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Begining Supplements - Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:00 PM
I was wondering what type of supplements I should take?  I have been told that whey protein is a must.  Also, fish oil has been recommended.  Should I take both or are there better things to take? 
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RE: Begining Supplements - Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:25 PM
I would start with Whey post workout and a multivitamin everyday.
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RE: Begining Supplements - Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:27 PM
Alright, so before a work out whey.  When is the best time for a multivitamin? 
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RE: Begining Supplements - Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:42 PM
take whey after you are done lifting or before and after. multi in the morning.  you would be fine taking fish oil if you want.
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RE: Begining Supplements - Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:54 PM

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I was wondering what type of supplements I should take?  I have been told that whey protein is a must.  Also, fish oil has been recommended.  Should I take both or are there better things to take? 


I would suggest to start with whey protein(something that tastes good in milk), fish oil and possibly creatine after some time.

Using whey protein in non-fat milk postworkout will be superior to just using whey in water in the area of lean body mass gains.
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RE: Begining Supplements - Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Beginner_Lifter

I was wondering what type of supplements I should take?  I have been told that whey protein is a must.  Also, fish oil has been recommended.  Should I take both or are there better things to take? 


I would suggest to start with whey protein(something that tastes good in milk), fish oil and possibly creatine after some time.

Using whey protein in non-fat milk postworkout will be superior to just using whey in water in the area of lean body mass gains.

 
unless you were looking for quicker digestion PWO, then you would just want to use water.
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RE: Begining Supplements - Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Beginner_Lifter

I was wondering what type of supplements I should take?  I have been told that whey protein is a must.  Also, fish oil has been recommended.  Should I take both or are there better things to take? 


I would suggest to start with whey protein(something that tastes good in milk), fish oil and possibly creatine after some time.

Using whey protein in non-fat milk postworkout will be superior to just using whey in water in the area of lean body mass gains.


unless you were looking for quicker digestion PWO, then you would just want to use water.


quicker digestion does not produce better gains in a post workout setting. I have a study that supports whey+casein(milk 80%) is better than just whey, I can post it if you would like. If one is concerned with quick absorbtion then  I would go with free from EAA's, since NEAA' are not needed for protein synthesis.


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RE: Begining Supplements - Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:12 PM
I would stick to whey for the first few months as well as multi vitamin everyday. Take creatine after 3 months, they will help you in gaining more weight and help a lot with noob gains.
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RE: Begining Supplements - Friday, June 06, 2008 8:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: RedJeep


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ORIGINAL: Beginner_Lifter

I was wondering what type of supplements I should take?  I have been told that whey protein is a must.  Also, fish oil has been recommended.  Should I take both or are there better things to take? 


I would suggest to start with whey protein(something that tastes good in milk), fish oil and possibly creatine after some time.

Using whey protein in non-fat milk postworkout will be superior to just using whey in water in the area of lean body mass gains.


unless you were looking for quicker digestion PWO, then you would just want to use water.


quicker digestion does not produce better gains in a post workout setting. I have a study that supports whey+casein(milk 80%) is better than just whey, I can post it if you would like. If one is concerned with quick absorbtion then  I would go with free from EAA's, since NEAA' are not needed for protein synthesis.

 
I would love to see that.
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RE: Begining Supplements - Friday, June 06, 2008 11:45 AM
Here is the abstract



Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, 2006, 20(3), 643–653
 2006 National Strength & Conditioning Association

THE EFFECTS OF PROTEIN AND AMINO ACID SUPPLEMENTATION ON PERFORMANCE AND TRAINING
ADAPTATIONS DURING TEN WEEKS OF RESISTANCE
TRAINING


CHAD M. KERKSICK,1 CHRISTOPHER J. RASMUSSEN,1 STACY L. LANCASTER,1 BHARAT MAGU,1
PENNEY SMITH,1 CHARLES MELTON,1 MICHAEL GREENWOOD,1 ANTHONY L. ALMADA,2
CONRAD P. EARNEST,3 AND RICHARD B. KREIDER1

1Center for Exercise, Nutrition and Preventive Health Research, Department of Health, Human Performance and
Recreation, Baylor University, Waco, Texas 76798; 2IMAGINutrition, Inc., Laguna Niguel, California 92677; 3The
Cooper Institute for Aerobics Research, Division of Epidemiology & Clinical Applications, Dallas, Texas 75230.

