BULKING! which workout program should i do?

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BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Monday, July 06, 2009 9:35 PM ( #1 )
today is my first day and first time of REAL bulking. my split right now is a 3day split. i did rippetoes for 4 months(march-june 09) while i was on a cut. i was planning to do 5x5 after rippetoes but i couldnt due to gym class for summer(school gym has no barbell!). gym class will be over in 2 weeks. now my question is which workout program should i do? should i start over with rippetoes again or move on to 5x5? or should i continue with my current split?just to let you know i didnt really gain any serious strength or size on rippetoes because i was on a CUT.
this is my current routine(started july 09):

Day1 LEGS and SHOULDERS
squats - 3x8
sldl - 3x8
leg press - 3x8
military press - 3x8
side laterals - 3x8

Day2 BACK and BICEPS
pullups - 3xfailure
deadlift - 3x8
bb row - 3x8
bb curl - 2x8
hammer curls - 2x8

Day3 CHEST and TRICEPS
incline db press - 3x8
bb flat press - 3x8
db flyes - 3x8
skullcrushers - 2x8
triceps press - 2x8
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Re:BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Monday, July 06, 2009 10:23 PM ( #2 )
Looks good. What is a triceps press? Is that like a triceps extension?

5 X 5 can be done with any routine. Not just Rippetoes or compound movement training.

If you're serious about size and strength and open to different routines, your routine looks good, but most of my mass came with push / pull / legs.
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Re:BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:50 AM ( #3 )

Like MVP said, I would suggest trying a push/pull/legs routine.

You could consider this for the next 8-12 weeks:
DAY A: PUSH
Flat BB Bench: 5x5
Standing OH BB press: 5x5
Incline BB Bench: 3x5
Skull crushers: 4x8-12

DAY B: PULL
Pullups 4x
Bent over BB Rows: 5x5
Lateral pulldown: 5x5
Barbell curl: 4x

DAY C: LEGS & OTHER ACCESSORY LIFTS
Squats: 5x5
Deadlifts: 3x5
Close grip bench: 4x
Preacher curls: 3x
Calves / abs exercises

Increase the weights (5-10 lbs) for the compound movements each training session. Only train with the isolations if you still have the energy.

If you stall on certain movements before 8-12 weeks, let's say standing OH BB press, you could always switch to seated DB press for 3-4 weeks before going back to standing OH press again.


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Re:BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:49 AM ( #4 )
thanks. oh yea i think i should post my lifts here too.after posting my numbers on a different forum they told me to go back to rippetoes. kind of embarassed to post my lifts but ill post it anyways. just to let you know i was stronger than this before but i was chunky during that time thats why i cut for so long because i was afraid to bulk up. well here we go:

height: 5' 3
weight:110lbs

5rm max
squats: 105-110lbs
deadlift: 155lbs
bench: 100lbs
standing military: 75lbs
pendlay rows: 95-100lbs

so you think im ok to do that workout that trubeginner gave me?
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Re:BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:52 AM ( #5 )
IMO a 5x5 is a great strength builder, but not as good at gaining mass.  I am a firm believer in the PUMP for increasing muscle cell size, and the pump comes with volume.  Reps in the 8-12 range for 3-5 sets per exercise.  Have you ever tried using 21's for bi's and tri's exercises, the pump is incredible.



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Re:BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:52 PM ( #6 )
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IMO a 5x5 is a great strength builder, but not as good at gaining mass.  I am a firm believer in the PUMP for increasing muscle cell size, and the pump comes with volume.  Reps in the 8-12 range for 3-5 sets per exercise.  Have you ever tried using 21's for bi's and tri's exercises, the pump is incredible.


Really?

5x5 can be an excellent mass builder. Hypertrophy is a result of diet, not the training that u expose ur body to, that whole 8-12 reps for mass and 3-5 reps for strength is a huge myth. the pump is not whats going to make ur arms grow. a solid routine and excess calories are going to cause hypertrophy

5x5 can easily be used to cause hypertrophy gains. easily my biggest mass gains have come from 5x5 based programs. im not a fan of 21's or anything of that nature. everybody in my college gym does stuff like that believing that this is the only way of getting big arms
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Re:BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:18 PM ( #7 )
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Really?

5x5 can be an excellent mass builder. Hypertrophy is a result of diet, not the training that u expose ur body to, that whole 8-12 reps for mass and 3-5 reps for strength is a huge myth. the pump is not whats going to make ur arms grow. a solid routine and excess calories are going to cause hypertrophy

5x5 can easily be used to cause hypertrophy gains. easily my biggest mass gains have come from 5x5 based programs. im not a fan of 21's or anything of that nature. everybody in my college gym does stuff like that believing that this is the only way of getting big arms


I couldn't agree more.

Rep range doesn't determine hypertrophy, calories do. If 10 reps meant size there wouldn't be a reason to add weight to the bar. 10 reps didn't make bodybuilders look the way they do, 10 reps with over 300 pounds did.
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Re:BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:11 PM ( #8 )
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thanks. oh yea i think i should post my lifts here too.after posting my numbers on a different forum they told me to go back to rippetoes. kind of embarassed to post my lifts but ill post it anyways. just to let you know i was stronger than this before but i was chunky during that time thats why i cut for so long because i was afraid to bulk up. well here we go:

height: 5' 3
weight:110lbs

5rm max
squats: 105-110lbs
deadlift: 155lbs
bench: 100lbs
standing military: 75lbs
pendlay rows: 95-100lbs

so you think im ok to do that workout that trubeginner gave me?

I think you should give the routine a shot. Just make sure you are eating enough to grow, and the routine should do you good.
 
I would say most of my gains came from that set up.
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Re:BULKING! which workout program should i do? - Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:40 PM ( #9 )
I stand by my post, but do accept the fact that different people get results from different programs depending on their muscle fibe ratios.  If the 5x5 works for you then great.  The other is an option if it doesn't.




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