BF Estimate

Wish I had a better camera as I swear i look better than the pics but whatever. Found out im actually 5'8 when at physical (i thought 5'9 w/e) and my scale was a little off so im in the high 160s in these pics.
 
First pic is relaxed as is fourth

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here are the rest. I recently turned 17

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I would guess between 11-12.

You have a great shoulder to waist ratio going on.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

Thanks. I'm pretty excited how well my keto-ish diet is working and its only been 5 weeks. The loss of strength was pretty harsh but its slowly coming back and I think part of the problem is that I have been lowering my calories too much. I'm thinking next time i max out im going to hit 1.5x my weight which is normally good enough to get to states here in florida. Just have to work on my clean and i should be good to go.

anyone else agree/disagree?

Thanks.

I'd say like 10 - 12.

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Thanks. If thats the general consensus then im definently happy. Means i will be back to bulking just in time for school.

IMO if getting "jacked" is your goal, I think you should spend about 2 years bulking before even considering trying to cut again.

"True genius, in many fields of human endeavor, is often revealed in elegant simplicity."

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Well most of my training has been to purposely not gain muscle; i could care less about aesthetics really. Just last year I didn't do as well on the weightlifting team as I did the year before because I was too heavy (probably around 18% bodyfat). Decided it would be best to cut early on this time however i didn't realise how well this keto works so now im just going to try to get rid of a little bit more fat than have as slow of a bulk as possible to try to eliminate as much fat gain as possible.

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I would say 4-28.





















i'd say 10-11.

Goals by end of 2009:
Bench 205
Squat 255 ATG
Squat Clean 185

"There is no elevator to success, you must take the stairs."

lol... quoted for truth :P

rippedchick


WHY ARE YOU ON A DIET

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

maybe he doesnt wanna be a fatass.  Its so ugly pointless and inefficient to bulk anywhere past 12%

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

RollingStone


maybe he doesnt wanna be a fatass.  Its so ugly pointless and inefficient to bulk anywhere past 12%

RS,
   Then I should be cutting, iyo?

JMBS

RollingStone


maybe he doesnt wanna be a fatass.  Its so ugly pointless and inefficient to bulk anywhere past 12%

RS,
   Then I should be cutting, iyo?

yes.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

its all a matter of opinion and how much fat you can tolerate without you caring about it.

You want to bulk as cleanly as possible, but to say anything past 12% is just an opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt.

I personally think people should bulk up a significant amount before cutting, if you cut and dont have much muscle to show for it, then whats the point? unless that is the look your going for...but after all I would wager nearly everyone on this site is aiming to put on a good amount of muscle though.

I want to cut down and reach a bodyfat level of about what you have one day, maybe not as low but def around 8-10%. But whats the point of cutting down that low if I havent the muscle to show for it?

Bulking up as cleanly as possible is a great route to take but its going to take awhile. I would rather take am extra year or so and put on the muscle stay around 13-15% bf to get the amount I want and finally cut to a desired weight and %. But thats just me.

I will admit though even if im bulking I do want to stay in as best shape as possible (athletically), which is why I still do a good amount of cardio while bulking up.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

Youre right it is a matter of opinion.  And in my opinion, its better to be ripped and kind of big than huge and soft.  A bulk goes better too when youre real lean.  Easier to see progress and the ratio of muscle to fat that you put on will be better.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

RollingStone

JMBS

RollingStone


maybe he doesnt wanna be a fatass.  Its so ugly pointless and inefficient to bulk anywhere past 12%

RS,
  Then I should be cutting, iyo?

yes.

Interesting.  So you bulk to 15% and cut to 5%?  How long does a bulk take you?  How long does a cut take you?  You think bulking to too high a bf, other than being unattractive, is less efficient?  I certainly think your way is probably healthier.  I'm intrigued.  Want more info.  In a nutshell how do you cut (diet, cardio, weights)?  Thx!

Im sure ill feel the same way when I get to my goal of 220 at 8-10%

It'll be awhile though, I still need a lot more training under my belt.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

rippedchick


WHY ARE YOU ON A DIET

Because I hate bulking to a certain point. I was at one point 195 pounds at 5'8. Lets just say im 12% bf right now at 167; that would mean 147 pounds of lbm. That means at 195 i was about 25% bf (probably a little less b/c i cut too hard to begin with and im sure i lost some muscle). I think that kind of a bulk is a little extreme at least for me and it screwed me over last high school weightlifting season because i started to cut too late and couldn't get it off in time. I'd prefer to cut back down and slowly bulk and if i see im gaining fat that i can't lose in time than i can fix as needed.

decided to try to get some more pictures after a nice big dinner. I swear I eat more physical food than ever on this diet and still lose weight; its quite cool. Don't kill me for the back pictures it is quite hard when im trying to take pictures in the mirror and i suck at posing.

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JMBS

RollingStone

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RollingStone


maybe he doesnt wanna be a fatass.  Its so ugly pointless and inefficient to bulk anywhere past 12%

RS,
  Then I should be cutting, iyo?

yes.

Interesting.  So you bulk to 15% and cut to 5%?  How long does a bulk take you?  How long does a cut take you?  You think bulking to too high a bf, other than being unattractive, is less efficient?  I certainly think your way is probably healthier.  I'm intrigued.  Want more info.  In a nutshell how do you cut (diet, cardio, weights)?  Thx!

