Hello everyone, my first post here and I wanted to share my experience with the BSN mass stack and also had a couple of questions.
Not everyone will have the time/enrgy to read thru this long post, so here's the short version first.
 
Short Version

The mass stack works great. Muscles are definitely fuller and tighter, Recovery has improved too. But I am having problems with my sex drive and sleeping at night. Can anyone suggest an alternative ?
 
Long version
I am male 32. I have been on and off training for the last 6 years, mostly due to work constraints. I started working out again after a 6 months gap in December last year. I had tried NO-explode before, worked great, except for the occasional sleeplessness, so I decided to try the mass stack after reading the glowing reviews here.
 
I started off first with just the Nitrix, reasoning that once I had the transport system jacked up, it would be more efficient to start on the creatine supplement after that. After a week, I could sense the nitrix was working. My libido has been high, but now it was better. Erections were definitely fuller and harder.
 
So, I started off on cellmass, and within one week I noticed a drop in sex drive- it almost went down to zero. I had to jerk off just to convince myself that I still could :). So, I thought of adding the BSN axis-Ht in the mix. That improved matters a bit, but not to like before.
 
Its been a month now on the stack, and I am about to finish off my first tub of cellmass. The results have been great otherwise- really good increase on muscle density and firmness- cardio has improved too.
 
However last night was an eye-opener of sorts. Axis-HT is recommended with a meal, but I had forgotten to take it with dinner, so I had it later before going to bed. And then I could feel my heart rate pumping up, also I could feel the blood pulsing thru my veins (with nitrix use I had felt this before, but not with this intensity). I was feeling rather uncomfortable- tried sleeping but couldnt sleep at all last night. Its now 7 here in the morning in California- so I thought I would type this out and ask for help from the forum.
 
1. Is there an alternate creatine product that I could try out, which would not cause a drop in libido and sleep. Creatine monohydrate I guess is an option, what about Krea-alkine (I dont think I got the name right there, but U get the idea)
 
2. What is the major cause of sleeplessness- is it the nitrix, cellmass or the axis? I dont really sleep good nowadays. I hardly drink coffee or tea, and have been off cigarettes and soda for the last 2 months. So I am more susceptibnle to stimulants.  
 
3. I am thinking of stopping the creatine, and just continying with the nitrix and the axis. Once thats done, go back to just one creatine product and no-explode. What do you think of that ?
 
4. I thought I was following BSN's instructions here, but just wanted to run this thru you guys-
7:30 AM wake and immediately have nitrix (3) and cellmass (1)
8:15 AM breakfast and axi HT (2)
11:30 AM nitrix (3)
12:15 PM lunch and axis (2)
6:30 PM come back from work, have no-explode head straight to gym
7:30 PM While in gym have cellmass (1)  and nitrix (3) because of sleeplesness if I have it later. Complete workout
9:30 PM dinner with axis-ht (2)          
 
 
That was a really long post. Thanks for going through it all.
 
artinaz

The NO-Xplode will contribute to your sleep problems, given the enormous dose of stimulants BSN puts in it. If all you want is muscle volumization and the vasodilatory effect, I'd drop the NO-Xplode and go with CellMass and Nitrix.

Creatine is not indicated in either sleep disorders or libido problems, so I wouldn't recommend dropping the creatine. Axis appears to be more of an aromatase inhibitor than anything else (I'd guess that anything that suppresses estrogen production would benifit, not hurt your libido).

The biggest culprit here is the stimulants and the NO vasodilatory combination that you are getting from taking both NO-Xplode and Nitrix. These two supps are redundant when taken together, and you might run the risk of overdoing the arginine dose by combining them -hence the racing heartbeat and vascular problems. Incidentally, erectile dysfunction meds like sildenafil are based on the same vasodilatory science, hence the connection to libido issues. More at Boybuilding.com, and Here's all the ugly med-speak about arginine.

Drop the NO-X and you should be fine.

I'm not a doctor, but I play one on DBB.com, HA HA HA! Seriously -consult with your med proffessional if you start having problems with your best friend. An all-day pump is not worth giving up a good night's sleep, or your tent-pitching skills (if you catch my drift, LOL)

good answer...but the problems with my sex drive are because of the cellmass??? or nitrix...or the combination of nitrix and no-xp.ode...im too young to have problems with my sex drive

I dont think that any of those should effect that at all, I could maybe see the arginine(unlikely) causing this but make sure its not just in your head.

Arginine is implicated in SOME -NOT ALL libido malfunctions (if I could make that blink, I would).

My assertion is that the NO-Xplode is causing your sleep problems because of the stimulants in it, and the combination of NO-X and Nitrix (which both contain AAKG) may contribute to the blood issues. Too much vasodilatory effects.

No problems with the cellmass (creatine).

I do take the no-explode as early as possible, so its about 4-5 hours before I go to bed. But I will try getting off the NO-explode for a while and see as u suggest.
 
Thanks for all the replies so far. And veggeep, 3.18% BF ! wow. Keep it up.

And veggeep, 3.18% BF ! wow. Keep it up.

Thanks for the compliment

Would that I could trust that figure (I'm tearing my hair out trying to find a reliable formula using skinfold measurements) -I'm actually probably closer to 6 or 7%.

just wondering why are you taking cellmass in the morning?
maybe i missed something but it is a post workout suppliment, right?
if you dont need to take it you should drop it
just my 2 cents, veggeep is wright on the rest

hello

i believe it was in one of dans post where he mentions that over training causes a lack of sex drive. Im not too sure if this is the case here, but its something to consider

Overtraining is more likely your problem..that seems 1000x more probable.

i like weed

3 hours a day is to much even if your not working hard for all 3 hours its still way to much.