ABSTRACT. Kerksick, C.M., C.J. Rasmussen, S.L. Lancaster, B.
Magu, P. Smith, C. Melton, M. Greenwood, A.L. Almada, C.P.
Earnest, and R.B. Kreider.

The effects of protein and amino acid supplementation on performance and training adaptations during ten weeks of resistance training.

J. Strength Cond. Res. 20(3):643–653. 2006.—The purpose of this study was to examine the effects of whey protein supplementation on body composition, muscular strength, muscular endurance, and anaerobic capacity during 10 weeks of resistance training. Thirty-six resistance-trained males (31.0  8.0 years, 179.1  8.0 cm, 84.0 12.9 kg, 17.8  6.6%) followed a 4 days-per-week split body part resistance training program for 10 weeks. Three groups of supplements were randomly assigned, prior to the beginning of the exercise program, in a double-blind manner to all subjects: 48 g per day (g·d1) carbohydrate placebo (P), 40 g·d1 of whey protein 8 g·d1 of casein (WC), or 40 g·d1 of whey protein  3 g·d1 branched-chain amino acids  5 g·d1 L-glutamine (WBG). At 0, 5, and 10 weeks, subjects were tested for fasting blood samples, body mass, body composition using dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry (DEXA), 1 repetition maximum (1RM) bench and leg press, 80% 1RM maximal repetitions to fatigue for bench press and leg press, and 30-second Wingate anaerobic capacity tests. No changes ( p  0.05) were noted in all groups for energy intake, training volume, blood parameters, and anaerobic capacity. WC experienced the greatest increases in DEXA lean mass(P  0.0  0.9; WC  1.9  0.6; WBG  0.1  0.3 kg, p  0.05) and DEXA fat-free mass (P  0.1  1.0; WC  1.8  0.6; WBG  0.1  0.2 kg, p  0.05). Significant increases in 1RM bench press and leg press were observed in all groups after 10 weeks. In this study, the combination of whey and casein protein promoted the greatest increases in fat-free mass after 10 weeks of heavy resistance training. Athletes, coaches, and nutritionists can use these findings to increase fat-free mass and to improve body composition during resistance training.


I will try to upload the full study later, I need to change the format to word since it's a adobe(pdf) file and it can't upload these files.
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RE: Begining Supplements - Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:43 AM
Anything protein.
 
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RE: Begining Supplements - Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:21 PM
What is the minimium age to start taking supplements? 
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RE: Begining Supplements - Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:26 PM

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What is the minimium age to start taking supplements? 

 
how old are you? It depends on the supplements you are thinking about taking.
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RE: Begining Supplements - Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:28 PM

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Alright, so before a work out whey.  When is the best time for a multivitamin? 

 
you want to drink the whey about 3 times a day
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RE: Begining Supplements - Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Beginner_Lifter

I was wondering what type of supplements I should take?  I have been told that whey protein is a must.  Also, fish oil has been recommended.  Should I take both or are there better things to take? 


I would suggest to start with whey protein(something that tastes good in milk), fish oil and possibly creatine after some time.

Using whey protein in non-fat milk postworkout will be superior to just using whey in water in the area of lean body mass gains.


unless you were looking for quicker digestion PWO, then you would just want to use water.


quicker digestion does not produce better gains in a post workout setting. I have a study that supports whey+casein(milk 80%) is better than just whey, I can post it if you would like. If one is concerned with quick absorbtion then  I would go with free from EAA's, since NEAA' are not needed for protein synthesis.

 
well....uh.....yeah.
 
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