9:37:39 PM   
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Check this post...then post any questions in THIS thread!

http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/For_Gaining_Mass/m_111173/tm.htm

Answers how often to train and how much protein carbs etc....and much much more.

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/3/2006 2:43:21 PM   
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Definitely read that link, excellent info. It's a lot to learn about, the right things and right amounts to eat, etc- But you sound motivated as hell and willing to learn. Welcome to DB, do some reading, and ask whatever.

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/3/2006 2:53:23 PM   
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Thank you all for the help.
I am impressed with the site so far, friendly and informative.

DA

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/3/2006 3:16:50 PM   
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By the way..Nice job putting on 15 pounds of muscle!!!

All the while losing 8 pounds of fat!

THAT is how it is done!!!

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http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111173/mpage_1/tm.htm

Losing Fat
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111175/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/3/2006 6:12:03 PM   
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Thanks,
Now being that I am new to the world of lifting and nutrition I have  a question, is it normal with the gain I have made already to not feel like I am seeing a ton of difference?

I know I am stonger my:

          Starting             Now

Bench: 95lbs                 155lbs         (3 sets of 8-10 reps)

Squat: 115lbs               185lbs         (3 sets of 8-10 reps)

Ind. Curls: 20lbs             35lbs        (3 sets of 10-12 reps)

Vert. Dips: [2 sets 5 reps]   [3 sets of 12 reps]

Seated Flys: 30lbs          90lbs        (3 sers of 8-10 reps)

thats just a few lifts but you get the idea.

Again I truly appreciate all of your advice comments and feedback this is an awsome forum.

DA

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Starting Specs:
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 154
BF: 21%

6 Months Just Weights:
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 161
BF: 14

Short Term Goal:
Weight: 170
BF: under 16%

Ultimate Dream Goal:
Weight: 200lbs
BF: 8%

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/3/2006 6:25:44 PM   
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You mean you have not been gaining much muscle?

Strength is a neural adaptation.  Your muscles learn to recruit more fibers more efficiently = strength.

Muscle hypertrophy and strength are not the same.  I don't have to get stronger to get bigger and vice versa!!!  Lots of novices THINK that is the case.

There are lots of factors to maximizing muscle size...
Diet - you must have enough of the right calories at the right time to see continuous gain
Training - not overtraining, continual progressive intensity variation, short intense workouts 
Rest - enough rest for the body and enough rest between repeat muscle work.

Those are some...there are others.

If the above factors were not in line with optimal gains, then you would likely plateau in the size department while still seeing neural adaptation..so the body can cope with the workload.

If you took a week off and came back with the right diet and training you would probably be in for a growth spurt!

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Gaining Mass
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111173/mpage_1/tm.htm

Losing Fat
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111175/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/3/2006 6:36:05 PM   
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That makes sense.
I suppose that if your muscle do not recoupe properly they will not gain maximum results.

I will try to isolate diffrent muscle groups in individual work outs and then not work them for a week.  That should be enough time to have them recoupe from what I have read.

I was told that I need to mentally isolate muscles while lifting for better gains is this true??

Thanks
DA

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Starting Specs:
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 154
BF: 21%

6 Months Just Weights:
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 161
BF: 14

Short Term Goal:
Weight: 170
BF: under 16%

Ultimate Dream Goal:
Weight: 200lbs
BF: 8%

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/3/2006 9:36:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: el_noonan
I will try to isolate diffrent muscle groups in individual work outs and then not work them for a week.  That should be enough time to have them recoupe from what I have read.


4-7 days between depending on the volume of sets you use per body part.

quote:

I was told that I need to mentally isolate muscles while lifting for better gains is this true??


What do you mean by "mentally isolate muscles"??

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My journal:
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_158705/mpage_2/tm.htm

Primers:
Gaining Mass
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111173/mpage_1/tm.htm

Losing Fat
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111175/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/4/2006 5:29:36 PM   
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Mentally isolate muscles
what I mean is that I need to concentrate on making sure that the correct muscles are being used to perform a lift. (not using your shoulders on a tricept push down)

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Starting Specs:
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 154
BF: 21%

6 Months Just Weights:
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 161
BF: 14

Short Term Goal:
Weight: 170
BF: under 16%

Ultimate Dream Goal:
Weight: 200lbs
BF: 8%

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RE: Best Way to Bulk Up - 3/4/2006 8:44:08 PM   
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Ahh, yes optimal form is VERY important!

Tighten your stomach..pulling your belly button toward your spine.
Roll your shoulders back and down
Tuck your head, don't let it ride forward
Feet pointing straight forward
Knees in line with the pointy part of the shoe, not in or out
Hips neutral..not rounded or arched spine.

That is the basic position.

Here are descriptors for all the movements:
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

There is one more thing...FEELING the movement with your mind..you see, muscle stimulation is done by the nervous system...and the mind is in control!

Cheers!!!


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My journal:
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_158705/mpage_2/tm.htm

Primers:
Gaining Mass
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111173/mpage_1/tm.htm

Losing Fat
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111175/mpage_1/tm.htm

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