I think this way because in my head the goal is to be ripped all the time and slowly add whatever you can at a small pace.  So if that isnt what you want, I wouldnt even listen to the rest.

Its less efficient because when you are lean, your body is better at using what it gets to build muscle and not as much to put on fat.  Hormones.

And it also saves the time of the heavy bulker, who finally goes on a cut, a heavy cut, because they want to get off all the fat, of having to work so much just to get back down to a lower body fat when that time couldve been spent slowly progressing forward. 

All that while you stay lean the entire time.

IMO, it just makes more sense.

But sometimes its hard for beginners to grasp all the knowledge it takes to be able do stay lean and gain, and its better to just tell them to "bulk".

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

I agree, too many people say "bulk" and I've even heard countless people recommending dirty bulks and to ignore bodyfat%. Like everyone wants to be some fat ass strong dude.

The key to a clean and healthy bulk is clean foods.

ACE-CPT, NASM-CPT, AFPA-Nutrition Consultant 

I agree bulk leanly, but for some people staying under 12% and gaining a signifigant amount of muscle just isn't a possibility. I'd raise the bar to about 15%, I think that's a number everyone can easily stick to whatever body type, and when it comes to cutting it still won't be a massive cut.

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_Virtuoso_


I agree bulk leanly, but for some people staying under 12% and gaining a signifigant amount of muscle just isn't a possibility. I'd raise the bar to about 15%, I think that's a number everyone can easily stick to whatever body type, and when it comes to cutting it still won't be a massive cut.

Thats only because people dont get their diet all the way in line and wanna half ass it.  Youre not going to get real lean no matter what not eating real good and paying careful attention to nutrition.  If they plan on getting that lean later on after a big bulk, theyre still gonna have to go hard on diet.  And if you dont wanna do it now, youre not gonna wanna do it then, and its not gonna be something you can maintain.  Go ahead and justify eating fast food because youre bulking but youre creating a habit right there and its not something that somebody who wants a lean physique can do. Youll inevitable stop dieting because its not what your used to and go back to being heavier.  Its just better to eat and train progressively for what you want than to jump up and down with different goals and changing diets and habits.  Thats why like I said earlier, thats gotta be the goal if you want a lean physique-to be lean.  If your goal is to kind of eat how you want and gain muscle, then yeah bulk to 15%.  Its how important is it to you and what are your goals.

Cutting from 15% is a massive cut, not something I would ever want to go through.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

Well it's not ideal to bulk 10lbs extremely slowly, and on several occasions. If someone who's typically endomorphic wants to bulk for 35lbs of muscle let's say, then even eating cleanly they will be putting on a fair bit of fat. Like you said it depends on goals, but if long-term goal is all you care about and you aren't bothered about getting a summer beach body, then bulking to 15% and cutting down is better imo than wasting time trying to stay under 12% when your body just doesn't want to.

V,
    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

Wow, tons of info guys!  Thanks!  I can definately see both sides of the argument.  RS, I really like your training philosophy about "slow and steady" versus "up and down".  Seems a ton healthier, more sane psychologically, and more attractive.  Do you consider yourself an ecto?  If you guys have the time, could you look at the pics I just put in my journal and give me a bf%?  I think I may be pushing 15% or more now (waist is 35 or 36 I think).  I've got about a month left of HST and will probably revisit strategies after that.  I am coming to the conclusion that competing next season may not be in my best interest.  I could do it to get my feet wet, but seems like time committed to posing practice and deep dieting/cutting that could be better directed toward building a better body for the following year.  Sorry for rambling.  Thx again!

_Virtuoso_


Well it's not ideal to bulk 10lbs extremely slowly, and on several occasions. If someone who's typically endomorphic wants to bulk for 35lbs of muscle let's say, then even eating cleanly they will be putting on a fair bit of fat. Like you said it depends on goals, but if long-term goal is all you care about and you aren't bothered about getting a summer beach body, then bulking to 15% and cutting down is better imo than wasting time trying to stay under 12% when your body just doesn't want to.

I do seem to have good genetics for staying lean but theres no way that its that hard for anyone to stay under 12%.  I can stay under 6% without counting calories at all and just paying attention.  Im sure anyone who really cares can stay below 12%  **** 12 isnt even cut thats like chunky...

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

RollingStone

 I do seem to have good genetics for staying lean but theres no way that its that hard for anyone to stay under 12%.  I can stay under 6% without counting calories at all and just paying attention.  Im sure anyone who really cares can stay below 12%  **** 12 isnt even cut thats like chunky...

I'm pretty sure everyone hates you right now haha :P

RS,
   I'll bet all the mesos out there want to kill you right now!  ;)
I've gained about 15 lb in 3 months.  That's a pretty good rate, right?  My bf% doesn't seem to have taken off, so a good portion of that is muscle hopefully.  Your "chunky" is another man's "fit".  I know if I start to see the spare tire and pooch get much bigger I'm going to not be able to take it and will either slow the bulk down and try to get stronger, or will go into a cut.  I don't think I'm willing to look my version of "chunky" to continue putting on mass.  RS, you're on a cut or bulk now?